ok guys you organic growers, how many of you ph??
ive been told by every single salesperson in a growstore that i need to ph my supersoil. they tell me im not maximixing my plants and if i phed i would have much better results,
I always try to stay away from enlisting hydro store employees for growing advice. Most of these guys only know what other customers and product sales reps tell them.
But they are sort of right on this point. Your soil does need to be in a certain ph range for plants to take in the nutrients. However if dolomite lime is part of your soil mix, you should be ok. It has the same effect as ph down.
I'm on well water which changes a bit from year to year so each year I need different amounts of dolomite lime in my soil. To test it is pretty easy. Take a few 1 gallon pots full of your soil mix, add and measure different amounts of lime to each pot. Test the run off water. Which ever pot gives you the desired ph (high 5 to low 6 range) is your winner. Take the amount of lime you added to that pot and multiply that number by gallon size of your pots, multiplied by your total number of pots. That's how much dolomite lime you need to add to your soil mix.
they also tell me about there nutrient regiments, which i dont believe one of em even grows. he said he uses a 14 bottle organics feeding regiment. now comeon if your growing organic keep it simple dumbass no need to reinvent the wheel, foliar for every little thing. you went organic to put mother nature back in charge, so why arent you doing that??
Well I would use a 14 bottle organic feeding regiment too if I was buying nutrients at cost like they most likely are. You can do the same, and it'll probably turn out great, but if you're buying it at or near retail, you're more than likely going to get a diminishing return on your purchase.
Plants need enough nutrients to be in good health and not have deficiencies. Nothing more. If you're doing that cheaply through a soil mix, then doing it through a fancy expensive nutrient product line is a waste of money.
Hydro stores stay in business by selling nutrients, grow mediums, and light bulbs. Those three things are what keeps them in business. But nutrients are their bread and butter. That's where they make the majority of their money. Ever notice that when you go into a hydro store the nutrients are prominently displayed in the middle of the store? That's how they get your money.
No one buys new fans, ac units, ph censors, ballasts/hoods, pumps, or dehumidifiers every cycle. You buy those things and then you have them. But these stores are being sustained by repeat business. Stuff you need to buy every cycle. That's nutrients. Those nutrient companies are constantly sending sales reps into the store to hype up their products and give the employees free samples so they say kind words about them to their customers.
But the truth is that those one time purchase environmental controls have way more to do with the quality of your end product than nutrients do. They just aren't marketed as much.
You don't need a 14 bottle product line to grow great bud. You need to give your plants enough nutrients to remain healthy. You need a constant temp in the 70s, an elevated level of Co2, a humidity range in the 40s, the proper amount of light, a clean room that you keep bug free, you need to give your plants the attention they need to optimize their health, and train them in order to optimize your space.
You do those things and you'll grow better much better bud than someone who just goes out and spends a lot of fancy nutrient product lines. If your plant starts to develop deficiencies, then address them with the appropriate nutrients. But if they are already healthy, you're don't need that stuff.
Supersoil should give your plants enough of the nutrients they need to stay healthy especially if you're top dressing during flowering.
anyone ever get the feeling talking to someone that they are just some pretentious fuck that grows way "better" than anyone else? and then u think about it and it makes no sense?
IMO that's them trying to present themselves as authorities on the subject so you buy what they tell you to. An effective sales technique. When I worked sales jobs in college, I did the same thing.
am i doin somthing wrong not phing my water?
I think you have been this whole time and you just didn't know it.
what do u guys think about a 14 bottle regiment?
I think it's awesome if you work in a hydro store where you can buy stuff at cost and get it free from sales reps. I think it's snake oil if you're buying it at retail.
i think they get mad when i tell em i can do 3-4 runs in my tent for under 100$although i do give em nutes if they show it using non phed general organics. fuck bottles, supersoil all the way!!!
thoughts, questions, comments, trolls??
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. If your soil are sustaining healthy plants, why bother spending more money to get bottled nutrients? Hydro store employees don't know as much as they pretend to know for the most part. If they were really that good at growing, why are they working a retail job?
sorry for the long winded post
30$ for 1k+worth of pot or 500 for 1.2k worth of pot, you can see what im getting at
