If our case is lost.....Predictions ?

The Hippy · Nov 15, 2015

Well If Judge Phellan somehow rules against patients and safe and reasonably price home produced meds, where will that leave you ?
I predict those growing now won't roll over easily. I feel many will shut down, some won't. No brainer on that prediction.
But I also predict the Black Market will ramp up and fill in the need.
And thirdly, I predict that LP's WILL NOT see any increase in sales...or at least very little anyway. Shutting down people's personal gardens is not going to go over well...imo. Peoples backs will be gotten up and folks will be angrier than they are now. They will not run to the LP's. Just the opposite will happen.
Forcing folks out of their own meds is only gonna back fire on the LP's. I for one would never purchase from the folks who beat me into the ditch....just the opposite really. You don't make friends by smacking them first.

Good Luck LP's......you will only win with rec being made legal.

VIANARCHRIS · Nov 15, 2015

Not gonna happen. There is no way we will lose our grow rights now for a couple of reasons. First would be the optics of a young government, elected on a pro-marijuana platform, appearing to be anti-MMJ. The old 'government-hates-sick-people' stories in the news are bad for party image. Second is the logistics of creating a for-profit marijuana industry while squeezing out the black market. They have heard our stories and they know the barriers, especially financial, that we face, so banning home grows will just exacerbate the problem. Nearly every other medical marijuana jurisdiction allows home grows, as do most recreational states. I don't see us straying far from that model. I just wish they'd get on with it already!

GrowRock · Nov 15, 2015

VIANARCHRIS said:
Not gonna happen. There is no way we will lose our grow rights now for a couple of reasons. First would be the optics of a young government, elected on a pro-marijuana platform, appearing to be anti-MMJ. The old 'government-hates-sick-people' stories in the news are bad for party image. Second is the logistics of creating a for-profit marijuana industry while squeezing out the black market. They have heard our stories and they know the barriers, especially financial, that we face, so banning home grows will just exacerbate the problem. Nearly every other medical marijuana jurisdiction allows home grows, as do most recreational states. I don't see us straying far from that model. I just wish they'd get on with it already!

You took the words right outta my mouth.... It would be political suicide. To say you will legalize then when you get into power you turn on patients that can't afford the highway robbery know as the mmpr or legal producers. Imo as always

The Hippy · Nov 15, 2015

VIANARCHRIS said:
Not gonna happen. There is no way we will lose our grow rights now for a couple of reasons. First would be the optics of a young government, elected on a pro-marijuana platform, appearing to be anti-MMJ. The old 'government-hates-sick-people' stories in the news are bad for party image. Second is the logistics of creating a for-profit marijuana industry while squeezing out the black market. They have heard our stories and they know the barriers, especially financial, that we face, so banning home grows will just exacerbate the problem. Nearly every other medical marijuana jurisdiction allows home grows, as do most recreational states. I don't see us straying far from that model. I just wish they'd get on with it already!

CalyxCrusher · Nov 15, 2015

I'm staying optimistic. But at the same time let's not forget the Chief CFO of the Federal Liberal Party is Tweeds former CEO. So I'm curious as to how that will play into advising on a legal platform and remaining unbiased in opinion. Because he technically isn't employed by them anymore there is no conflict of interest in pushing an agenda sadly.

VIANARCHRIS · Nov 15, 2015

CalyxCrusher said:
I'm staying optimistic. But at the same time let's not forget the Chief CFO of the Federal Liberal Party is Tweeds former CEO. So I'm curious as to how that will play into advising on a legal platform and remaining unbiased in opinion. Because he technically isn't employed by them anymore there is no conflict of interest in pushing an agenda sadly.

Being a former CEO of an LP, he would know that the recreational market is where the money is, not the sick and poor. There is more than enough room for everyone and reversing Harper's attack on patients will bolster their image while not hurting the LP's bottom line. I don't think the Liberals are looking for any supreme court challenges so early, which is what will happen if Phelan gives the wrong answer. Medical MJ is an easy one to fix until they develop the next mmar/mmpr/mm?? or whatever they come up with.

TheRealDman · Nov 15, 2015

I think our home grows will remain intact, albeit with some actual regulations this time.

torontoke · Nov 15, 2015

Being able to grow your own tobacco hasn't hampered cigarette sales.
Hopefully the same common sense plays out

realmeduser · Nov 15, 2015

VIANARCHRIS said:
I don't think the Liberals are looking for any supreme court challenges so early, which is what will happen if Phelan gives the wrong answer.

I thought that if we are ruled against, only the plaintiffs on paper in this case will be able to appeal and the rest of us are fucked.
This is what I have read on this site in the last week or so.
People were saying we are hooped if he goes against allard.

VIANARCHRIS · Nov 15, 2015

realmeduser said:
I thought that if we are ruled against, only the plaintiffs on paper in this case will be able to appeal and the rest of us are fucked.
This is what I have read on this site in the last week or so.
People were saying we are hooped if he goes against allard.

There is absolutely nothing stopping me, you or any other Canadian from filing a charter rights challenge. Allard doesn't speak for me.

realmeduser · Nov 15, 2015

My prediction is that phelan is going to rule against us, and then the rcmp are going to compare power usage before and after the decision at all of the mmar addresses which they obtained off the MMAR mailout debacle.
Subsequently, they will start kicking in doors of people who don't unplug their lights.
Fortunately, by now I am sure a lot of those addresses are obsolete.
Or gardens have been moved to different addresses, never to be put on a government list again.
Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.
HC Dickrocks.

yester · Nov 15, 2015

torontoke said:
Being able to grow your own tobacco hasn't hampered cigarette sales.
Hopefully the same common sense plays out

And we can brew our own beer (even grow our won hops if we're so inclined) and I don't see breweries suffering...same goes for wine, so it follows that it would be the same for the noble herb.

Princess of Pot · Nov 15, 2015

realmeduser said:
My prediction is that phelan is going to rule against us, and then the rcmp are going to compare power usage before and after the decision at all of the mmar addresses which they obtained off the MMAR mailout debacle.
Subsequently, they will start kicking in doors of people who don't unplug their lights.
Fortunately, by now I am sure a lot of those addresses are obsolete.
Or gardens have been moved to different addresses, never to be put on a government list again.
Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.
HC Dickrocks.

Ugh. I hope not.

Gmack420 · Nov 15, 2015

realmeduser said:
I thought that if we are ruled against, only the plaintiffs on paper in this case will be able to appeal and the rest of us are fucked.
This is what I have read on this site in the last week or so.
People were saying we are hooped if he goes against allard.

No untill allard is settled no one else can proceed with similar claims. All similar Claims such as goldstars are stayed pending allard. Everyone will get their respective day in court. In time. The out come of allard if negative doesn't end all similar cases before the courts. If it's positive it's just a bonus and will make others with similar claims filed that much easier to adjudicate as allard will set precedence.

gb123 · Nov 15, 2015

realmeduser said:
Fortunately, by now I am sure a lot of those addresses are obsolete.
Or gardens have been moved to different addresses, never to be put on a government list again.
Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.
HC Dickrocks.

where have you been ? Medical section??
The only ones who think like you are rnr and itsmehigh

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realmeduser · Nov 15, 2015

gb123 said:
where have you been ? Medical section??
The only ones who think like you are rnr and itsmehigh

"

Me no unnerstand what you mean.
I think everybody should be able to grow medically.
And I believe smart people who are able to have moved their gardens.
I have never tried LP weed.
I bought three types of weed from a reputable compassion club in Vancouver recently. One burned black, one tasted chemmy and produced a headache. The other looked like the trichomes had been deflated or stripped with a solvent with a taste to match. 9 bucks a gram, I was straight up ripped off by the existing "compassionate" dispensary system.
Please explain how I think like mr and itsmehigh.

JungleStrikeGuy · Nov 16, 2015

VIANARCHRIS said:
There is absolutely nothing stopping me, you or any other Canadian from filing a charter rights challenge. Allard doesn't speak for me.

Allard will be a precedent, either way it goes that will affect all future cases.

If Phelan rules in favour of the crown, pending any appeals then you can file all the challenges you want, but if they are on similar grounds in terms of Allard's constitutional issues the court will simply reference Allard et al v Canada and say 'these regulations are constitutionally viable, case dismissed'. The same way if you try and argue you have a constitutional right to use cannabis period, the court will reference R v Mernagh and also say case dismissed.

I wish the Goldstars the best of luck when they are able to get back in court if needed. Phelan's decision will have little to nothing to do with the legislative sphere, so Trudeau will be under no obligation to permit home growing. His focus on 'regulation' and 'keeping it out of childrens hands' is worrying, could very easily make the leap to 'well home grows have the potential for danger so it's better if we just let the LP's do it'.

In any event, Phelan's decision will have huge implications. If he rules in favour of the plaintiffs, Trudeau will have a hard time taking away home growing for rec but allowing it for medical. If it goes the other way, then there's no 'foot in the door' as far as home growing.

doingdishes · Nov 16, 2015

if we lose Allard, there will be a lot of appeals filed from many people.
i am hoping they will see a way that we can produce for ourselves!
it seems so wrong that we have to fight like this to get our medicine....the meds that pharma has/have are way more deadly that MJ will ever be. i don't get it

TheDizzyBizzy · Nov 16, 2015

VIANARCHRIS said:
Not gonna happen. There is no way we will lose our grow rights now for a couple of reasons. First would be the optics of a young government, elected on a pro-marijuana platform, appearing to be anti-MMJ. The old 'government-hates-sick-people' stories in the news are bad for party image. Second is the logistics of creating a for-profit marijuana industry while squeezing out the black market. They have heard our stories and they know the barriers, especially financial, that we face, so banning home grows will just exacerbate the problem. Nearly every other medical marijuana jurisdiction allows home grows, as do most recreational states. I don't see us straying far from that model. I just wish they'd get on with it already!

Surprise surprise the resident Liberal cheerleader defends Chucky and Tweed now. Called it!

TheDizzyBizzy · Nov 16, 2015

doingdishes said:
if we lose Allard, there will be a lot of appeals filed from many people.
i am hoping they will see a way that we can produce for ourselves!
it seems so wrong that we have to fight like this to get our medicine....the meds that pharma has/have are way more deadly that MJ will ever be. i don't get it

We won't 'lose' Allard in that they will give us some small token amount of plants and then Health Canada will be able to drag their feet for months or years. That will make appealing it even harder.

We're fucked. Corporate Cannabis, rah rah rah.

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