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SammyBerne

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I couldn't believe there were 17 posts on this subject before anyone mentioned *per sq ft! I'm jelous of both you guys (tric and bob) killer lumens! I'm only at 3,521 lumens/sqft and 24.8 watts/sqft (right now). That's with one 600 hps complimented by T5's and T8's. Still waiting for my first harvest. The guide I read mentions the following as ideal, 45,000 lumens for a 3'x3' area, and 20-50 watts per sq ft.

I'm wondering Corey and trevor, how do you figure grams/watt with a perpetual gro? (gr/plant)/(watts/# of plants)
 
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st0wandgrow

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Cory and trevor said:
shit, is that legit? Has anyone used a conversion bulb in a crusty old balast from '09? LOL BTW, I'm blown away from the positive comments and great help; I thought all we did was bitch at each other on here, Thanks shit loads guys. Glad you're the man! And Bob freaking Harris with that positive comment, there is a god! LOL Thanks all lots to think over, more now then before. I'm now thinking the conversion bulb and new 1K for flower but bob your foot print on the 600 is the reason I'm not getting another 1K HPS straight away....
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Yes, they work great. I use a 600 watt conversion bulb in my old HPS ballast for veg, and it works like a charm. I use 3 1000 watt bulbs in flowering ..... so if I were you I'd buy a conversion bulb for your 400 watt ballast, and sink your money in to a new 1000 watt ballast for flower.

Best of luck!
 
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bob harris

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SammyBerne said:
I couldn't believe there were 17 posts on this subject before anyone mentioned *per sq ft! I'm jelous of both you guys (tric and bob) killer lumens! I'm only at 3,521 lumens/sqft and 24.8 watts/sqft (right now). That's with one 600 hps complimented by T5's and T8's. Still waiting for my first harvest. The guide I read mentions the following as ideal, 45,000 lumens for a 3'x3' area, and 20-50 watts per sq ft.

I'm wondering Corey and trevor, how do you figure grams/watt with a perpetual gro? (gr/plant)/(watts/# of plants)
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Grams per watt in a perpetual isn't hard. I grow perpetual...6 plants fit in my footprint. So the weight of 6 plants, whenever they are harvested, divided by watts.

50 watts per sq will flower anything. less than 50 works ok for indica, but sativas want more. pure sativa's will take 100 watts per sq ft and LOVE it, so long as temps, humidity and co2 are well controlled.

Easy way to think of it is that the broader the leaf on the plant..the less intensity it needs. The thinner the leaf..the more power it needs.

A leaf is a solar panel. Big one collects more of the available light...small leaf, has a small collection area, needs more intensity to gather enough power.

But it's such a complicated subject. Watts, lummens, Lux all those ratings mean nothing to the plant.

They rely on specific color ranges..PAR lighting. But in general..the more light the better...assuming they are plant lights.
 
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SammyBerne

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I have 5 plants in flower right now. One is harvestable in a week, the next 4 weeks, 5 weeks and the last 2 harvestable in 7 weeks. So what you're telling me is I can't calculate gr/watt untill after the 7 weeks? Doesn't seem like I would get a very accurate number..... That's all I'm asking
 
gladstoned

gladstoned

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bob harris said:
Grams per watt in a perpetual isn't hard. I grow perpetual...6 plants fit in my footprint. So the weight of 6 plants, whenever they are harvested, divided by watts.

50 watts per sq will flower anything. less than 50 works ok for indica, but sativas want more. pure sativa's will take 100 watts per sq ft and LOVE it, so long as temps, humidity and co2 are well controlled.

Easy way to think of it is that the broader the leaf on the plant..the less intensity it needs. The thinner the leaf..the more power it needs.

A leaf is a solar panel. Big one collects more of the available light...small leaf, has a small collection area, needs more intensity to gather enough power.

But it's such a complicated subject. Watts, lummens, Lux all those ratings mean nothing to the plant.

They rely on specific color ranges..PAR lighting. But in general..the more light the better...assuming they are plant lights.
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Great info. That is the first I have ever heard of that.
 
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bob harris

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gladstoned said:
Great info. That is the first I have ever heard of that.
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I'm an old guy...know a few things, and how to simplify them so people understand. Glad it helped.

Leds are great for color..just no penetration power. But wonderful side/supplemental lighting, without a heat issue. Plus you can aim leds at specific areas..that one extra tall cola that keep popping outside the hood. The lower growth that is shaded...

I have 2 600's an 6 100 watt leds...all independently positionable. It really helps get the light where I need it.

I'd love to max my production..I just don't feel safe doing it yet. The patients I do help get great benefit from this strain. I grow it specifically for Parkinson's..and that's who gets it. Parkinson's patients..mostly because that is who I see at my support groups.

Technically, I break the law all the time. I give PD patients meds, and am not their CG. I'm over on weight every time I dry even one plant. There are so many holes in this law, it's almost impossible to comply completely.

But by staying as minimalistic as I can, I feel that I could win in court should they choose to fuck with me.

I just don't want to see people get busted, when they don't have to. And the best way to do that is to keep your head low.
 
Cory and trevor

Cory and trevor

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.714 grams/watt is about all I'm getting. I figure it from the average final weight of bud for 10 plants. I have a garden set for 4 rows of 3 but move them at 3 week intervals and most don't go 12 so I say 10 for conservative numbers. .714 grams/watt as I understand it. I do not know if that is terrible, fine, great, or unbelievable I reviewed the bible and didnt see the bench mark right off. I have 2 x as much room (sq footage in the flower room) as I use and a split unit AC/dehum keeping it between 67 and 77 at all times in there right now. I duct out the 1K light right now with 1, 6" duct fan. I have one standing osc fan. I have a path to get by the garden and geuss without going in right now that it is 9 feet by 18 feet with 8.5 foot ceiling and the whole area is covered in panda plastic. zippers to get in and out and the other side is part of the full enclosure with the veg area and cure/trim area. I got extra duct fans and ducting and I put a few dead holes in my panda plastic walls cuz it was sucking up the plastic wall when the AC kicked on it's now perfect. I assume adding a flower light inline with the other hood and adding a 6" fan is about all I got to do once I decide on size. That clear up the rooms basic set-up? Whole thing is in one room locked up tight BTW.
 
gladstoned

gladstoned

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Fuck that Bob. You said even Feiger wants you to go for it. Fire up a Pounds for Parkinson's rally and do this shit Bob. You know the suffering people go through and you can do more to help. By you acting you are helping more people and you are simultaneously dropping the price of meds across the board. It doesn't sound like you will over charge patients and blow your money on coke and hookers. But on another note, you may want to try it to make sure it's bad. Then you can say you know what you are talking about when you tell people not to do that shit. jk. kinda.
 
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bob harris

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gladstoned said:
Fuck that Bob. You said even Feiger wants you to go for it. Fire up a Pounds for Parkinson's rally and do this shit Bob. You know the suffering people go through and you can do more to help. By you acting you are helping more people and you are simultaneously dropping the price of meds across the board. It doesn't sound like you will over charge patients and blow your money on coke and hookers. But on another note, you may want to try it to make sure it's bad. Then you can say you know what you are talking about when you tell people not to do that shit. jk. kinda.
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I like hookers...don't do coke. hookers have been in my budget for awhile. How else is a almost 60 year old fat bastard with Parkinson's going to get laid? Hell, hookers are the best therapy I can buy...way more benefit than a meeting with my counselor.

Parts of Europe give disabled people 12 paid visits per year to a bordello...lets get that law passed here! Oh wait..we'd have to accept prostitution like they do overseas....damn, so many battles, so little time.

Yup, I figure I would win in court...but I don't want to be that guy. I'm 7 wins in 7 court appearances. Mostly financial stuff. no 'crimes' Court is a pain..and I don't want to play again.
 
gladstoned

gladstoned

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If they legalize prostitution, our governor will try to limit how far you can stick that fucker in anyway. Try telling you that you can only bust half a load in your hooker at one time also. lmao
 
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bob harris

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gladstoned said:
If they legalize prostitution, our governor will try to limit how far you can stick that fucker in anyway. Try telling you that you can only bust half a load in your hooker at one time also. lmao
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I can comply with that.....got a small dick..so for me that 3 inch rule is plenty. Parkinson'e limits me to half a load..good to go.
 
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bob harris

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Cory and trevor said:
.714 grams/watt is about all I'm getting. I figure it from the average final weight of bud for 10 plants. I have a garden set for 4 rows of 3 but move them at 3 week intervals and most don't go 12 so I say 10 for conservative numbers. .714 grams/watt as I understand it. I do not know if that is terrible, fine, great, or unbelievable I reviewed the bible and didnt see the bench mark right off. I have 2 x as much room (sq footage in the flower room) as I use and a split unit AC/dehum keeping it between 67 and 77 at all times in there right now. I duct out the 1K light right now with 1, 6" duct fan. I have one standing osc fan. I have a path to get by the garden and geuss without going in right now that it is 9 feet by 18 feet with 8.5 foot ceiling and the whole area is covered in panda plastic. zippers to get in and out and the other side is part of the full enclosure with the veg area and cure/trim area. I got extra duct fans and ducting and I put a few dead holes in my panda plastic walls cuz it was sucking up the plastic wall when the AC kicked on it's now perfect. I assume adding a flower light inline with the other hood and adding a 6" fan is about all I got to do once I decide on size. That clear up the rooms basic set-up? Whole thing is in one room locked up tight BTW.
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The thing with grams per watt, grams per sq ft, or any measure of productivity, is that it is sooooo strain dependent.

A girly sativa isn't going to get you good numbers unless you let it go for 14 weeks. Well, you get at least one less harvest per year than most Indica growers...what's that do to the numbers?

A fat heavy Indica may give massive yields, in a shorter time. It really comes down to what you are trying to accomplish. Stoney, heavy pain type meds, yeild way better than highly psychoactive, energizing neurological meds.

The best pheno in any strain, tends to be the lightest yielder. That might not be true, but it sure seems that way.

But whatever you grow, grow for quality. Healthy plants, quality bud..yield will take care of itself.
 
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bob harris

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SketchyGrower said:
most certainly agree with that post bob
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Hey, I'm not anti growing. I'm anti getting arrested. Most busts come from carelessness. Be humble..go unseen...stay off the radar.

In my opinion, there are too many people that want to flaunt...hey, flaunt if you will...but don't cry when you get noticed.
 
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SketchyGrower

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hrmmm, Flaunt... yea, Guess I'd be categorized in that area..

I'll be honest tho... I work, pay bills, and am in the public 90% of the day...(don't drive tho)... and out of the whole day there is not a single soul that knows I even have knowledge what a HPS,GrowLab,GPW,PPM,EC Rare Dankness, Gage Green, Bodhi... online is where I get to enjoy that 10% so, getting excited over a "new" bud you took a pic of or trying to collaborate growing information with someone, having pictures speak more then the best description could ever do. I would never take a picture of more then I'm allowed to grow...(don't think most legal cat's would)...
 
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bob harris

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SketchyGrower said:
hrmmm, Flaunt... yea, Guess I'd be categorized in that area..

I'll be honest tho... I work, pay bills, and am in the public 90% of the day...(don't drive tho)... and out of the whole day there is not a single soul that knows I even have knowledge what a HPS,GrowLab,GPW,PPM,EC Rare Dankness, Gage Green, Bodhi... online is where I get to enjoy that 10% so, getting excited over a "new" bud you took a pic of or trying to collaborate growing information with someone, having pictures speak more then the best description could ever do. I would never take a picture of more then I'm allowed to grow...(don't think most legal cat's would)...
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When I worked, I was a "medicator" among a crowd that frowned upon the thought. Just worked hard to keep things separate. Harder to do than it sounds. kinda like working undercover....I had to blend in..be accepted...without tipping myself off.
 
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SketchyGrower

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bob harris said:
When I worked, I was a "medicator" among a crowd that frowned upon the thought. Just worked hard to keep things separate. Harder to do than it sounds. kinda like working undercover....I had to blend in..be accepted...without tipping myself off.
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one thing I don't do is medicate while working. I just never enjoyed being relaxed in "MY" work environment. I'm unproductive when I'm medicated... Probably why I spend 3-4 hours a night in my grow room..LOL!
 
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bob harris

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SketchyGrower said:
one thing I don't do is medicate while working. I just never enjoyed being relaxed in "MY" work environment. I'm unproductive when I'm medicated... Probably why I spend 3-4 hours a night in my grow room..LOL!
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I didn't medicate AT work...but it would have been frowned upon, had they know I medicated at all...
 
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