I dream of GINI; high income and wealth inequality and gun violence

http://www.gregpalast.com/florida-honduras-inequality-kills-want-to-end-the-american-shooting-epidemic/

America has rates of gun violence approaching those of nations at war.

Blaming the guns is simplistic and conveniently ignores root causes.

Those who refuse to defend freedom will lose it. America has lost it, along with our democracy.

Gun violence is the symptom, not the cause.

Correlation does not necessarily equate to causation, but interesting perspective.

Bugeye said:

Correlation does not necessarily equate to causation, but interesting perspective.

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It's a much stronger argument than any coming from either side of the debate in this country.

So show where the connection breaks down? I think the issues of wealth and income inequality are central to America's problems in many areas, not just gun violence.

ttystikk said:

It's a much stronger argument than any coming from either side of the debate in this country.

So show where the connection breaks down? I think the issues of wealth and income inequality are central to America's problems in many areas, not just gun violence.

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I can't disprove the theory any more than someone can prove it, so perhaps you are correct. I think the breakdown in the traditional two parent family unit is also a factor.

Bugeye said:

I can't disprove the theory any more than someone can prove it, so perhaps you are correct. I think the breakdown in the traditional two parent family unit is also a factor.

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you can't blame this on lack of nuclear family. we're being squeezed from every which way..just got notice my hr benefits are being reduced AGAIN..shifting traditional burden onto the EE.

how much more of this can we take?

Bugeye said:

I can't disprove the theory any more than someone can prove it, so perhaps you are correct. I think the breakdown in the traditional two parent family unit is also a factor.

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Turns out that's also strongly correlated with the GINI coefficient.

schuylaar said:

you can't blame this on lack of nuclear family. we're being squeezed from every which way..just got notice my hr benefits are being reduced AGAIN..shifting traditional burden onto the EE.

how much more of this can we take?

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I don't blame any one factor, just think it could be a contributing factor. What is EE?

Bugeye said:

I don't blame any one factor, just think it could be a contributing factor. What is EE?

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accounting term for employee. employer is ER.

schuylaar said:

accounting term for employee. employer is ER.

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The similarity to the acronym for the place one goes when one is injured is beyond coincidence.

Is this the thread where stupid is king/queen?

Rob Roy said:

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no one is gonna believe any of these pathetic memes you post, you've already been caught several times posting completely fake ones with your klan-revisionist history.

pedophile

zeddd said:

Is this the thread where stupid is king/queen?

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Takes one to know one.

UncleBuck said:

no one is gonna believe any of these pathetic memes you post, you've already been caught several times posting completely fake ones with your klan-revisionist history.

pedophile

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Ditto.

I'm going to guess that exactly no one commenting in this thread actually clicked on the link and read the half page long article with citations.

That pretty much sums up the quality thinking here.

No one wants to learn anything, they just scream their agenda and wonder why everyone has earplugs.

https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/income-inequality-us-even-worse-youve-been-led-believe

Hmmmmmm, says here that even Great Britain has a lower poverty rate than the United States.

That couldn't have anything to do with either income inequality or gun violence though.

ttystikk said:

I'm going to guess that exactly no one commenting in this thread actually clicked on the link and read the half page long article with citations.

That pretty much sums up the quality thinking here.

No one wants to learn anything, they just scream their agenda and wonder why everyone has earplugs.

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Yes, economic inequality is an important factor in homicides overall, not just gun homicides.

So, I ask you why should we compare the US to Nicaragua when we look at gun ownership vs homicides? They aren't anything alike.

The author in your link compared rates of homicide in Nicaragua and other nations with rampant violent gangs, problems with corruption in the justice system and terrible economic conditions to the US to draw some conclusion about gun ownership in the US not being important. It's like lumping a prison population with a monks in a monastery to say that number of people per cell isn't important when it comes to violence when men live close together.

If we compare gun ownership among countries with advanced economies, in other word,s countries that are similar to each other, we see that rates of gun ownership does correlate to gun homicides.

Sure economic conditions are important. This doesn't mean that rates of gun ownership isn't or that gun control laws don't work.

ttystikk said:

I think the issues of wealth and income inequality are central to America's problems in many areas, not just gun violence.

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Totally agree with you here.

ttystikk said:

America has rates of gun violence approaching those of nations at war.

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No, "America" doesn't. BLACK COMMUNITIES, on the other hand, certainly do.

There is a poisonous culture that exists in our black communities that exists in no other community in the nation. It is a culture that embraces violence, ignorance, dependence, and attacks and mocks order, education, and civility. Be they poor white trash, Latino, or any other segment of society that lives in poverty, NONE murder at the rate that our black communities do. Until THEY are willing to confront and change the culture of violence they live by, and celebrate in many cases, then nothing will ever change.

Wilksey said:

No, "America" doesn't. BLACK COMMUNITIES, on the other hand, certainly do.

There is a poisonous culture that exists in our black communities that exists in no other community in the nation. It is a culture that embraces violence, ignorance, dependence, and attacks and mocks order, education, and civility. Be they poor white trash, Latino, or any other segment of society that lives in poverty, NONE murder at the rate that our black communities do. Until THEY are willing to confront and change the culture of violence they live by, and celebrate in many cases, then nothing will ever change.

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@Excessive_Toker

this avowed white supremacist is saying the exact same thing you were saying the other day

Wilksey said:

No, "America" doesn't. BLACK COMMUNITIES, on the other hand, certainly do.

There is a poisonous culture that exists in our black communities that exists in no other community in the nation. It is a culture that embraces violence, ignorance, dependence, and attacks and mocks order, education, and civility. Be they poor white trash, Latino, or any other segment of society that lives in poverty, NONE murder at the rate that our black communities do. Until THEY are willing to confront and change the culture of violence they live by, and celebrate in many cases, then nothing will ever change.

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Oh my. Your white supremacist bad boy talk is making me moist