Help with the CLAW!!??

Hey guys so i have the claw going on with a couple of my plants. I cant post pictures right now but ill try to get some up later tonight.
Here are my conditions of grow:
600W HPS
MG soil
FF Nutes- GB,BB,TB and the three solubles
PH Nuted water to about 6.5 give or take .2
Not sure of the soil PH as i dont have one.
I water about every 3-4 days only Nuteing every other watering

Wait here are some pics ( i walked my lazy ass upstairs to get my camera)



So Ive been vegging since 12-20-10. Waiting to trigger flowering for about another month or so until my others are ready. I started two batches at different times.And i only have one room and one set of lights to flower under.

The single one has the claw towards the tops of the plant. the "bushy"one is actually two plants in one pot. it has a bit of under curl and washboard effect on the leaves. I was over watering and thought i have got that under control as i let the dirt dry out about 2 inch into the soil before i re-water or feed.Ive been giving it Big Bloom and Grow big everyother watering with a small dose of open sesame every other feeding.

Any help would help. Im also useing tap water.

so...........let the critiquing begin

your over watering brah. you need to let the soil dry out before you give any more water. not just the top part of the soil either. obviously you dont want to wait till your plants are drooping, but you do want to wait until the pots feel very light when you lift them . roots not only need water but they also need oxygen.

speaking of roots needing water and oxygen, not sure if you can see in the pics but the plants are in a five gallon bucket sitting in another five gallon bucket. the top bucket i drilled about ten 1/4 inch holes in the bottom so they will drain any stagnant water at the bottom. not sure if its a good or bad issue but the roots have grown thru the holes into the bottom bucket. its a pretty massive root cluster that now lays in the bottom bucket that will catch some extra water.
question is should i leave the roots sit in the water or keep it dry. seems like if i keep it dry the roots will dry up and die??
here is a picture of what im talking about.

(and yes im a beginner, this will be my fourth harvest) This system worked great last time.

Also do you think the leaves that are clawed up will ever go back to normal.
the picture of the root i showed was in some stagnent water. hence the green color. im sure that isnt good.
the double i have int he other pics the water was clear and the roots are white.
im sure the green roots is some form of root rot??

i usually give them a quart of water every three days. does that sound like to much?

gottiesjewishson said:

Also do you think the leaves that are clawed up will ever go back to normal.
the picture of the root i showed was in some stagnent water. hence the green color. im sure that isnt good.
the double i have int he other pics the water was clear and the roots are white.
im sure the green roots is some form of root rot??

i usually give them a quart of water every three days. does that sound like to much?

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you know what, i would just discontinue your double bucket system, trim your roots and just use a drip tray for your 5 gal buckets. if you always have your roots in stagnant water than your soil will never get to dry out, period. and watering them a quart every three days isnt the right way to do it. what you should be doing is waiting until they get very dry and the soil separates from the the edge of the pot and it feels very light when being lifted then completely soak them with a couple of gallons since your in a 5 gal pale, your gonna want to water them enough so that you have over flow coming out the bottom, then your gonna wait for them to completely dry out again. DO NOT try to keep your soil moist at all times, thats not the right way to grow cannabis plants. im not sure if your ramhorn/claw leaves will go back to normal when you fix things (i've never let this happen to my plants before) but im assuming they will. when your growing in big 5 gal buckets your top 2 inches of dirt can be totally dry but that doesnt mean the plant needs water, the only way you'll be able to tell is by lifting the pots or by using a moisture meter. it would be a really good idea to get a moisture and use it in your buckets, when your meter says your soil is dry then you'll know how light your buckets should be when its time to water.

Clawed leaves usually tell me something is up with ph. Whee is the last time you flushed?

Your clawed leaves are tell me thats its a watering issue. follow my advice and your plants will perk back up.

I agree with you just ran into the same problem so i am just letting mine sit until they get all the dry!!

IMHO you have salt build up and excess N coupled with a sensitive strain. This is commonly seen in haze hybrids and many contravenes but can be seen in about any strain.

No the leaves will never revert to looking normal. If properly flushed and fed at the correct EC new growth will be normal. You will still be able to harvest a great quality stash, but, yield will certainly be affected.

All that said, clawing can be seen due to a number of things, even too low EC, go figure. LD

Thanks Willy.
Going to trim the the roots back to being flush with bottom of the bucket. and start using a tray. Makes perfect sense as far as the soil will never dry if roots are soaking in stagnant water.

As far as flushing I haven't done any yet. They have been vegging for about 2.5 months now. What do ya think time to flush or just let er dry up?
I will start getting a bit more aggressive with how much water i give them and how long i let it go in between watering. Ill get a bit more keen on the weights of the buckets dry vs. wet.

gottiesjewishson said:

Thanks Willy.
Going to trim the the roots back to being flush with bottom of the bucket. and start using a tray. Makes perfect sense as far as the soil will never dry if roots are soaking in stagnant water.

As far as flushing I haven't done any yet. They have been vegging for about 2.5 months now. What do ya think time to flush or just let er dry up?
I will start getting a bit more aggressive with how much water i give them and how long i let it go in between watering. Ill get a bit more keen on the weights of the buckets dry vs. wet.

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PERFECT! sounds like your on the right track to success! I would let your plants dry up first and then give them a good flush. you can blow a fan directly on your girls to help them dry out faster. some people pretty much flush their plants every time they give plain water, there's a guy on here who calls it his "make it rain" technique, lol i just call it watering my plants because thats how ive always watered mine. you CANT give your plants too much water at a time, if theres too much water it just goes out the drain holes but when you water too frequently thats "over watering". good luck