How long you think we got?

Spitzered

Spitzered

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HOW LONG DO WE HAVE?​

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How Long Do We Have?​


About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh , had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier:​



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"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government."​



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"A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury."​



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">From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship."​



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"The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years"​


"During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:​


1. from bondage to spiritual faith;​


2. from spiritual faith to great courage;​


3. from courage to liberty;​


4. from liberty to abundance;​


5. from abundance to complacency;​


6. from complacency to apathy;​


7. from apathy to dependence;​


8. from dependence back into bondage"​



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Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law, St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000 Presidential election:​


Number of States won by: Democrats: 19 Republicans: 29​


Square miles of land won by: Democrats: 580,000 Republicans: 2,427,000​


Population of counties won by: Democrats: 127 million Republicans: 143 million​


Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Democrats: 13.2 Republicans: 2.1​


Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory Republican won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of this great country. Democrat territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare..." Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the "complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase.​



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interesting...
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cleatis

cleatis

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I really think that America as we know it is pretty short lived. Hell, it isn't even close to the america we had 50 years ago. And despite what all the America lovers will say, we are just like any empire, bound to fall.

Personally, I think we're so far down the hole now that we're either faced with A) a long hard road of hard times. B) a take over because we are pretty weak right now. Or C) If we find some way to pull through what we've dug ourselves into we will never be the same. It will either be like the peasant and noble system or socialism (which is kind of where we're headed, just like the father of socialism predicted).
 
ViRedd

ViRedd

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I'll tell you what ...

When I was a kid, the only contact anyone had with the federal government was when the mailman came by each day ... and he was on a first name basis with everyone on his route.

Vi
 
iblazethatkush

iblazethatkush

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Wow great post. The sheep of this country think we need government. We're fucked. We'll all see the fall of America from superpower status within our lifetimes, I bet.
 
TheBrutalTruth

TheBrutalTruth

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The only thing I need, or desire, from my government is to be left alone to live my life.

"The planter, the farmer, the mechanic, and the laborer... form the great body of the people of the United States, they are the bone and sinew of the country men who love liberty and desire nothing but equal rights and equal laws. " - Andrew Jackson
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Of course, at this stage, I am now being required to be active in politics in an attempt to fight back from those who would oppress and enslave me, and everyone else in America, and dictate our lives to us minute by minute, day by day, year by year.

Politics is not something I want to have to bother with. I don't care if the idiots in D.C. are running around rutting like dogs in heat, I only care that they are interfering in my life, and screwing over this country.
 
ccodiane

ccodiane

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A couple hundred more years, minimum. It doesn't come any closer than civil war, and we've been there and done that already.
 
TheBrutalTruth

TheBrutalTruth

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As far as how long this Republic has to endure before it collapses under the weight of its bureaucracy or states start seceding.

I give it 50 - 100 years, maybe as little as 25. People are getting pissed off, and seeking knowledge to determine what really is good for this nation, and what is not good for this nation.
 
ccodiane

ccodiane

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TheBrutalTruth said:
As far as how long this Republic has to endure before it collapses under the weight of its bureaucracy or states start seceding.

I give it 50 - 100 years, maybe as little as 25. People are getting pissed off, and seeking knowledge to determine what really is good for this nation, and what is not good for this nation.
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I'll bet you 10 grand we go 150 years, at least.
 
TheBrutalTruth

TheBrutalTruth

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ccodiane said:
A couple hundred more years, minimum. It doesn't come any closer than civil war, and we've been there and done that already.
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I think you are disregarding the fact that the entire populace is in general more educated, more intelligent, and more active in politics. The populace knows more, and the average man could probably lead this nation better than the average politician.

Politicians are not people of great intelligence, they are people that can talk and tell people what they want to hear (after the people tell the politicians what it is).

They are for the most part degenerates who seek power not for noble causes, but because it is power, and they crave it like a alcoholic craves alcohol or a methhead craves methamphetamine. The use it to seduce, brag and impress people.

If you were to give Capitol Hill a collective heart, and you were to examine it, you would see a diseased blackish mass of hate, pride, jealousy, envy, greed, and lust. If you were to examine its collective brain you would see stupidity and ignorance, not wisdom and intelligence. The age when our leaders were noble, and intelligent passed a long time ago, now we are electing what can only be called the Lowest Common Denominator.
 
ccodiane

ccodiane

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TheBrutalTruth said:
I think you are disregarding the fact that the entire populace is in general more educated, more intelligent, and more active in politics. The populace knows more, and the average man could probably lead this nation better than the average politician.
Politicians are not people of great intelligence, they are people that can talk and tell people what they want to hear (after the people tell the politicians what it is).

They are for the most part degenerates who seek power not for noble causes, but because it is power, and they crave it like a alcoholic craves alcohol or a methhead craves methamphetamine. The use it to seduce, brag and impress people.

If you were to give Capitol Hill a collective heart, and you were to examine it, you would see a diseased blackish mass of hate, pride, jealousy, envy, greed, and lust. If you were to examine its collective brain you would see stupidity and ignorance, not wisdom and intelligence. The age when our leaders were noble, and intelligent passed a long time ago, now we are electing what can only be called the Lowest Common Denominator.
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The average man still elects the average politician. This has not changed since our founding, and should not change in the foreseeable future. The definition of what is average will change periodically, though.

Your complaints regarding politicians reflect directly the electorates desires. We're weak, as are our politicians.
 
AchillesLast

AchillesLast

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TheBrutalTruth said:
I think you are disregarding the fact that the entire populace is in general more educated, more intelligent, and more active in politics. The populace knows more, and the average man could probably lead this nation better than the average politician.

Politicians are not people of great intelligence, they are people that can talk and tell people what they want to hear (after the people tell the politicians what it is).

They are for the most part degenerates who seek power not for noble causes, but because it is power, and they crave it like a alcoholic craves alcohol or a methhead craves methamphetamine. The use it to seduce, brag and impress people.

If you were to give Capitol Hill a collective heart, and you were to examine it, you would see a diseased blackish mass of hate, pride, jealousy, envy, greed, and lust. If you were to examine its collective brain you would see stupidity and ignorance, not wisdom and intelligence. The age when our leaders were noble, and intelligent passed a long time ago, now we are electing what can only be called the Lowest Common Denominator.
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WORD. +rep
 
ccodiane

ccodiane

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TheBrutalTruth said:
Lol, I don't think either of us are going to live that long, so there is no way to determine who wins. :wall:
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You're right. If you give me 100 bucks now, I'll give you 10:1 odds and write your kids a check today. Their great great grand kids can cash it if you were right. Deal?
 
TheBrutalTruth

TheBrutalTruth

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ccodiane said:
Your right. If you give me 100 bucks now, I'll give you 10:1 odds and write your kids a check today. Their great great grand kids can cash it if you were right. Deal?
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No, no deal, I don't gamble, not because I think its immoral, but because I understand that it is a fool's game designed by the casinos to create profits by separating the ignorant from their money.

About the only game I'd consider playing is Black Jack and that's because there is a way to even the odds to near parity.
 
ccodiane

ccodiane

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TheBrutalTruth said:
No, no deal, I don't gamble, not because I think its immoral, but because I understand that it is a fool's game designed by the casinos to create profits by separating the ignorant from their money.

About the only game I'd consider playing is Black Jack and that's because there is a way to even the odds to near parity.
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100:1 odds?......

And, I agree with you, in theory. Black Jack is the only game you should play, if you're "smart". In reality though, I go to lose.:dunce: Roulette, slots, all that crap; they're a blast after a few joints and beers! Especially the digital screen roulette, with the real wheel, of course.:bigjoint:
 
TheBrutalTruth

TheBrutalTruth

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ccodiane said:
100:1 odds?......

And, I agree with you, in theory. Black Jack is the only game you should play, if you're "smart". In reality though, I go to lose.:dunce: Roulette, slots, all that crap; they're a blast after a few joints and beers! Especially the digital screen roulette, with the real wheel, of course.:bigjoint:
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To each their own, as long as you are using it as entertainment instead of hoping to win.
 
Dfunk

Dfunk

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I guess America as it is today will drastically start changing in some way within the next 50 years in my opinion.
 
TheBrutalTruth

TheBrutalTruth

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Yes, but any one with any true intelligence wouldn't be using the Athenian Republic as a parallel case for this Republic. The closest historical example to the United States isn't the Athenian "Republic" but that of the Romans.

Rome was a Republic, and towards the end of its days as a Republic it went around granting citizenship to those that didn't truly deserve it. The senators provided bread and circuses for the public (who were ignorant of the larger issues) to get their vote. And engaged in lots of foreign wars.

(Ironically, Rome did suffer from a dictatorship for a while, but Sulla returned Rome to a Republic after the duration of his dictatorship. Of course, due to his purging of his enemies it was a much less robust Republic, and shortly lead to Caesar.)
 
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