If Sanders were to run as an independent...

This is not any kind of troll attempt and I'm not looking to make any kinda gotcha argument to trap anyone. Feel free to comment but voting in the poll might be very useful, please be honest.

I do not like Sanders at all, but primarily, I want to see Trump lose.

I don't make my decisions months in advance like that. Maybe? I live in California and we have the Electoral College, so does it even matter?

PJ Diaz said:

I don't make my decisions months in advance like that. Maybe? I live in California and we have the Electoral College, so does it even matter?

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You didn't vote in the poll. Just be honest. I'm not calling you names or trolling you or being rude in any way. It's hard for me, but I'm sincerely trying to be friendly and not sarcastic.

abandonconflict said:

You didn't vote in the poll. Just be honest. I'm not calling you names or trolling you or being rude in any way. It's hard for me, but I'm sincerely trying to be friendly and not sarcastic.

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I didn't vote in the poll because I don't know yet.

You need to add a poll option for "undecided".

PJ Diaz said:

You need to add a poll option for "undecided".

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I thought about it, but no, at this point Sanders' camp is very ardently zealous. He has a sizeable committed base. This yes or no is a fair question.

I really don't know at this point. Sorry. I'm not a Bernie or no-one voter. It depends who the other someone is.

“Race matters when it comes to immigration. Only 4% of immigrants are white”

Pj Diaz, you are a racist troll and pretender

Ask bugeye and pikachu about how good I am at picking those off

PJ Diaz said:

You opened a whole thread on this. Stop spamming me in multiple threads with the same question. Chill. I answered you there already @inciteconflict

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But you didn't answer. You deflected. What are you afraid of? Here, I'll copy paste this and put it on the other thread so we only have to debate there. Also, notice I am trying to be civil.

To me it's irrelevant what party he runs under. I'd vote for him. I'd vote for others as well. I'd like to see how things play out though as things change with time.

The four votes against Bernie only count insofar as they don't support Bernie. I want to see Bernie supporters vote. If you've gone around for months ardently supporting Bernie, it should be no embarrasment to commit to him in a way that isn't binding and makes no difference in the election.

@schuylaar
@ttystikk
@Padawanbater2
@Shua1991
@eddy600
@xmatox
@Samwell Seed Well
@ChiefRunningPhist

These people are some of the ones who have shown support for Bernie in various threads. Let's see if they would support Bernie if he were to run as an independent. Sorry if you didn't want to be tagged, I'm really not trying to troll, I find this useful as may others. Just vote, feel free to comment.

UncleBuck said:

“Race matters when it comes to immigration. Only 4% of immigrants are white”

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Whoever said that is racist. If it's a Bernie supporter, it lends credibility to my claim that they only support him insofar as he promises implicitly to fracture the DNC, giving power to the GOP. That person is objectively pro-Trump.

i'm with you. trump needs to lose no matter what. that being said, trump and the gop will destroy the dems if they nominate somebody that not only is not a Dem but disparages the Dem party publicly like Barnie.

his ideas are too far left, his plan to pay for his ideas is either non existent or ridiculous.

I don't care what party someone claims, I vote based on policy, and this time around, if they can beat trump.

ChiefRunningPhist said:

To me it's irrelevant what party he runs under. I'd vote for him. I'd vote for others as well. I'd like to see how things play out though as things change with time.

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Thank you for the honesty. It takes a bit of (I was going to say balls, old patterns) to be the first to do something.

actual Barnie quotes for those not paying attention:
"You don’t change the system from within the Democratic Party.”
“My own feeling is that the Democratic Party is ideologically bankrupt.”

“We have to ask ourselves, ‘Why should we work within the Democratic Party if we don’t agree with anything the Democratic Party says?’”

rkymtnman said:

actual Barnie quotes for those not paying attention:
"You don’t change the system from within the Democratic Party.”
“My own feeling is that the Democratic Party is ideologically bankrupt.”

“We have to ask ourselves, ‘Why should we work within the Democratic Party if we don’t agree with anything the Democratic Party says?’”

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This is my concern as well.

abandonconflict said:

This is my concern as well.

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he will get destroyed in tv ads with these quotes by the GOP

but the Dem candidate will need his voters to beat trump.
so kinda stuck b/t a rock and a hard place

rkymtnman said:

he will get destroyed in tv ads with these quotes by the GOP

but the Dem candidate will need his voters to beat trump.
so kinda stuck b/t a rock and a hard place

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I hope he doesn't do again as he did in 2016 but I still would rather not see him with the nomination.

rkymtnman said:

i'm with you. trump needs to lose no matter what. that being said, trump and the gop will destroy the dems if they nominate somebody that not only is not a Dem but disparages the Dem party publicly like Barnie.

his ideas are too far left, his plan to pay for his ideas is either non existent or ridiculous.

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He's also miserable and cranky. Not electable