HP vs LP Aeroponics

LiquidLumen

Active Member
I'd like to do a cost/benefit analysis of High Pressure aka "True" aeroponics versus Low Pressure aeroponics. I am impressed with those of you who are willing to put the time and effort into taking aeroponics to the next level. I'm wondering if anyone is interested in doing a complete breakdown of all the components needed to build one of these high pressure aero systems, and can provide production numbers as well. I'm interested because I use LP aero and have considered experimenting with HP aero, but it just seems so expensive and complicated compared to LP. I'm definitely all about investing the proper amount of time/effort/money if it pays off in the long run, but it's hard to imagine getting much better results than what I've seen with a properly maintained LP system. So, let's start off with what I know can be produced with a 600W light in a 5x5x10 room running CO2 at 1500 PPM using a home made LP Aero system with Canna nutes and running on a 15 minute on/15 minute off pump cycle.

Cost of components:

1 1000GPH pump....$70
2 Tote reservoirs....$35
40 ez clone misters....$25
5 Micron Filter from Home Depot...$25
Tubing/PVC....$10
2 air pumps + 2 air stones to oxygenate the water build up in bottom of rez....$40
15 minute interval timer from walmart...$10

Total Cost of complete aeroponic system...$215

Production capabilities: With CO2 injection, starting from clones of an indica-dominant strain, going into12/12 immediately after root development, with 20 plants:

Average production....18 OZ

Maintenence:

Filter replacement: Requires replacing about once per month @ $8 per filter.
Pump replacement: Hydrofarm models come with 1 year warranty, and they usually last longer than that.
Water: Never replace water, simply refill and check pH/ppm on a daily basis.
Misters: Never clog as long as filter is replaced once per month.

Build time: 2 hours.

So, in the end, you can produce a system in a couple of hours, for around 200 bucks, that requires very little daily maintenence or replacement parts, and can produce close to an ouce per plant in a SOG style set up.

Now let's hear some numbers from other HP or LP aero set ups.
 

lopezri

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You can get a couple of generic totes for reservoirs at Wal-Mart for $4 each. Hope that helps.
 

LiquidLumen

Active Member
You can get a couple of generic totes for reservoirs at Wal-Mart for $4 each. Hope that helps.
Yeah I've tried those, they leak...I've found some more expensive ones that form a really tight seal at the local hardware store. They're a bit pricey but well worth the investment since you only have to buy them once and a leaking reservoir can be quite a pain in the ass.
 

The Mad Hatter

Active Member
I gotta ask about the pump... $70 for 1000GPH seems a bit on the low side... I know there are all kinds out there, but you really got to pay attention to the numbers. A cheep aquarium pump may be rated at 1000GPH but that figure is going to drop like a rock once there is any amount of head/back-pressure on it. I have a harbor freight 330GPH pump thats rated for something like 25' of total lift and I'm seeing something like 75psi when I've got it running a few 10GPH/40PSI sprayers... Though the real test will come later today when I start hooking up my full spray bars.

As far as other numbers go... Well, I'm a bad example... I've put about 2K into plumbing, fittings, buckets and other stuff and I'm only about half done... Of course my system is likely to be considered grose overkill by nearly everyone... But overengineering is the only kind of engineering I'm good at. Nearly everything is made out of at least 304 stainless instrumentation fittings... Manifolds are anodized aluminum... Stainless solenoids... It all costs a bloody fortune... Though I do expect it to last forever, so I don't mind the expense. I hope this answers some of your questions... I can probably break it down a bit further if need be, but I was planning on posting more info in my other thread later today anyway.

Also worth checking out the "True Plug n' Play..." thread that's going here as well... They are currently debating the merits of various compressors and exotic custom spec spray nozzles so at least I don't feel so alone.


Take care & always watch your back,
T.M.H.
 

tea tree

Well-Known Member
I got a 25 dollar pump and some red misters for like 8 bucks. I used sprayers and misters. Using pvc pipe I built a system sumiliar to yours. It is easily modifiable. Lol, I put it in a five gallon bucket and used it to clone. I guess It would easily fit a rubbermaid. The pvc is cheap and does not need to be glued to gether. The misters just pop into holes. Come in and out with a snap. Aero seems pretty easy. I wathced a videoo of rooftop aero farms in singapore or somewhere and they use big sprinklers under plywood! Good design. I have never taken it farther about chillers and big plants and timers tho.
 

indrhrvest

New Member
Bump? interesting thread.
Price depends on size. You need a HP Diapgram pump, accumulator, solenoid, timer that will do seconds, nozzles, misc. fittings, tubing and a root chamber. If you plan to recirculate you need recovery, filters etc.

Wait a few months and you can just buy a complete system from us. A proven design, easy to use, low maintainece. The major difference between HPA and LPA is that with HPA you can use drain to waste and the plants produce multi-cell hairs on the roots in HPA which allow faster growth.

LPA isn't really Aeroponics, it's just NFT on a timer.

Video of our roots/system.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGNo95f4dI4

 

PetFlora

Well-Known Member
There are several high pressure threads here, so...

1000 gph pump does not create high pressure, it creates high volume
 

BeastGrow

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The higher pressure the pump the more noise... more pumps but lower pressure = better noise displacement.
 

Aeropuff

Active Member
I'll just say that LP might be a cheaper and simpler method...but HP is just so amazing. I started out growing in soil and then moved to hydro, and now Im building my HP system. When I first started I had absolutely no idea what an accumulator tank was, never heard of a pressure switch, had no clue how to wire a a simple circuit...the whole HP thing was like rocket science to me

Just from reading HP threads and doing research I have learned so much and gained a ton of knowledge about electricity, pressure, etc...its been an amazing journey.

Now I know how to wire and program an Omron H5CX digital cycle timer, I know how to set up a pressure switch, how to fill up an accumulator tank and connect the whole system. I was never a DIY type of person...now I love it.

It might be more expensive and complicated but, for me at least, it turned into a hobby and something that I love to do!

If you are looking to save some $$ well just look at it this way...if you will be growing for a long-term period HP will save you money in the long run :) if you will be only doing a few grows than its not worth it.
 

oxanaca

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Now I know how to wire and program an Omron H5CX digital cycle timer, I know how to set up a pressure switch, how to fill up an accumulator tank and connect the whole system. I was never a DIY type of person...now I love it.
settled on the omron huh? if you havent already bought it take a look on ebay theres some great deal on there, for that.
after you've played with it for a while let me know what you think of it.
 

Aeropuff

Active Member
settled on the omron huh? if you havent already bought it take a look on ebay theres some great deal on there, for that.
after you've played with it for a while let me know what you think of it.
Actually a while back I found a really good Ebay deal on an Omron and I figured since they dont go for that price usually that Ill buy it...I think I paid around $46, about a year ago. But the thing is used...I set it up and tested it, works fine and all...I just dont know how much more life is in it...

As for the timer I think its nice, wasn't too hard to set up...I set it to 0.3 sec ON and 180sec delay...cool thing (not really important) about it is that you can set the delay time to go from 0 to 180 or like a countdown from 180 to 0. It didnt come with the plastic part that secures it when you panel mount it, so I went a head and order that part as I want to place it in a plastic junction box. Im only worried how long it will last...thats why I was interested in the one you posted, the ATC one...because its a good price and its new!
 

oxanaca

Well-Known Member
Actually a while back I found a really good Ebay deal on an Omron and I figured since they dont go for that price usually that Ill buy it...I think I paid around $46, about a year ago. But the thing is used...I set it up and tested it, works fine and all...I just dont know how much more life is in it...

As for the timer I think its nice, wasn't too hard to set up...I set it to 0.3 sec ON and 180sec delay...cool thing (not really important) about it is that you can set the delay time to go from 0 to 180 or like a countdown from 180 to 0. It didnt come with the plastic part that secures it when you panel mount it, so I went a head and order that part as I want to place it in a plastic junction box. Im only worried how long it will last...thats why I was interested in the one you posted, the ATC one...because its a good price and its new!
the atcs are the shit, i actually own three of them. i had planned on getting an omron. but decided i liked the analog atc better, just seemed more reliable, and simple.
 

Aeropuff

Active Member
the atcs are the shit, i actually own three of them. i had planned on getting an omron. but decided i liked the analog atc better, just seemed more reliable, and simple.
I feel ya, the only reason why I got the Omron was because of the good ebay deal I came across. The ATC just seams perfect for the job. If I ever need to replace my timer im def getting one of those.
 
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