I know...F**K LED lights and everything about them..

I know Fuck LEDs right? But I have been reading along for 4 months about LED and using only the "effective" spectrums and "wavelengths". I know its costly to buy the right gear to produce reasonable enough harvests, but I have spent more money on bullshit lights and overpriced dinners, etc;, and am contemplating throwing away $1400 (U.S. clams) on this light (panel) I saw on ebay. Now, I am not rich by any stretch, but I would like you guys and girls to check out this link and check out this light. Ends on Dec 4th.

http://cgi.ebay.com/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200271434881

So many people have responded negatively to LEDs and qouting that "it will be better in the future, but not now" and such. Have any of you ever used anything like this before? Does anyone here have $1400 to gamble with? Company claims it is 300 watts. There is also a 600 watt behemoth version for like $2.4 million, or some shit. I dunno, it was over $1400 so I didnt give myself a giant hard-on over it or anything..

And here it is:
http://cgi.ebay.com/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200272822562

Alright... I've said enough..
Let me know what you think.

Thanks,
NYK

JUST USE A HPS THAT WELL OVER MY MONEY FOR ANY LIGHT IF IT WAS IN £ i would understand it more

It claims to use only 300 watts of power,but will yeild the same amount of a 1000 watt hid. Sounds good but think about it.You may not have any heat issues, but to efficiently cool a 1000 watt hid you definitely do not need 14hundred dollars worth of equipment. For that kind of money u could buy 3 1000 watt switchables and hoods and ducting along with a 12 inch inline which would cool all 3 of the 1000 watters

It all sounds very convincing eh. And I'd bet your bottom dollar that they probably work fairly well. But are you sure you wanna be the one who throws $1500 at an experiment?? I'm not sure I could. Especially on that scale! I mean, 50 sq. foot coverage is a decent sized grow area and what happens if you grow for 3 months and get shit fluffy bud at the end on all your plants?? At least HPS is tried and tested. And that $1500 could be used to keep a couple 600w HPS bulbs running 24hr for a couple years!!

Dude, no matter how perfect they make the spectrum, the fact is the LEDs CAN NOT PENETRATE the canopy to create those plentiful Big Juicy Buds you get under HID lighting.

Im not doubting you can grow chronic weed under LEDs, but they are gonna be light, fluffy buds and you wont yield very much. Your gonna need to run like 2000w of LED to get the same amount of buds from a 1k HPS

I did a good bit of research, and I think this video pretty much says it all!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=_CtROw3uiVg

Very interesting results I thought..

Honestly, I dont have the $1400 right now to find out... Hell, I dont have 1400 cents to allocate towards an experiment of this magnitude. I really wish someone would buy the damn thing and be done with it though... About the best I've heard here on RIU is a guy with the "UFO" light @ 90watts and the post wasnt all that informative - the rest though has only been speculation and rumors. I would love it if one of RIU's best would throw out some bucks and do a thorough test with it.

My big thing was heat sigs, and staying waayyyyy under the radar with Uncle Sam and the likes.. It seems I live in chopper heaven these days... Maybe I am only noticing it the way one does when they buy a new truck and start to notice how many trucks like theirs are out there on the road. Maybe I never noticed the chops until I lit a 400 watt HPS in a small room. I love my hobby and would like to continue it for years to come. If $1400 will keep me looking cool from the outside, and free up my mind for more creativity and less worry - I would gladly throw a few thousand dollars at these new hunks of shit.

I will wait and see... But somebody somewhere bought one and used it, I wonder what the Hell happened?!?!??!!!

Hey that Youtube vid didnt totally suck. The LED side veged out a bigger tree, but produced less than half the dried crop of the HID side. It clearly won against the HID through veg stage though. Any thoughts on that? And saved a ton in electricity costs. I figured this:


90 Watts @ 24 hours a day = 2160

Now divide 2160 by 1000 = 2.16 Kilowatt Hours per day

Then do 30 days x 2.16 Kwh's = 64.8 per month

And just go 64.8 x .106 (10.6 cents per kwh where i am from) = $6.48 US Dollars per month

That answer/figure using the same equation with a 400watt HID would be = $33.58 USD per month
Which I figured an extra 40 watts of ballast usage for the 400HPS. So 5 times less expensive to grow the same tree as shown on the youtube vid. And that guy was no Dutch grow master, he was just a guy who set up a couple plants in some dirt in some tupperwear and shined some light on em.. Neither of those plants looked all that healthy..Nome sayin?

Now, ramp that 90watt bitch up to a 300w set of LEDs and triple your end result (dried candy) should be more than that of an HPS using 400watts. This is all just using math of course, with no experience with the said product. The LED used in the youtube vid was clearly outwattified (is that even a word) by the 400watt for 300 watts.

For once, I would like to be a part of something that is cutting edge and tell all nay-sayers to go fuck themselves....but until then, I think I just need a house with a basement.

hey "notyourkind" why don't you advertise somewhere people will buy your BULLSHIT... I think the response to LED light is pretty clear if u read the post's..... I DO NOT think a 1,000 watt led will produce the donkey d. 's that a 400-600 watt HPS will... The light is much more intense from MH/HPS, I am not spending a thousand or so dollars to experiment....... I have 350 w HPS/MH mix max of $200 (3 bulb's)..... Guess LED's suck so much u have to advertise on forum's....... Sorry Bro.........

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drinkinsig151 said:

hey "notyourkind" why don't you advertise somewhere people will buy your BULLSHIT... I think the response to LED light is pretty clear if u read the post's..... I DO NOT think a 1,000 watt led will produce the donkey d. 's that a 400-600 watt HPS will... The light is much more intense from MH/HPS, I am not spending a thousand or so dollars to experiment....... I have 350 w HPS/MH mix max of $200 (3 bulb's)..... Guess LED's suck so much u have to advertise on forum's....... Sorry Bro.........

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Hey drinkin-douchebag... Thanks for your reply. I guess in Texas y'all make big statements based on what other people said, and without thinking first. Where I am from, we like to do the math and then make statements based on findings.

I guess I sent the wrong message with my post. I am not a goddamn salesman for LED technology, I'm just a pothead who thought he found something new to look at. I already have a 400w HPS furnace and was concerned about HEAT in small spaces... To drinkin-douche: I bet you wear a t-shirt that has a picture of your 350watt fairy-mix (or whatever you called it) and sit around smoking your half-assed home-grown schwag, championing your setup like it was the one Jesus used to grow his chron... I saw your setup in one of your threads... It sucks.. You use tin-foil as a reflective and are killing your current B Dynamite plant due to a lack of knowledge... You are like many who jump on the condemnation bandwagon and are quick to shit on something different. Yet you have no experience with the product.. Hmmmmmm.... Oh well, at least you are with the popular vote (dickhead).

Youre dumb.... dont post in my threads. Thanks.
-NYK

Dude just to let u know its not tin-foil.. and a mix of hps and mh is better than what u are tryin to bs sell on ebay..... thanks for the input can I douche on your face? Yea u are prob right i am killing my plant thats why its startin to flower niceee.. yea blue dynamite is schwag smart guy, and i never said my setup was bad ass just your LED sucks.... No more time for your dumb ass

The 225 LED panels really aren't that expensive.

I am considering them(possibly lining all four walls and the ceiling of a box) for a grow somewhere down the road, but I also don't have the spare cash to spend a few hundo to a thousand on lighting, let alone experimental lighting.

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Dude just to let u know its not tin-foil.. and a mix of hps and mh is better than what u are tryin to bs sell on ebay..... thanks for the input can I douche on your face? Yea u are prob right i am killing my plant thats why its startin to flower niceee.. yea blue dynamite is schwag smart guy, and i never said my setup was bad ass just your LED sucks.... No more time for your dumb ass

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...This guy learned to write by texting.. I already told you "dont post (text) in my threads". You dont listen too well....

Aaaanyways, Does anyone else think that these LED things would be a good or bad idea? I noticed in some youtube vids that the leaves turn to a very dark color when using LED's. Almost black. Will this turn the buds black like that? I have yet to see someone document with a high power LED system. Anyone know where I might find some journal or vids with a high power LED? The 90 watt LED looks like it grows erraticly and doesnt flower well. However just one LED vs HID vid on youtube doesnt convince me that they are total crap, Especially when the LED side seemed to veg out a bigger plant faster...that is until it flowered (wa-waaa).. So I did a little more research on the maker of this lamp. Says 300 watts is only equal to 6000 lumens (weak). Also says the company name is "BS Lighting" (haaa) from China. Here is the link:

http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/212628854/300W_led_grow_lights_for_greenhouse.html

Anyhow, this is all I've been able to find on the higher power one.

I would love to try 2 or 3 of those 600w, but guess what they are a fucking rip-off and severely overpriced just like any other new electronics, give it time, when there twice as strong and a third of the price everyone will get some.

Maybe a ritch guy on hear willing to gamble some money will purchase 4 or 5 of them 600's and let us know ? I've looked all over the net and can't find any grows using big LED wattage.

Dude, bad idea, stop asking the same stupid question.

Just because you dont like the answers your getting doesnt mean you should keep asking till you hear what you want.

You answered your own dumbasss question when you said the Veg side of LED grew faster. WELL NO SHIT IT DID>

Noone is denying that LED and produce the right spectrum, but that spectrum is absolutely fucking USELESS when your trying to flower some chronic and the LED cant get through the canopy to make some decent buds. PERIOD.

If you dont want to hear that, go waste money on LED lights then come back and tell us how it went.

Its obvious your not going to hear what you want, and if you dont like that Im soirry, but it doesnt change the fact LEDs are NOT WORTH IT right now.

If they Were even Slightly worth it there would be a LOT MORE info from people Using them. But theres isnt any decent info on them because they are a waste of time and money.


Do the math however you want, even if the LED cost 1/10 of the cost of an HID to run, its Also only going to produce about 1/10 of the product an HID will produce.

I dunno about you, but where I live Good Chronic cost a LOT MORE then electricity.

Haaaa......haaa!!

No one asked you to comment. So... Shut the fuck up and dont post in here anymore. I bet you cant resist reading to see if I posted. I already asked that retard 'drinkingsig' to retreat back to where he is from. So 'BCTrippin' can shut his retard mouth too. You guys keep commenting and not fucking off. Whats wrong with you two retards?? You two must be friends or something because niether of you have grown with LED and have absolutley no experience to back up your claims... NONE. Yet you just run your mouths. Stay out of my posts.

Led lights for growing dank are a joke. . sorry notyourkind. so what piece of crap lights have you spent so much money on?? ide like to see your facts on HPS lightning not working to product fat dense sticky buds. . I cant find anything about how many lumens these led lights have. . a 400w hps has 50,000-55,000 do the math however you want. . save a few bucks a month on electricty and waste 3 months for a weak harvest. . i dont think so. . fuck ebay and thier LED scams, i want to see one legit hydro place, or respectable grower pushing these so called lights. . i guarantee its not gonna happen

Alright,
I didnt know I would be offending so many people here by asking a simple question about LEDs... All I asked was if anyone here actually grew anything using LEDs (high powered LEDs) and I keep getting angry assholes calling me "stupid" for asking. But no-one who has posted in my thread has had any actual goddamned expreience with them. Thats just like talking shit about the taste of "chicken" when you've never even tried chicken. Whats up?

.....If no-one here has any actual experience using High powered LEDs, then I am motioning to have this thread closed.......!


-NYK