Inda-gro Induction...

Hello "Inda-gro Induction" thread!

I just wanted to chime in as a n00b grower who took the plunge into electro magnetic light generation. Like a lot of folks I simply could not run HID lights. My number one issue with HID is that I am constrained by the wattage I can draw at my location. Additionally though, I just don't believe HIDs are 100% safe. Anything that gets so hot as to require its own dedicated cooling system is just a poor design (heat=waste), and intrinsically hazardous. In a list of things I don't want to do, burning down my apartment building competes aggressively for the top spot.

Anywho, I dropped the bank roll on a pair of 420s and couldn't be happier. As a n00b I was told to expect a fair amount of failure on my first grow, but so far only one of my couple dozen plants has failed. I've visited other grows running HIDs with ballasts, and I love my cool and quiet set-up. Stealthyness was another requirement, so just removing the additional noise and over-head of the cooling system required by HID has been a huge win.

I'm about to enter flowering with my first crop, and while I think I've done a sub-optimal job of pruning my ladies, I think I have a pretty handsome crop so far. The advice I received as I was setting up my grow was to do things exactly the way everyone has always done them. Go with what has proven to work, I was advised. I'm super glad I ignored that advice as it regards my lighting. The reduced heat, along with resulting decrease in electrical consumption and increase in safety and stealthiness makes my grow a sustainable effort.

Here are some pics of my ladies and my lights:

congrats on the 420s!

the girls look healthy, thats for sure. as for training and whatnot, it'll just take some time and experience to find your style.

i would suggest, however, that you consider thinning the bottom undergrowth off the plants before you flip them to 12/12. that way the bud sites are focused into the top of the canopy where the light is most intense. those small bottom buds would only be "freeloaders" in comparison to the top sites anyways (requiring more sugars for their own growth than they are able to make locally with their diminished light exposure).

keep up the good work, tho! i can't wait for more of your updates!

Splifferous said:

congrats on the 420s!

the girls look healthy, thats for sure. as for training and whatnot, it'll just take some time and experience to find your style.

i would suggest, however, that you consider thinning the bottom undergrowth off the plants before you flip them to 12/12.

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Thanks Spliff! I'm working on lollipopping now, but figured I shouldn't take more than ten percent of the growth off at a time. Since I did no pruning at all until about seven days ago I'm giving the girls a couple days to recover between pruning sessions. I'll be taking another set of three branches from the bottoms tonight.

Thanks again for the encouragement Spliff!

what we were taught in my horticulture classes and such, is that you can safely prune off 1/3 of a healthy plant without stressing it. that reduces the load on the roots that the topside biomass exerts, but when it goes into the dark cycle, the smaller plant needs to sustain the proportionally larger root mass. hence the 1/3 restriction and that it should be healthy for that. i have put a heavy pruning on stressed plants before and then gave them 2 days or so of 24 hour light so they would not stop photosnythesizing in that time, and i wouldn't have to worry about issues of the plant feeding too large of a root mass in the dark. recovery was explosive. you can also prune the roots when you do a heavy topside trim, to maintain a more even root:shoot ratio.

i cant wait for your next update!

Splifferous said:

what we were taught in my horticulture classes and such, is that you can safely prune off 1/3 of a healthy plant without stressing it. that reduces the load on the roots that the topside biomass exerts, but when it goes into the dark cycle, the smaller plant needs to sustain the proportionally larger root mass.

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Yikes, 33% of foliage can be pruned on healthy plants?! I definitely could not sustain a 33% loss of my biomass. What tough little ladies they are. Thanks for info. I'll definitely be a bit more aggressive tonight, and hit them with a 24 hour cycle for a couple of days per your suggestion. Thanks!

I'm not aware of how the canopy supports the root mass. I guess I just thought the roots were there to serve the canopy. What's the nature of the symbiosis of root v. canopy? How does the canopy serve the root system?

viciousesque said:

Yikes, 33% of foliage can be pruned on healthy plants?! I definitely could not sustain a 33% loss of my biomass. What tough little ladies they are. Thanks for info. I'll definitely be a bit more aggressive tonight, and hit them with a 24 hour cycle for a couple of days per your suggestion. Thanks!

I'm not aware of how the canopy supports the root mass. I guess I just thought the roots were there to serve the canopy. What's the nature of the symbiosis of root v. canopy? How does the canopy serve the root system?

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the canopy makes the sugars that feed the roots. you can basically think of the roots and shoots as opposites, in a sense...

roots v. shoots (aka white or green?)
the green parts of plants can photosynthesize. the roots cannot photosynthesize.
photosynthesis results in CO2 production.
roots take in water and nutrient ions, but need carbs and oxygen to stay alive and happy.
so the roots give the shoots the raw materials that they need to make the sugars (that the roots need).

Splifferous said:

so the roots give the shoots the raw materials that they need to make the sugars (that the roots need).

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So Brawndo is not what plants need?

[video=youtube;g5Q-yNNu-tM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5Q-yNNu-tM&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/video]

lolwtf...

ever hear of powerthirst?

en garde:
[video=youtube;qRuNxHqwazs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRuNxHqwazs[/video]

Haven't watched that video in like the better part of a decade lol^^^ throwback youtube clip

Hi yall! Thought I'd post up day 18 pics showing vigorous growth and flower formation starting to stack up under this setup. I'm digging it so far.

I'm getting through this run on a 12/12 but I'm thinking I might want to do the next run on a 2 week 18/6 veg and 14/10 flowering cycle to see the differences.

Splifferous said:

...so the roots give the shoots the raw materials that they need to make the sugars (that the roots need).

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Woa. Symbioses. Beautiful.

But, if roots can't live without shoots, and shoots can't live without roots, what came first, roots or shoots? Think about it. It'll make you go 'woa'.

The tap root is firrst

technically, shoots can live without shoots for a period of time... hence cloning.

in a seed, tho, the cotyledons are already in there along with the radicle and epicotyl. when it germinates, it sprouts the tap root first. so on a technicality, the tap root is the first thing the new plant pushes out from the seed shell; the cotyledons and whatnot in the seed were made by the mother plant, as she formed the seed.

viciousesque said:

Woa. Symbioses. Beautiful.

But, if roots can't live without shoots, and shoots can't live without roots, what came first, roots or shoots? Think about it. It'll make you go 'woa'.

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The root is the shoot.
From da rooter to da shooter

dolamic said:

The root is the shoot.
From da rooter to da shooter

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Now that's the answer I was looking for

the shoot can turn into roots as well though! bury your stem, see what happens.... plants are f'ing amazing....
Chaz you prob said but what strain are those? Lookin good mane.

thanks natro and you're right, plants are amazing! We're working with an OG Kush and a Lemon Skunk this run. Ahh the aroma is blessed!!!

Been four weeks. Here are some pics of the girls. SWMBO calls them Sybil cause there is more than one in the pot.

Question 1: Should I veg these a little longer to fill in the front of the screen, or will that happen after going 12/12?



Question 2: Do I cut out any of these leaves? I already have taken out most of the bud sites under here.

Man if you could hold off on the flip and fill that sog up I think it would be worth the wait. Whadya think another 8-10 days maybe? It looks good now but imagine it filled. You're almost there!