I just about give up on this girl and wnat to chop...

Man this is a head Scratcher for me -- sorry in advance LOTS to cover to be as thorough as possible. I have a Short Stuff Super Cali Haze that I just can't seem to nail down with the nutes, and it is still getting worse...don't know if I am under or over feeding. Here is the best timeline I can come up with if any other specifics are needed just ask and I will answer the best I can.

Germ: May 31st (Currently 59 days old)

June 11th seppliments only: about a pint and a half or this mix .7ml each of Rapid start, FloraBlend, Floraicious

June 19th suppliments: about a qt of this mix: 1ml ea. of those three again, and 1ml ea. of Real Growers Recharge and CaliMagic --then someone andvised to stop, so I did--

June 24 1/2 gallon flush with 4ml/gallon mix of FloraKleen

At this point I she started to worry and later I posted this thread (it's short):https://www.rollitup.org/t/why-the-drastic-difference.914479/ and I followed the advice and started feeding full schedule (weak BC I'm growing autos):

July 23 and 27: 1.5 gallons approx. of the following mix (per gallon):
1ml Micro
4ml Grow
5ml Bloom
2ml CaliMagic
1.5ml KoolBloom
2.5ml FloraBlend
1ml Recharge
1ml FASiLLATOR (silicone)

Between those two feeding she started FINALLY frosting up and putting on new growth. And it seemed the yellowing tips and leaves stopped, but now has even come to the new growth and worsened everywhere else...a lot of leaf pruning during this time, but I tried to leave as many somewhat healthier leaves as I could and tipped all fingers on some leaves that were a little worse but not totally yellowed throughout. NOW I have this mottling which seems to had popped up overnight! Please help I f ya can. I will post current photos and will ask if you would like to see the progression that you would visit the 4th page to present in my current grow (about two and a half whole pages total)...link https://www.rollitup.org/t/from-outside-to-inside-auto-variety.910500/page-4

Current pics (even the newest bud leaves are now also yellowing, and this Mottleing is cropped up nearly overnight!):

Definitely don't chop it down, just let it grow until its finished its cycle. This plant will make it, might not be award winning but it will be fine. I would say calm down on all the nutrients and get yourself some Hybrix and some Bud Swell Bat Guano. This isn't an emergency but your gonna want those two products in your arsenal. Next couple of waters just give it regular water with no nutrients kind of a micro flush. Than re introduce your nutrients half off the recommended level for the first water, than follow up with a regular feeding. This plant will be just fine though might now look the best but don't give up on her!

So what is Hybrix? When I google shop it it gives me tennis raquet string lol
So what problems are wee talking about specifically...I'm just confused since the symtoms can look the same for a defficency and and too much of something...that is why I put the schedule up to the best I could recollect and assemble...

So did you ph your feed solution after adding all those wonderful goodies ?

WolfieLee said:

So what is Hybrix? When I google shop it it gives me tennis raquet string lol
So what problems are wee talking about specifically...I'm just confused since the symtoms can look the same for a defficency and and too much of something...that is why I put the schedule up to the best I could recollect and assemble...

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Hybrix is sugar made for plants. Ask your local hydro store and or just fine a nice sugar to give them, its usually made from molasses.

Sugar = mollasses ?

Bud swell bat guano is also a very key nutrient. Make sure you also get some onyx organics all natural pm and spider mite protectant, its good to just use every other week trust me. Keeps bugs and mold away, you can use to eliminate but I use as a preventative, it also has a lot of oils that keep the leaves nice and healthy.

Sugar substitute, Black Strap molasses is often used in feeding schedules, I really like using Hybrix through my run but I'm sure there are other products out there. Hybrix is very affordable.

sorry guys I had to leave on short notice...

Foothills said:

So did you ph your feed solution after adding all those wonderful goodies ?

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All feedings were PHed to 6.5 (just came out that way when mixing was done). the non-nutes waterings all got 7ph well water and always with run-off was 6.5... I added some dodomit Lime a few weeks ago as well...currnet damp soil PHed (with a litmus strip) @6...

I'm not really looking for something to ADD the the list of nute / supplements, either. Sorry I just don't see how adding in anything is going to help...I am pretty sure all that is there is MORE than sufficiant and adding sugar doesn't really tell me WHAT the problem is.....

That's light burn.

Wolf,
Just give them some time. I agree with giving them a good dose of water.
I would look over your nutes and decide on only a few to start with. I grow with FF nutes, only really use two in flower.
But I have never grown autos. They may have special needs.
You'll get it under control.
Good Luck,
WE

Wolf,
So I just read your journal. Well as much as I could anyway. I love pictures but man, way too many for my backwoods internet connection.
Just my opinion, but with all that going on, way too many nutes.
Are you running the T5 or HPS? Saw both mentioned but not sure on what you settled on.
Hope you get it all straightened out. I really think less is better.
WE

Just the T5's right now. (with a CRAP t8 betweent them to fill in the gap for seperation of the T5s) and actully 4got to mention that it's been all water for her since the 23rd (I screwed up about the 27th cuz all BUT this girl got fed that day...I was already sliding toward panic mode with her)

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That's light burn.

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OK...that one resonates with me...I was thingking that yesterday...I try to run the lights as close as possible and none of the other plants are having any type of similar issues as this one (and She is OBVIOUSLY a different Phenotype than my other SCH). So I will raise the rest of the plants up with the lights at the same distance and keep her about , what 4 inches further, 6...? I'll just experiment with it. THANKS very much!

Thanks to everyone! Will keep this updated on the progress/results

WolfieLee said:

Just the T5's right now. (with a CRAP t8 betweent them to fill in the gap for seperation of the T5s) and actully 4 got to mention that it's been all water for her since the 23rd (I screwed up about the 27th cuz all BUT this girls gotr fed that day...I was already sliding toward panic mode with her)



OK...that one resonates with me...I was thingking that yesterday...I try to run the lights as close as possible and noe of the other plants are have any type of similar issues as this one (and She is OBVIOUSLY a different Phenotype than my other SCH). So I

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Leaves curling up is heat stress due to lights being too close, which will also yellow the shit out of your leaves.

Your fans have nice green veins and stems mostly, indicating they have no nutrient flow issues. The only thing that would cause that would be light burn

AWSOME! Not nute issues? That's very good news to these ears, thot I was gonna kill her lol...Ok, as stated...I am heading into the garden riht now to make the adjustment...

WolfieLee said:

AWSOME! Not nute issues? That's very good news to these ears, thot I was gonna kill her lol...Ok, as stated...I am heading into the garden riht now to make the adjustment...

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Stems and veins tell more about nutrients than leaves will.

If they were underfed, you wouldn't have purple fan stems (that's processed sugar waiting to be used). If they were over fed your leaves would be burning and the veins would start becoming red.

But also, try not to confuse yellowing as a nutrient issue when late in flower. The plant will begin to die regardless of how you feed it.

superbak3d said:

Stems and veins tell more about nutrients than leaves will.

If they were underfed, you wouldn't have purple fan stems (that's processed sugar waiting to be used). If they were over fed your leaves would be burning and the veins would start becoming red.

But also, try not to confuse yellowing as a nutrient issue when late in flower. The plant will begin to die regardless of how you feed it.

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Adjustment made, it is at least 6 inches further than it was... Thanks for the info. I am familiar with the "end of life cycle" yellowing and dropping of leaves, but this plant is only halfway through her life cycle, she is a "Super Auto", and this did not look or happen anything like that process to me, anyway.

Thank you once again, I truly appreciate it...will keep this thread posted on her health till she looks out of the woods...

also, look at her "cousin's" latest pictues...her development leap-frogged the other SCH at the early begining, then just started to lag behind in EVERY aspect, as far as bud development...

Those look fine.

Leaf tip curling up is light stress.

Update in a day or 2, and they SHOULD flatten out.

superbak3d said:

Those look fine.

Leaf tip curling up is light stress.

Update in a day or 2, and they SHOULD flatten out.

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Got it...will do