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Pool

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And an excerpt from:
"The Marijuana Growers Guide"
by Mel Frank and Ed Rosenthal

17.4 Sexing the Plants
The female plant is more desirable than the male for marijuana cultivation. The female flowering clusters (bus) are usually the most potent parts of the harvest. Also, given room to develop, a female generally will yield twice as much marijuana as her male counterpart. More of her weight consists of top-quality buds.
Because the female yields marijuana in greater quantity and sooner you can devote your attention to nurturing the females. Where space is limited, such as in indoor gardens and small outdoor plots most growers prefer to remove the males as soon as possible, and leave all available space for the females. To harvest sinsemilla (seedless female buds), you must remove the male plants before they mature and release pollen.
Differences in the appearance of male and female Cannabis become more apparent toward maturation. During the seedling stage, gender is virtually impossible to distinguish, although in some varieties the male seedling may appear slightly taller and may develop more quickly.
We know of no way to discover gender with any certainty until each plant actually forms either pollen-bearing male flowers or seed-bearing female flowers. However, certain general characteristics may help. Using guidelines like the following, growers who are familiar with a particular variety can often predict gender fairly accurately by the middle stage of the plant's life.
Early Vegetative Growth
After the initial seedling stage, female plants generally develop more complex branching than the male. The male is usually slightly taller and less branched. (Under artificial light, the differences in height and branching are less apparent throughout growth.)
Some plants develop a marked swelling at the nodes, which is more common and pronounced on female plants.
Middle Vegetative Growth
In the second to fourth months of growth, plants commonly form a few isolated flowers long before the actual flowering stage begins. These premature flowers are most often found between the eighth and twelfth nodes on the main stem. Often they appear near each stipule (leaf spur) on several successive nodes, at a distance two to six nodes below the growing tip. These individual flowers may not develop fully and are often hard to distinguish as male or female flowers. The fuzzy white stigmas of the female flower may not appear, and the male flowers seldom opens but remains a tightly closed knob. However, the male flower differs from the female; it is raised on a tiny stalk, and the knob is symmetrical. The female flower appear stalkless and more leaflike.
The presence of premature female flowers does not assure that the plant is a female, but premature male flowers almost always indicate a male plant. Unfortunately, it is much less common for male plants to develop premature male flowers than for female flowers to appear on either plant. For example, in one garden of 25 mixed-variety plants, by age 14 weeks, 15 plants showed well-formed, premature female flowers with raised stigmas. Eight of these plants matured into females and seven became males. Only two plants showed premature male flowers and both of these developed into males. The eight remaining plants did not develop premature flowers or otherwise distinguishable organs until the actual flowering stage at the age of 21 weeks. From these eight, there were four females, three males, and one plant bearing both male and female flowers (hermaphrodite). It does seem, however, that plants bearing well-formed female flowers, on several successive node, usually turn out to be females.
Preflowering
In the week or two prior to flowering and throughout flowering, many common marijuana varieties follow two general growth patterns which depend on gender. With these varieties, you can tell gender by the spacing between the leaves (internodes). For the female, the emphasis is on compact growth. Each new leaf grows closer to the last, until the top of the plant is obscured by tightly knit leaves. The male elongates just prior to showing flowers. New growth is spaced well apart and raises the male to a taller stature. This may by the first time the male shows its classic tall, loosely arranged profile.
 

Pool

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Another excerpt from:
"Marijuana Growers Handbook"
By: Ed Rosenthal (once again)

There are several methods used to sex plants early. Since mari-
juana flowering is regulated by the number of hours of uninter-
rupted darkness, it is easy to manipulate the plant's flowering cycle.
Young plants can be forced to indicate by putting them under a
long night regimen. The plants will begin to indicate within a few
days and after 10 days, fast growing plants should have clearly
defined flowers. Once the plants indicate, the males can be
separated from the females, and the garden can be returned to the
vegetative growth cycle simply by changing the light regimen back
to the long day/short night.
 

Pool

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I did find some info on-line about a grower who pre-sexes, but they use craploads special CFL's that are hotter than most, with a high lumen output. This forces the plant to think it's in fall, showing preflowers.

Lots of cannabis will show flower before 12/12, but it's not natural.
 

DND

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Nice read Pool,

No argument with anything, but my guess is I have a female with all the preflowers with pistils showing. I am going to use the bag technique on a branch just to make sure though. I'll let ya know what it turns out to be.
 

DND

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I figured instead of starting another cloning thread that I'll shove it in here. These are clones taken from the believed males that I chopped 2 weeks ago and put them into a container with some water at the bottom of my refrigerator. I will start to flower these as soon as/if they root to make sure they are indeed males. If they are female I will keep them, if not I'll just toss them. I have never tried to root a clone, let alone ones kept dormant so this is strictly experimental. Hopefully the results are good and I get some good practice. I know there are a set of guidelines for cloning, but I like simple and easy. So I ignored all the rules except for certain ones like use sterile tools to keep everything clean and the other obvious ones like misting, using a humidity dome and light.
 

DND

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Here is what I did and used. I used rubbing alcohol pads to clean the scissors, razor blade and my fingertips after washing up.

Soaked my 1"x1" stater rockwool plugs in a gallon jug with filtered water for 4 hours. I know the PH of my tap water is around 7.4, but I don't know if the filter brings it up or down. (Didn't PH the water, but I read that you should PH it to anywhere from 5.0-6.4)

I cut the stems of 7 clones under water at approximately a 45 degree angle and stuck them directly into the rockwool. 3 of them I cut the fan leaves to see if they root faster than the others. Will post results. (Didn't use a rooting hormone as most suggest)

I misted and stuck them under 2 4' cool white fluorescent lights about 5" from the top. Hopefully in a few days I will see some roots!

I did it this way because with inspiration of posters like fdd2blk and others who continue to grow monster plants with only the basics...light, water, food and love. I too have bought into the idea that these plants are simple weeds and thrive with all the above. No more BS additives that promise greater results etc. I'll let genetics and nature take their course and see where I end up. Pics to come. Wish me luck.
 

Pool

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As long as you've got the dome over them, they should root. For future clones though, as you pointed out, get some rooting hormone :P

Gel works best imo.
 
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