How did you find your Breeders?

ProPheT 216

ProPheT 216

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I guess one of the things I think about most is strains and breeders and what I might like to explore next. The problem is the catalogue is to expansive to even keep up on let alone try the majority. This dos not afford the adverage grower the ability to grow and test simply by trial. In turn the consumer is counting on quality and getting what they pay for when a strain is finally selected.

So my questions to you are, what was your path to finding the breeders you stick with? Where did you start? What led you to your favorite breeders? How do you select the new breeders you try?

Appreciate the responses in advance
 
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pahpah-cee

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Agreed this whole breeder scene is really overwhelming. I don’t have social media so it makes it even more difficult to know what’s going on.
 
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pahpah-cee

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xtsho said:
There are not that many actual breeders so it's not that overwhelming. What's overwhelming is the amount of pollen chuckers that people call breeders.
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It’s all these hype strains that throw me for a loop. They seem expensive and all about the bag appeal.

I want potency and flavor for myself. I also want to get some cbd strains that are more medicinal leaning for family. Those grandparents are starting to open up to trying more natural medicine.
 
xtsho

xtsho

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ProPheT 216 said:
Who do you consider to be actual breeders? Sounds like your list is short.
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Someone that does more than just cross one polyhybrid with another and call it A then cross that with another polyhybrid cross called B and call it C. Then start crossing A,B,C all together again and call them D,E,F,G, etc... That's nothing but pollen chucking.

Hell I spent 3 years making an IBL starting from 2 distinct strains. I have dozens of different crosses I've made. Plus all the feminized versions I've made as well. My seed collection is enormous and most of it are things I made. I've been doing this for years and I also do the same with vegetables and flowers. I have more experience and knowledge of actual breeding methods, techniques, etc... than many of these so called breeders as do a large number of members on this site. I wouldn't think of calling myself a breeder. That term is so overused. Breeding is much more than just dusting a flower with pollen. That's just making seeds aka pollen chucking.

Actual breeding is a very in depth topic and well beyond the scope of many of outfits people refer to as breeders.


Traditional and Modern Plant Breeding Methods with Examples in Rice (Oryza sativa L.)

 
Coldnasty

Coldnasty

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ProPheT 216 said:
I guess one of the things I think about most is strains and breeders and what I might like to explore next. The problem is the catalogue is to expansive to even keep up on let alone try the majority. This dos not afford the adverage grower the ability to grow and test simply by trial. In turn the consumer is counting on quality and getting what they pay for when a strain is finally selected.

So my questions to you are, what was your path to finding the breeders you stick with? Where did you start? What led you to your favorite breeders? How do you select the new breeders you try?

Appreciate the responses in advance
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Trial and error was my unscientific method.
 
ProPheT 216

ProPheT 216

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xtsho said:
Someone that does more than just cross one polyhybrid with another and call it A then cross that with another polyhybrid cross called B and call it C. Then start crossing A,B,C all together again and call them D,E,F,G, etc... That's nothing but pollen chucking.

Hell I spent 3 years making an IBL starting from 2 distinct strains. I have dozens of different crosses I've made. Plus all the feminized versions I've made as well. My seed collection is enormous and most of it are things I made. I've been doing this for years and I also do the same with vegetables and flowers. I have more experience and knowledge of actual breeding methods, techniques, etc... than many of these so called breeders as do a large number of members on this site. I wouldn't think of calling myself a breeder. That term is so overused. Breeding is much more than just dusting a flower with pollen. That's just making seeds aka pollen chucking.

Actual breeding is a very in depth topic and well beyond the scope of many of outfits people refer to as breeders.


Traditional and Modern Plant Breeding Methods with Examples in Rice (Oryza sativa L.)

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Long read but I couldn't stop

Ive been pondering what I took in from the document. Seems like diversity is the main key to furthering improvement of a line, that does not mean x and y can not be crossed because they have been crossed to much but rather does x and y provide each other with strengths where there were weaknesses. Selfing a plant provides a great reproduction of the genes but with minimal improvement.

So in short blindly crossing 2 plants that that make good parents does not result in good to great offspring most of the time. It is preferable to have the most wild of what's deemed to be good gene diversity for a plant to pick from when making seed. If not the phenotype is likely to inherit more bad traits than good, even swap what was good for what is worse is some cases. Changing one gene seems to link to forcibly changing others. This is exploitable but are you that deep in the game?

Are you a a real breeder or just crossing plants?

It's a lot like people, you don't imbreed for the main reason you have no gene diversity to fill in bad gaps with better ones.
 
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xtsho

xtsho

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ProPheT 216 said:
Long read but I couldn't stop

Ive been pondering what I took in from the document. Seems like diversity is the main key to furthering improvement of a line, that does not mean x and y can not be crossed because they have been crossed to much but rather does x and y provide each other with strengths where there were weaknesses. Selfing a plant provides a great reproduction of the genes but with minimal improvement.

So in short blindly crossing 2 plants that that make good parents does not result in good to great offspring most of the time. It is preferable to have the most wild of what's deemed to be good gene diversity for a plant to pick from when making seed. If not the phenotype is likely to inherit more bad traits than good, even swap what was good for what is worse is some cases. Changing one gene seems to link to forcibly changing others. This is exploitable but are you that deep in the game?

Are you a a real breeder or just crossing plants?

It's a lot like people, you don't imbreed for the main reason you have no gene diversity to fill in bad gaps with better ones.
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I'm just crossing plants while I study breeding. I posted that link which is rather simple to understand. You could ask a good percentage of today's modern Pollen Chuckers some simple breeding terminology questions and they'd just stand there clueless. Fact.
 
oldsilvertip55

oldsilvertip55

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pahpah-cee said:
It’s all these hype strains that throw me for a loop. They seem expensive and all about the bag appeal.

I want potency and flavor for myself. I also want to get some cbd strains that are more medicinal leaning for family. Those grandparents are starting to open up to trying more natural medicine.
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yes even some of the reefer madness gen are starting, to come around to the fact , the pharmisy is'nt the best choice!
 
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conor c

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Trial error and word of mouth from folk i trust mostly i guess like 99% of growers out there is how i make my choices when it comes to breeders i suppose if i think about it.
 
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decrepit digits

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ProPheT 216 said:
I guess one of the things I think about most is strains and breeders and what I might like to explore next. The problem is the catalogue is to expansive to even keep up on let alone try the majority. This dos not afford the adverage grower the ability to grow and test simply by trial. In turn the consumer is counting on quality and getting what they pay for when a strain is finally selected.

So my questions to you are, what was your path to finding the breeders you stick with? Where did you start? What led you to your favorite breeders? How do you select the new breeders you try?

Appreciate the responses in advance
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I think not of the breeder but of the strain I wish to breed then look for the seeds made the way I would like them made. Some strains you are very limited on what is out there so any seeds of that strain will do no matter how poorly done. Smoke reports, grow reports, personal experience what do you all ready like. It used to be like begets like so bag seeds were good choices, maybe not so much anymore? Become the breeder of your own liking. Answers to ?s Breeders I stick with? meself, The start? bag seed and gifted seed, Favorite breeder? me, A new breeder? must have a seed I am looking for.
 
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conor c

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GreenestBasterd said:
That banana cheese from inflorescences of Scotland is outstanding!
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Nice one bro thats good to know bud it did look class on paper but i aint sampled that one from them yet that i can remember anyway lol there oo geez and there junkiebreath and bruces stone strains were pretty badass tho when i tried em glad you like it mate i gonna need to grab some now for sure tho cos we share the same tastes in weed pretty much and there is a literal example of how to choose some strains for this thread in action lol bastard i checked its sold out il need to wait for now on that one but still i appreciate it mate
 
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