Hps vs Mh

We TaRdED

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indeed, were you to use green light during vegetation you would grow bigger, stronger plants.

In essence we should all grow with fuller spectrums... even green has its place.
weed does not notice green light... its as good as pitch black(to the plants) in the room when you have a green light in there.

the plants reflect green and thus do not absorb it.

so candidly, green light will not grow plants......
 

mywayorthehighway

Active Member
Also in regards to marijuana man, his theories may not be proven... but they have firm basis in common sense.

I'm assuming you are talking about his trichome theory, where he believes they work as magnifiers to the light. I actually came up with a similar theory before finding out about his. I have reasoned it out many, many times... if anyone here could enlighten me as to how they are baseless, I'd be very interested to hear it. Merely saying that what mm says is not scientific fact, is not nearly good enough when you consider that cannabis is not scientifically studied.
 

mywayorthehighway

Active Member
weed does not notice green light... its as good as pitch black(to the plants) in the room when you have a green light in there.

the plants reflect green and thus do not absorb it.

so candidly, green light will not grow plants......
Really? where'd you read that? In fact a photoreceptor called phototropin is capable of recognising green light.
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
Also in regards to marijuana man, his theories may not be proven... but they have firm basis in common sense.

I'm assuming you are talking about his trichome theory, where he believes they work as magnifiers to the light. I actually came up with a similar theory before finding out about his. I have reasoned it out many, many times... if anyone here could enlighten me as to how they are baseless, I'd be very interested to hear it. Merely saying that what mm says is not scientific fact, is not nearly good enough when you consider that cannabis is not scientifically studied.
Just because MM says something is a fact does not make it so.

MM offers no objective evidence whatsoever that resin production is in any way related to exposure to light, UV or otherwise. He just says it is so!

By your logic, I can say the moon is made of green cheese and that shall be a scientific fact until someone proves otherwise. That's not how science works.
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
i recall jorge saying something about mh and hps in this months high times. he recomended switching to an mh for the last week or so of flowering to increase potency since mh lights give off more uvb light. so is this true or not? im sure alot of people on this board have more experience than jorge cervantes.
I'm afraid JC is making a great big leap. There's no evidence to support UV causing plants to generate more resin or more THC.
 

mywayorthehighway

Active Member
During the transition from darkness to light, the rate of hypocotyl elongation is determined from the integration of light signals sensed through the phototropin, cryptochrome, and phytochrome signalling pathways. In all light conditions studied, from UV to far-red, early hypocotyl growth is rapidly and robustly suppressed within minutes of illumination in a manner dependent upon light quality and quantity.

The response has a threshold between 10−1 and 100 μmol m−2, is saturated before 102 μmol m−2 and obeys reciprocity. Genetic analyses indicate that the cryptochrome or phototropin photoreceptors do not participate in the response. The major phytochrome receptors influence the normal amplitude and timing of the GL response, yet the GL response is normal in seedlings grown for hours under constant dim-red light. Therefore, phytochrome activation enhances, but is not required for, the GL response. Seedlings grown under green, red, and blue light together are longer than those grown under red and blue alone. This data indicates that a novel GL-activated light sensor promotes early stem elongation that antagonizes growth inhibition.

The first sensing of light transitions the etiolated seedling into a developmental program that prepares the plant for autotrophy. This process, photomorphogenesis, is typified by changes at the biochemical, molecular, and physiological levels that guide early plant morphology during establishment. One of the most conspicuous changes to occur during photomorphogenic development is an inhibition of hypocotyl (stem) growth rate. Ultraviolet, blue, red, and far-red light each rapidly inhibit stem growth within minutes of irradiation, making this rapid response an excellent reporter of light sensing and signal integration.

Monochromatic green light (GL) has been shown to act as a signal in regulating specific facets of plant physiology, inhibiting seedling mass, plant cell culture growth, and light-induced gravitropic root elongating. Recently it has been shown that GL can reverse blue light-induced stomatal opening. The GL response is mediated through a yet-to-be-defined photosensor, and genetic analyses suggest the response to be zeaxanthin based. Plant responses to GL may be initiated through known light sensors. Phytochromes and cryptochromes absorb GL and possibly influence light-induced events. However, the action/response spectra for GL-induced responses exhibit a peak between 540 to 550 nm and thus are incongruous with the absorption spectra for phytochromes, cryptochromes, and phototropins and the action spectra for the responses they govern. GL signals may also be a consequence of low-level coactivation of multiple sensory systems that together guide atypical physiological outcomes.
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
During the transition from darkness to light, the rate of hypocotyl elongation is determined from the integration of light signals sensed through the phototropin, cryptochrome, and [...]
This comes from where? Nice to provide the link to the source along with the content...
 

BigBudBalls

Well-Known Member
The photosynthetic process ignores green light. Plants appear green because they are reflecting green light.

This was always a running gag in our group. What color is that? Wrong! Every color *but* that. Its absorbing all colors but what it *is* reflecting/rejecting.

(that and ,what Time is it? Well, its a quarter to 1/2 past 10)
 

mywayorthehighway

Active Member
This comes from where? Nice to provide the link to the source along with the content...


you think i could make this up? In fact it has even be reasoned that cannabis could adapt and photosynthesisie in a pure green spec environment. Theory of course, but the science supports it, or at least the reasoning behind the science does.
 

We TaRdED

Well-Known Member
you think i could make this up? In fact it has even be reasoned that cannabis could adapt and photosynthesisie in a pure green spec environment. Theory of course, but the science supports it, or at least the reasoning behind the science does.
so why even bring it up?

in theory the world was flat and nothing could travel faster than the speed of light. both theories- that have been proven wrong.
 

BigBudBalls

Well-Known Member
you think i could make this up? In fact it has even be reasoned that cannabis could adapt and photosynthesisie in a pure green spec environment. Theory of course, but the science supports it, or at least the reasoning behind the science does.

LOL Reasoned?!?! How many generations would it take?

Nuclear fusion has been reasoned too. Speed of light also. Neither has been accomplished.


Anywhoo.. who grows with a strictly green light? We seem to be just bench racing here.
 

mywayorthehighway

Active Member
so why even bring it up?

in theory the world was flat and nothing could travel faster than the speed of light. both theories- that have been proven wrong.


In theory, once the world was also round... once there was also a man named einstein, self taught and dismissed as nothing in his early stages.

Where do you think science comes from? Everything starts out as theory... in regards to why even mention it... why even reply?
 

BigBudBalls

Well-Known Member
so why even bring it up?

in theory the world was flat and nothing could travel faster than the speed of light. both theories- that have been proven wrong.
The world *IS* flat. There is a celestial doorway that just zaps you around to the other edge. :) lol j/k


Well traveling the speed of light hasn't been disproved. Plus a bunch of Eisenstein's theories have been debunked.
 

We TaRdED

Well-Known Member
In theory, once the world was also round... once there was also a man named einstein, self taught and dismissed as nothing in his early stages.

Where do you think science comes from? Everything starts out as theory... in regards to why even mention it... why even reply?
hey good point. sorry for the unneeded reply.

i guess im being closed minded because saying that green light is stimulating to plants is going against what i have read.

sorry for the ignorance on my part. :mrgreen:

if you would be so kind, please post a link of your claims and preferably in layman's terms because i dont want to get into the scientific jargon behind it.

thanks
 

BigBudBalls

Well-Known Member
In theory, once the world was also round... once there was also a man named einstein, self taught and dismissed as nothing in his early stages.

Where do you think science comes from? Everything starts out as theory... in regards to why even mention it... why even reply?
Einstein was NOT self taught just a free thinker. lol just couldn't get work after his college professor didn't like him.
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
You'd most likely need to pay for it, if it is still available... like i did.
That has got to be the lamest excuse ever for not providing source information.

Where information comes from and the context it was produced within is every bit as important as the citation itself. Without it, the citation is meaningless.
 

We TaRdED

Well-Known Member
The world *IS* flat. There is a celestial doorway that just zaps you around to the other edge. :) lol j/k


Well traveling the speed of light hasn't been disproved. Plus a bunch of Eisenstein's theories have been debunked.
YouTube - U.F.O DISCLOSURE PROJECT U.FO MEETING

start watching at 3 mins.... trust me you'll like this one

notice how they state that they have technology that supersedes the speed of light.

also, i have some other good videos in my signature. i would advise everyone to watch them.:mrgreen::peace:
 
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