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I have had an offer from a gentleman that is willing to lend time and experience helping with digital media for a campain. I like the idea of a all for one campain where anyone can get involved by speaking out about the facts and raising awareness.

Anti tobacco campain is " truth". Anti drug war campain: "the honest truth".

Cory and trevor said:

Oh Bob. "I'm not, you are". I had that fight today with my 5 year old, that is the exact defense he used. May I ask how many free certifications you have done? Please don't, answer I don't care. Its off topic and the start of a fight....one you like to start when threads deteriorate rapidly....the same point at which you post usually. Theman is a big time giver of time space knowledge and helps alot of people. He is a man to be respected in this community, I for one don't appreciate the way you treat him and others on here when you get on your horse and dictate the way it is and should be. I cant ever figure out what you want or how you help this cause. you say things about what you do and where you go and how you help but nobody on here seems to jump to your defense for very damn long. You see theman helps people like me and a few others that I have met personally and spoke with. I can't find anyone (and I tried) with a kind word about you. you're abrasive and repellent in your posts. This is how you act and speak to your peers (yeah, we are, live with it) how do you speak to your adversaries? I can't see you getting anywhere with the opposition when you piss off your constituents so quickly and so often.

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Hundreds of free certs over the last couple of years. And a 1/2 price clinic in Grayling every two weeks I take home nothing for, just to make sure folks never have to go without simply because they don't have the money. Go check my schedule at www.drbobmmj.com and you will see I've done it in Grayling or Clare for years.

Dr. Bob

Huel Perkins said:

I still think you're missing the point here...

My priorities / interests are not in caregivers being able to illegally sell overages, just ask the many people on here who have met me that I've given free meds to. My point is, it should be much easier for patients to obtain the meds they need and it shouldn't have to involve acts of god, being lucky and jumping through hoops to do so.

The current laws making patient to patient transfers illegal isn't stopping crime, its just hurting patients...

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I agree with you completely. Even wrote an article on it.

Dr. Bob

Dr. Bob, I was hoping you might address in your own opinion how the world would turn if the drug war were to "end". How might that affect your business, etc. From a professional opinion, is it not in your best interest to support the war?

(folks, please respect each others opinions and resort to debate rather than argument. Thanks)

"Bob please dont feel targeted, not my intent. I am respecting your opinion by asking for it. Thank you."

Woodsmantoker~

Of course wood. Very little of my practice is still certifications, so really not much. I do a lot of them, but so much more pain management, suboxone and other interests it is a small part of the whole.

Here is the article I wrote back in 2012.,,

Why I Favor Legalization
07 January 2012
Dr. Robert Townsend
Honestly, having worked in the field of cannabis certifications and having been very active politically in the medical marijuana community, I think my opinions count for something.

Here is what I am seeing:

Contrary to what I've been taught marijuana actually does seem to be a relatively effective medication for a variety of conditions- seizures, pain, crohn's disease, glaucoma, and nausea; just to name a few. Marijuana is a viable alternative to narcotic pain control with far fewer side effects.

There is a coordinated effort on the part of policymakers to maintain the status quo- wild claims that marijuana is addictive, a gateway drug, causes mental illness, has no medical use, etc. The counter marijuana forces do not present medical or scientific data, instead using 'we want to protect puppies and children from the evil weed' to tug at our heartstrings rather than appeal to our reason.

Public opinion is CLEARLY shifting toward acceptance of not only the medical use, but the legalization of marijuana. Recent voter initiatives starting with the MMMA in 2008, and most recently in Kalamazoo which declared enforcement of marijuana laws for low quantities in adults were to be given the lowest law enforcement priority. National and local polls continue to show the public supports medical use and for the first time since they started the polls in 1969, the majority actual favors legalization.

Despite the clear turn of public opinion and science, Law Enforcement continues to ignore the will of voters and say nothing has changed and if they can't enforce state laws prohibiting the use of marijuana, they will simply use the federal statues to do what THEY wish to do. And it isn't about protecting children, it is about keeping jails busy and property rooms full of seized assets. And they plan on using local enforcement of federal law, zoning, and lawsuits to do it.

What is needed here is a CLEAR signal to our leaders. This is not an issue of protecting the public from marijuana, it is an issue of CONTROL and financial gain by law enforcement and political powers that be. We need to remind our leaders who is truly in control, we are.

I've never used marijuana, the only harm I've EVER seen come from it's use is unnecessary law enforcement and the destruction of lives and future potential, not from the medication or even the recreational use of the substance, but from the exposure to the criminal justice system by otherwise law abiding citizens just trying to live their lives in the privacy of their homes.

My vote is to legalize the possession and use of small, personal quantities by adults. We thought we gave some protections to patients with the MMMA of 2008, but as we have seen Law Enforcement is simply finding creative ways to bypass the Act and continue 'business as usual'. Too often they rely on 'technicalities' to prosecute people that are clearly trying to obey the law, but made small mistakes. While the recent Clinical Relief Ruling in Oakland county is encouraging- in that case a business opened and followed all the rules and regulations, even to the point of a police 'walk through' to make sure everything was in compliance, they were still aggressively raided, patients arrested, and one of the owners died as a result of a heart attack following the raid. We need to bring the police into check and stop the 'business as usual' despite changing public sentiment. Legalization will do that.

Dr. Bob Townsend

PS, and before you anti's out there say I have a dog in this fight as a certification physician, I just want to remind everyone of the fact that if small quantities are legalized for everyone, there is no longer a need for certification and I'll have to change fields. So in reality, I am recommending you put me out of a job.

- See more at: http://www.drbobmmj.com/component/content/article/186-dr-bob-s-blog/111-why-i-favor-legalization.html?highlight=WyJsZWdhbGl6YXRpb24iXQ==#sthash.ieV5OV2x.dpuf

For that matter, here is a posting from the MMMA I wrote today, a reprint of a comment I posted in the MP Morning Sun...

These forfeiture laws are nothing more than policing for dollars. So many times, they are simply used as 'leverage' to force pleas. Most, if not all, of the cases I've seen are simple 'snatch and grabs' in the course of a raid, as my experience is with medical marijuana patients and caregivers. Lights, cars, small amounts of cash (ie what is in the patient's pocket or on the dresser), plants, etc are taken, and large bonds are required to get them back.
Remove the financial incentives and let the police and prosecutors return to doing what the taxpayers PAY them to do, solve crimes, keep our communities safe, and deal with actual criminals.
Prosecutors should prosecute criminals, not sue for financial gain. Who gets this money? The police. You want to keep the laws on the books and use them to financially 'punish' drug offenders? How about mandate the proceeds go to charity, not the police departments and prosecutors.
Dr. Bob

Some of your better statements Dr Bob. I have come to the conclusion of late that by not addressing and disbanding the machine that brought/brings us the war against marijuana, it will simply not end. Given all the legal games over the past five years that MJ patients and caregivers have been assaulted with, I believe Michigan could lead the way in legislating out all of the predators: "Police, product manufacturers, labs for testing (pre- and post-conviction), defense lawyers and staff, prosecution lawyers and staff, judges and staff, jail staff, contractors providing food and other products for inmates, probation officers, counselors for court-ordered drug rehab and on and on ad nauseum." The only question now is how

Personally, I think that revising the seizure laws is the most 'doable' and immediate thing we can do. There is some support in the legislature for this. Stop the enforcing for dollars.

Dr. Bob

I've never understood how this government propagandized prejudice against drugs and users has allowed for the abandonment of the 4th Amendment so clearly granted those exact citizens The means to the ends seems criminal at this point IMO ... Although, with LEO and government administrators already struggling with budgets and protected from any liability, they will not easily give up that cash cow.

I believe grandfathering in simple possession legalization as well may free up some government resources as it does our brethren At least it would be another simple step to address some actual problems.

If there were to be a "sit in" type rally that only grew and did not end, welcoming all walks of life to join in demanding change, would you join me?

Woodsmanstock!

TheMan13 said:

If a Patient in need of MJ finds a pot Doc and gets their card from LARA without a Caregiver (hundreds of dollars and months later), how would you suggest they legally obtain medication (if still alive) at that point?

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Under section 8.

tomcatjones said:

ACTUALLY.......

from the recent CoA ruling.... IT IS like entrapment... and they know it.. and quoted...

"Similar to entrapment, § 4 immunity does not negate any element of a marijuana-related
crime; rather, it provides immunity from arrest, prosecution, or penalty to marijuana users who
meet certain delineated requirements.3
MCL 333.26424. Like a defendant who proves
entrapment, a defendant is entitled to dismissal of any marijuana-related charges if he or she
qualifies for § 4 immunity under the MMMA"

At GREG S... please... join us here at https://www.facebook.com/groups/thsmi/ much conversation regarding on going cases and procedure. could use any from you as well as maybe gain something. just a good resource for on-going cases in the state as well..

www.ths-mi.org as well. 16 cases in the state just by word of mouth

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Wow! Just. Wow! Thanks for the invitation. I need to find out how to post.

Thanks! Just. Thanks!

I see VV is involved. He is a good boy.

Dr. Bob said:

Cut off access? I do believe folks can grow their own or have a caregiver, as the law says, can't they?

Dr. Bob

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I think what he is saying is sure you can grow your own or have your caregiver grow it ... but where do you get the seed or plant that your going to grow... if patients can only get plants from their caregiver and their caregiver can only get it from themselves where does the first plant come from

d3dm4n said:

I think what he is saying is sure you can grow your own or have your caregiver grow it ... but where do you get the seed or plant that your going to grow... if patients can only get plants from their caregiver and their caregiver can only get it from themselves where does the first plant come from

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A patient can name any person who meets the qualifications as a caregiver (over 21, not a drug felon, &c) as their caregiver. All that is necessary is to name someone with genetics you want and maintain that relationship under the AD while you complete the transaction. Afterward, you can do whatever you want with them.

Greg. You have made the same point in a number of ways, and were all well aware of the fact that weed and seedy weed are on every other street corner inamerica and can be purchased by children, but whats concerning about your consistant reideration is how directional your comments are and In the opposite direction of the topic. Are you intentionally diverting from the subject and context? What alternative motive could you have to be curbing conversation regarding the specific topic?

"all that needs to be done is name someone with genetics", no no no! wrong! What needs to be done, is conversation regarding the specific topic and not diversion. The rules do not give avenue for legal first access without presumption that illegal accessed cannabis is required in order to have possession or "an illegal first transaction". Argue that! You can't. Its that fact of the matter and should lead to further debate about resolve etc.

I HAVE HIRED TWO ATTNY'S WHO AGREE. One in Michagan, one in Alaska.