How many times can you reveg and reflower a plant? And can you veg a plant forever?

EverythingsHazy

Well-Known Member
1. Can you keep a plant in veg forever? Like give it blood meal every once in a while and repot after a few months.

2. is there a limit to how many times you can reveg and reflower/harvest the same plant? I don't see what would make it so you couldnt do it indefinitely if you can keep a plantin veg for years, and reveg it at least once without the flowering killing it because it w=should recover to normal when fully revegged no?

Please supply sources/fcts if you say either will decrease yield or mess with genetics or potency or anything else that people lump into most cloning/unconventional growing techniques such as those listed above.
 

Crankyxr

Well-Known Member
I believe that vegging a plant "forever" is impossible as every living thing must die some day.. But you can veg for years if you want to/have the space.
As for the reveg/reflower, there is a lot of opinions and facts on that matter... Personally, I've never revegged a plant nor have I reflowered so I may not be the best person to answer your question.
But revegging does take a dramatic toll on the plant in terms of stress. Whether or not it impacts the potential potency of your finished product, your plant will more than likely hermie if revegged/reflowered enough times.
 

RodriguesIV

Active Member
You can do it as many times as you want but it takes a while. I've revegged flowering plants back into vegging plants and the only problem I've ran into is that they're very stretchy until the the veg transition is complete. Typically you would need to wait at least 8 weeks for the 5-7 leaf sets to return. I've then re-cloned these re-vegged plants and then re-flowered the clones and then taken clones of those clones.... etc... etc... It all doesn't matter. It's the same plant no matter what you do to it.
 

topfuel29

Well-Known Member
You need to have a stable strain. Like the others have said hermaphrodites are possible when you go to re-veg.
From what I've heard and seen you can only veg a marijuana plant for so many years. Marijuana is a Annual, it only lives for one season.
But you can trick it for so long.
 

BadKittySmiles

Active Member
Here's a post, within a post (
) that I shared recently in a thread on the same topic.....

If you wanted a little insight and info, this should cover everything you needed to know, and then some.




____________________________



You'll usually have faster results with revegging if you take cuts during bloom, rather than revegging the entire plant first, and as a bonus
it multiplies your plant count faster and can improve distribution in your room if it's large enough to house multiple plants, which can
be a good thing if it was a killer pheno and you have space for more than a single bush.



And if it's important to save the plant, it can be a good idea to divide your eggs among several baskets so to speak, rather than placing
all your hopes and dreams in a single chance at revegging... taking cuttings while the plant is still healthy, will improve your odds of success.



Just be sure your medium is in good condition and that your environment is dialed in, humidity, temperature and nutrition wise, and
you'll have cuttings rooting in 3 - 5 days, and depending on the strain, new vegetative growth around the 7th.





Here's one of my older posts on a similar topic, it may interest you if you like the idea of revegging.




__________




I haven't taken a cutting during veg in years; flowering cuts root just as fast, and with newly developing root systems and less
woody growth, they have fewer overall blooming hormones to purge and more vigor than a plant with woody tissue and a winding-
down root system, that thinks it's reached the end of its life cycle. As such the cuts only ever seem to require a scant few days
under 18/6 - 20/4 to begin reverting back to veg.
I take my cuttings after the current crop begins producing the initial 'golf ball' pre buds, between 20 - 25 days of 12/12.. when
you still have a lot of early fluffy white hair growth and premature calyxes, the turn around is fairly rapid. When I take cuts during
harvest, so far along and after being flushed, it can take a good 10 or so days... which still is about a week+ faster than revegging
the entire plant in most cases, and it provides me with multiple plants, all with healthy new root systems.



But when taken during mid bloom, while well fed, I'll see fresh vegetative growth from my re-vegged clones, during the first
week after being cut, usually occurring within roughly the same 24 - 48 hour time frame that traditionally/normally vegged
cuts begin picking up the pace, after being cut.


And as a bonus, when reversed, the hormonal levels that cause compact and dense growth, and the 'hyper noding' that becomes
what we see as bud, produce a multi-armed candelabra type effect, where you'll see four or six, to sometimes as many as
ten or fifteen
new branches, all protruding from one originating point...
This gives you a killer yield, and can dramatically reduce or even eliminate the need or effort when it comes to training. In other
words, by taking flowering cuttings, you're encouraging a natural growth pattern that is almost ludicrously more effective than
topping or fimming!






Turning a cutting into this in two weeks or less is easy... in another week or so she's put into flowering (indoors), and with
adequate lighting, by harvest they're between 6' - 8'/ft tall, after just a little over 11 weeks or so from taking the cuttings.





A younger 'Red Crown' Widow cut, taken much later in bloom, already growing new branches (six or seven days
from being cut and put into a 20/4 cycle)...




If you haven't already removed them earlier on when pruning, a few 10" - 15" lowest-most branches that may
only have small or whispy buds, are ideal for dividing and cutting into 3 - 5 clones. When pruning and cleaning up the
base, I always keep in mind to leave a few behind for cuttings, later on.


For instance, this is the sister of the above plant, taken from a lower point of the same branch...




Those last two were taken just before the harvest, so it's certainly possible and just about as easy, but taking cuttings at
20 - 25 days 12/12 usually allows for the fastest turn around; they are more easily reverted back to a vegetative state
at this time, than if the cuttings are taken any later, or during the harvest. In conjunction with a very dialed-in
environment, flowering cuttings can provide the below results in a 11 - 12 week growth cycle, counting from cutting,
to harvest.


A nug from the upper left-middle portion of the above plant, one of five or six 'major colas' like it (in a room of six ladies
of the same size/strain... this is 'Feralocity' though, aka Aussie Big Bud
). This plant has been kept alive for roughly
40 YEARS by taking flowering cuttings and revegging them!


(RIP - F. -- The oldest, and longest-running caregiver to the Feralocity plant, who recieved the cutting from the man who
germinated the original seed in the late 1960's, eaarly 1970's, passed nearly a year ago
now :( (He's not the gent in the photo,
we were all celebrating my first Australian harvest though! :) )
)






No decrease in potency or vigor, at least according to the old-timers who've been growing and smoking it for a LOT longer
than the mere 8 years or so, that I have. :p I certainly wouldn't call that keeping a plant aline 'indefinitely', but it's a pretty
good start!

Many of our fruit bushes and trees are decades, to centuries old, much older than the now-deceased plants they originated from.
Cannabis is also thought to be in a unique evolutionary 'border' position between annual and perenial, having now adapted towards
the annual side only quite recently in time (historically speaking it's closer to that border, than all, but five or six other known plant
species). This is thought to be one of the reasons that contributes towards cannabis taking to long-term cloning, so readily.... in
certain regions of the without harsh winters, under the right conditions, wild cannabis plants will die back then reveg naturally, year
after year. Others that succumb to stem illnesses, or crowding may topple, and if the upper growth has enough vigor, it can produce
multiple root systems from crushed branches laying on the ground (nature's version of cloning!), in a way not all that disimilar on
outward appearance to some crawling vines, moving itself further away from the site of illness or crowding.



_________________________________



On the topic of flowering/revegging cuttings, coincidentally, I was invited to headline the 2013 Cannabis World Summit
alongside Rick Simpson earlier this year, and while I specialize in breeding, and producing medical grade oils and concentrates,
I also produced a brief segment for my own presentation on taking and revegging flowering cuttings, where I've been doing it
for quite a while now. :grin:


This year's event is already over, but it is (and according to the producers, always will be!) a free and informative event,
available to all members of our community globally, who are interested in cannabis, in its medical applications, and in what
the major players in the community are up to.


Besides Rick Simpson, and I, Matt Mernagh, Forrest/the CEO of the Magic Flight co, Jamen Shively (recently featured on
CNN), and many others volunteered our time this April to speak and perform for the event.


The second of my Summit video segments focuses on how I've revegged and taken all my flowering cuttings for the last
fifteen or so years, to save space! It's pretty basic, if you know how to take and root a vegging cutting, it's the same
deal, but I like to start a large handful in a small spot in the back of my own vegging room. A 1.5ft x 2.5ft crate can produce
over 150 rooted clones in less than a weeks time, allowing me to donate to up to 35 patients in my state.
Where I don't ask for compensation or financial donations, I'm legally allowed to produce and share as many under-12" plants,
as I want! (I'm in a rural state without many dispensaries, and as far as genetics go, many patients here have little to no
access to clones or even seeds, let alone the finished medicine they need.)

I donate medicine and immature plants to the elderly, hospice, and other very ill or underprivlaged pqtients in my area, and
keep my own costs low by collecting the organic materials I need to make teas and composts (everything I can't use, goes
to someone who needs it!).... and here's a preview for my Summit segments, too :)

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Anyhow, good luck and have fun!
 

EverythingsHazy

Well-Known Member
WOAH!!! Thats sick. Talk about "Monster Cropping". I was wondering how that worked and wanted to see more pics of proof that it even did and you provided! like + rep for the help bro. I appreciate you answering the question thoroughly instead of telling me to use the search function which obviously didnt give me all the info you provided when I did lol/
 

GrowUrOwnDank

Well-Known Member
Here's a post, within a post (
) that I shared recently in a thread on the same topic.....

If you wanted a little insight and info, this should cover everything you needed to know, and then some.




____________________________



You'll usually have faster results with revegging if you take cuts during bloom, rather than revegging the entire plant first, and as a bonus
it multiplies your plant count faster and can improve distribution in your room if it's large enough to house multiple plants, which can
be a good thing if it was a killer pheno and you have space for more than a single bush.



And if it's important to save the plant, it can be a good idea to divide your eggs among several baskets so to speak, rather than placing
all your hopes and dreams in a single chance at revegging... taking cuttings while the plant is still healthy, will improve your odds of success.



Just be sure your medium is in good condition and that your environment is dialed in, humidity, temperature and nutrition wise, and
you'll have cuttings rooting in 3 - 5 days, and depending on the strain, new vegetative growth around the 7th.





Here's one of my older posts on a similar topic, it may interest you if you like the idea of revegging.




__________




I haven't taken a cutting during veg in years; flowering cuts root just as fast, and with newly developing root systems and less
woody growth, they have fewer overall blooming hormones to purge and more vigor than a plant with woody tissue and a winding-
down root system, that thinks it's reached the end of its life cycle. As such the cuts only ever seem to require a scant few days
under 18/6 - 20/4 to begin reverting back to veg.
I take my cuttings after the current crop begins producing the initial 'golf ball' pre buds, between 20 - 25 days of 12/12.. when
you still have a lot of early fluffy white hair growth and premature calyxes, the turn around is fairly rapid. When I take cuts during
harvest, so far along and after being flushed, it can take a good 10 or so days... which still is about a week+ faster than revegging
the entire plant in most cases, and it provides me with multiple plants, all with healthy new root systems.



But when taken during mid bloom, while well fed, I'll see fresh vegetative growth from my re-vegged clones, during the first
week after being cut, usually occurring within roughly the same 24 - 48 hour time frame that traditionally/normally vegged
cuts begin picking up the pace, after being cut.


And as a bonus, when reversed, the hormonal levels that cause compact and dense growth, and the 'hyper noding' that becomes
what we see as bud, produce a multi-armed candelabra type effect, where you'll see four or six, to sometimes as many as
ten or fifteen new branches, all protruding from one originating point...
This gives you a killer yield, and can dramatically reduce or even eliminate the need or effort when it comes to training. In other
words, by taking flowering cuttings, you're encouraging a natural growth pattern that is almost ludicrously more effective than
topping or fimming!






Turning a cutting into this in two weeks or less is easy... in another week or so she's put into flowering (indoors), and with
adequate lighting, by harvest they're between 6' - 8'/ft tall, after just a little over 11 weeks or so from taking the cuttings.





A younger 'Red Crown' Widow cut, taken much later in bloom, already growing new branches (six or seven days
from being cut and put into a 20/4 cycle)...




If you haven't already removed them earlier on when pruning, a few 10" - 15" lowest-most branches that may
only have small or whispy buds, are ideal for dividing and cutting into 3 - 5 clones. When pruning and cleaning up the
base, I always keep in mind to leave a few behind for cuttings, later on.


For instance, this is the sister of the above plant, taken from a lower point of the same branch...




Those last two were taken just before the harvest, so it's certainly possible and just about as easy, but taking cuttings at
20 - 25 days 12/12 usually allows for the fastest turn around; they are more easily reverted back to a vegetative state
at this time, than if the cuttings are taken any later, or during the harvest. In conjunction with a very dialed-in
environment, flowering cuttings can provide the below results in a 11 - 12 week growth cycle, counting from cutting,
to harvest.


A nug from the upper left-middle portion of the above plant, one of five or six 'major colas' like it (in a room of six ladies
of the same size/strain... this is 'Feralocity' though, aka Aussie Big Bud
). This plant has been kept alive for roughly
40 YEARS by taking flowering cuttings and revegging them!


(RIP - F. -- The oldest, and longest-running caregiver to the Feralocity plant, who recieved the cutting from the man who
germinated the original seed in the late 1960's, eaarly 1970's, passed nearly a year ago
now :( (He's not the gent in the photo,
we were all celebrating my first Australian harvest though! :) )
)






No decrease in potency or vigor, at least according to the old-timers who've been growing and smoking it for a LOT longer
than the mere 8 years or so, that I have. :p I certainly wouldn't call that keeping a plant aline 'indefinitely', but it's a pretty
good start!

Many of our fruit bushes and trees are decades, to centuries old, much older than the now-deceased plants they originated from.
Cannabis is also thought to be in a unique evolutionary 'border' position between annual and perenial, having now adapted towards
the annual side only quite recently in time (historically speaking it's closer to that border, than all, but five or six other known plant
species). This is thought to be one of the reasons that contributes towards cannabis taking to long-term cloning, so readily.... in
certain regions of the without harsh winters, under the right conditions, wild cannabis plants will die back then reveg naturally, year
after year. Others that succumb to stem illnesses, or crowding may topple, and if the upper growth has enough vigor, it can produce
multiple root systems from crushed branches laying on the ground (nature's version of cloning!), in a way not all that disimilar on
outward appearance to some crawling vines, moving itself further away from the site of illness or crowding.



_________________________________



On the topic of flowering/revegging cuttings, coincidentally, I was invited to headline the 2013 Cannabis World Summit
alongside Rick Simpson earlier this year, and while I specialize in breeding, and producing medical grade oils and concentrates,
I also produced a brief segment for my own presentation on taking and revegging flowering cuttings, where I've been doing it
for quite a while now. :grin:


This year's event is already over, but it is (and according to the producers, always will be!) a free and informative event,
available to all members of our community globally, who are interested in cannabis, in its medical applications, and in what
the major players in the community are up to.


Besides Rick Simpson, and I, Matt Mernagh, Forrest/the CEO of the Magic Flight co, Jamen Shively (recently featured on
CNN), and many others volunteered our time this April to speak and perform for the event.


The second of my Summit video segments focuses on how I've revegged and taken all my flowering cuttings for the last
fifteen or so years, to save space! It's pretty basic, if you know how to take and root a vegging cutting, it's the same
deal, but I like to start a large handful in a small spot in the back of my own vegging room. A 1.5ft x 2.5ft crate can produce
over 150 rooted clones in less than a weeks time, allowing me to donate to up to 35 patients in my state.
Where I don't ask for compensation or financial donations, I'm legally allowed to produce and share as many under-12" plants,
as I want! (I'm in a rural state without many dispensaries, and as far as genetics go, many patients here have little to no
access to clones or even seeds, let alone the finished medicine they need.)

FUCK YEAH! What he said^!
 
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