How did employees at an illegal marijuana dispensary unionize ...

gb123

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Criminals can unionize — or at least they can if they’re running an illegal marijuana dispensary.

Forty employees at a Canna Clinic medical marijuana dispensary in Toronto have joined Unifor, Canada’s largest private sector union. Employees at the Broadview Avenue location were mostly concerned with safety and staff training, according to Katha Fortier, Unifor’s Assistant to the National President.

Fortier believes it’s the first time that employees from a marijuana dispensary have unionized in Canada.

Selling marijuana from a storefront remains illegal in Canada. The federal government introduced legislation this spring to legalize the drug by July 2018. But until then, the only legal way to obtain medical marijuana is through the mail from producers licensed by Health Canada.

“In spite of efforts by the marijuana dispensary people to get people to believe that there is a grey area in the law, there is no grey area,” said Mark Pugash, the director of corporate communications for the Toronto Police. “Unless you are licensed by the federal government to sell marijuana, you are breaking the law.”

So how did employees of an illegal dispensary join a union? Easy: they satisfied all the requirements for certifying a union listed in the Ontario Labour Relations Act. Running a entirely legal business is not one of them.

“Canna Clinic holds itself out as a national legitimate business, presumably pays taxes like other businesses, and it hires employees,” David Doorey, a labour law professor at York University, wrote in an email. “Like all employers, it is expected to comply with employment laws, including the Labour Relations Act which permits employees to unionize.”

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Even if employees work for a business engaging in illegal activities, they don’t stop being employees, he said.

“They just become employees of a law-breaking employer. Sadly, we have more than a few of those in Canada,” he wrote.

Trade unions must apply for certification from the Ontario Labour Relations Board, an independent tribunal that issues decisions about labour issues. If a group of employees meet the requirements of the Labour Relations Act to join a union — two major ones being that people in the proposed bargaining units are “employees” and that the request came from “trade union” as defined by the act — then the Board will certify the trade union to represent those employees.

Law enforcement and labour relations are totally separate areas in government, Ministry of Labour spokesperson Janet Deline said.

The Ministry of the Attorney-General is responsible for enforcing the Criminal Code and Health Canada provides licences to marijuana producers. The Ministry of Labour, meanwhile, is strictly concerned with issues like workplace health and safety.

That means all employees can unionize, whether they’re selling drugs or involved in some other illegal activity.

“Every worker has the right to unionize if they are considered a worker and an employee,” Deline said. “The Labour Relations Act doesn’t get involved in the type of business.”

Every worker has the right to unionize

Employees at the Canna Clinic weren’t eager to talk about the union. A man at the reception desk said he doesn’t “care either way” and wouldn’t comment further. Another woman at the dispensary told the Post that unionizing is a sensitive issue, and said employees are unlikely to speak about it until “things settle down.”

Unifor will receive an official certification letter from the Ontario Labour Relations Board in the next two weeks. After that, the bargaining unit will elect a bargaining committee and negotiate their first contract between Canna Clinic and its employees.

“It’s no different than any other employees who come to us to represent them,” said Unifor’s Katha Fortier. “People want to make sure they are properly trained, that the employer is providing as safe an environment as they possibly can for the workers.”

She said police raids were a risk “before and after the union”, and that won’t change now that Unifor represents the workers. But it’s clear that marijuana will soon be legal, and employees in the industry want a workplace that’s as safe as possible, she said.

“This is, no pun intended, a growing industry,” she said. “In one form or another, more workers will be in this industry.”

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gb123

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in so many different directions they cant even fathom.
there heads are gonna spin so fast they just wont know what direction
 

VIANARCHRIS

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I'm definitely not a union guy, but if that's what they want, good on 'em. I'm not sure how effective it'll be though - they go on strike and buddy renames his business and carries on. It's not a legal business and does not need to follow labour laws as such.
On a side note, my little island of 4000 people just got it's own dispensary yesterday- Island Time Medicinal.
 

VIANARCHRIS

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I had a good talk with the guy at the dispensary today. It's open to anyone over 19 y/o without any medical papers, I didn't even have to show ID. Apparently they spoke with and have the blessing of the local RCMP so long as they don't sell to minors.
They had a very small selection as they only opened on Friday, but they had 8 or 9 strains,both indoor and outdoor, some shatter, resin... and gummy bears! Prices are about what I expected from a dispensary, but reasonable enough that I can treat myself with a new flavour every once in a while. A 1/4 of indoor went for $60 and outdoor was $35 a 1/4. Gummy Bears were $15/ a bag!
I tried some outdoor hybrid 'Seawarp'...very tasty, nice body stone. I bought an 1/8 of 'Violator (indoor). supposedly a strong indica but I haven't tried it yet.
 

bcbreeder

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this unionization issue speaks to the doctrine of inherantly dangerous work, e.g. if the store got raided and the employees get stuck with criminal charges they can go back to the employer to cover their legal fees, its about time canna employers are brought up to the 20th century
 

VIANARCHRIS

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this unionization issue speaks to the doctrine of inherantly dangerous work, e.g. if the store got raided and the employees get stuck with criminal charges they can go back to the employer to cover their legal fees, its about time canna employers are brought up to the 20th century
Most dispensaries already cover legal costs for employees - most times charges are dropped against employees and the owner is the one who needs to defend. If the courts decide to proceed with prosecution against an employee, the judge is not going to take into account that they are unionized - I don't see how that will help?
I've said before that I am not a fan of unions, I pride myself on never having paid a dime in union extortion dues. Canna employees may be catching up to the 20th century, unions are soooo 20th century imo, but we live in the 21st century.....
IMO these employees just signed up to donate some of their meager pay to union execs with absolutely no benefit to themselves. Not the sharpest tools in the shed.
 

chex1111

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Most dispensaries already cover legal costs for employees - most times charges are dropped against employees and the owner is the one who needs to defend. If the courts decide to proceed with prosecution against an employee, the judge is not going to take into account that they are unionized - I don't see how that will help?
I've said before that I am not a fan of unions, I pride myself on never having paid a dime in union extortion dues. Canna employees may be catching up to the 20th century, unions are soooo 20th century imo, but we live in the 21st century.....
IMO these employees just signed up to donate some of their meager pay to union execs with absolutely no benefit to themselves. Not the sharpest tools in the shed.
Nice article, 20th century for unions may b true. But, look at where they came from. People getting used and abused until they had leaders who used violence against the rich to fight for their rights. Hoffa. Only the braver will shackle the slavers.
 

VIANARCHRIS

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Nice article, 20th century for unions may b true. But, look at where they came from. People getting used and abused until they had leaders who used violence against the rich to fight for their rights. Hoffa. Only the braver will shackle the slavers.
Sure they had their time and did good things for workers, but we now have provincial and federal laws that protect workers from abuse. I see absolutely no need for their existence in the 21st century. I know others have the opposite view and I've had this argument many times...I just can't wrap my head around being forced to pay for someone to take away your right to negotiate with an employer.
 

ttystikk

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Most dispensaries already cover legal costs for employees - most times charges are dropped against employees and the owner is the one who needs to defend. If the courts decide to proceed with prosecution against an employee, the judge is not going to take into account that they are unionized - I don't see how that will help?
I've said before that I am not a fan of unions, I pride myself on never having paid a dime in union extortion dues. Canna employees may be catching up to the 20th century, unions are soooo 20th century imo, but we live in the 21st century.....
IMO these employees just signed up to donate some of their meager pay to union execs with absolutely no benefit to themselves. Not the sharpest tools in the shed.
What happened here in the States after Reagan broke the unions was that wages ceased going up. It's been 40 years of more and more profits accruing to the corporation while employees get stagnant wages, fewer benefits and watch their jobs get outsourced.

Graph shows real inflation adjusted wages vs productivity over time;
wages-productivity-decoupled.jpg
The reason is not because every employee had a union job, but union wages set the pay standard across the country. Without them, employees have no bargaining power against ever larger companies with ever more power over them.

Longer hours without additional compensation has actually meant a pay CUT in real terms.

One of the biggest protest movements in America today is the 'fight for fifteen', to raise the minimum wage to something that's sufficient to lift workers making low wages out of poverty.

For all their faults, unions were a core reason for the rise of the middle class in America and their demise has caused immense damage to countless families nationwide.

Now that you know more about the influence unions have had on wages, benefits and workplace safety, perhaps you'll feel differently about what union dues actually do, not only for you but for every employee in the country.
 

chex1111

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What happened here in the States after Reagan broke the unions was that wages ceased going up. It's been 40 years of more and more profits accruing to the corporation while employees get stagnant wages, fewer benefits and watch their jobs get outsourced.

Graph shows real inflation adjusted wages vs productivity over time;
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The reason is not because every employee had a union job, but union wages set the pay standard across the country. Without them, employees have no bargaining power against ever larger companies with ever more power over them.

Longer hours without additional compensation has actually meant a pay CUT in real terms.

One of the biggest protest movements in America today is the 'fight for fifteen', to raise the minimum wage to something that's sufficient to lift workers making low wages out of poverty.

For all their faults, unions were a core reason for the rise of the middle class in America and their demise has caused immense damage to countless families nationwide.

Now that you know more about the influence unions have had on wages, benefits and workplace safety, perhaps you'll feel differently about what union dues actually do, not only for you but for every employee in the country.
It's exactly what I have found in my life. The industries I worked in payed way more in the eighties. The supervisors and license holders, who are the workers of the seventies, chopped the wages down to between 5-30% of what they made. They realized that there are more people than good jobs so why pay? When the industry is down you have to accept lower wages, when its doing great the low wages are there to stay.

As for the fight for fiftten, its the the fight that needs to be fought. I have no doubt the slave master still exists.
 

VIANARCHRIS

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What happened here in the States after Reagan broke the unions was that wages ceased going up. It's been 40 years of more and more profits accruing to the corporation while employees get stagnant wages, fewer benefits and watch their jobs get outsourced.

Graph shows real inflation adjusted wages vs productivity over time;
View attachment 3947366
The reason is not because every employee had a union job, but union wages set the pay standard across the country. Without them, employees have no bargaining power against ever larger companies with ever more power over them.

Longer hours without additional compensation has actually meant a pay CUT in real terms.

One of the biggest protest movements in America today is the 'fight for fifteen', to raise the minimum wage to something that's sufficient to lift workers making low wages out of poverty.

For all their faults, unions were a core reason for the rise of the middle class in America and their demise has caused immense damage to countless families nationwide.

Now that you know more about the influence unions have had on wages, benefits and workplace safety, perhaps you'll feel differently about what union dues actually do, not only for you but for every employee in the country.
I respect your opinion but I don't agree. Union wages nor Reagan have had any affect on my ability to negotiate a fair wage during my working life. When I didn't feel I was being compensated for my value I moved on. I never got rich, but I did alright.
My brother-in-law and I used to have some pretty intense 'discussions' about unions...nobody ever won! lol Trying to convert me to be pro-union is like trying to convert the pope to atheism!
 

ttystikk

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I respect your opinion but I don't agree. Union wages nor Reagan have had any affect on my ability to negotiate a fair wage during my working life. When I didn't feel I was being compensated for my value I moved on. I never got rich, but I did alright.
My brother-in-law and I used to have some pretty intense 'discussions' about unions...nobody ever won! lol Trying to convert me to be pro-union is like trying to convert the pope to atheism!
Your perspective is 'micro' and it's the one people with higher skill levels and education can (usually) take advantage of. I respect it.

Unions work to raise the tide of lower skilled workers- who will then grow an economy that supports more higher skilled workers and entrepreneurs.

It's an economic ecosystem. Your strategy has worked well for you but it won't work for everyone. Likewise with unions.

I see the advantages and necessity of both.
 
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VIANARCHRIS

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it's the one people with higher skill levels and education can (usually) take advantage of.
I'm mostly self-taught and barely got my high school diploma, I was just determined and motivated to earn a living to feed my kids. The industries I worked in were not unionized, still aren't, so there was never even the option. I started at the bottom knowing nothing and discovered I was good at it and quickly became someone in demand. When the industry slowed down, I just became self-employed (several times). I never got rich, but I've had some pretty sweet 'gigs'. I value my quality of life over finances and toys, so money was never the biggest motivator.
I get that it's not for everyone, nor are unions, but I will never credit a union for influencing my working career...I did it myself. :peace:
 

ttystikk

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I'm mostly self-taught and barely got my high school diploma, I was just determined and motivated to earn a living to feed my kids. The industries I worked in were not unionized, still aren't, so there was never even the option. I started at the bottom knowing nothing and discovered I was good at it and quickly became someone in demand. When the industry slowed down, I just became self-employed (several times). I never got rich, but I've had some pretty sweet 'gigs'. I value my quality of life over finances and toys, so money was never the biggest motivator.
I get that it's not for everyone, nor are unions, but I will never credit a union for influencing my working career...I did it myself. :peace:
I'm glad it worked out for you. I'm not saying everyone needs to be in a union, I'm saying that it takes all kinds and unions do work for many- and society benefits.
 
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