injunction/court case updates

ricky1lung

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the key words are "reasonable". It was outlined in the decision, and the new MMPR will be a result of the findings in the decision. It seems pretty clear to me what's going to happen, it's spelled out in the decision.if there are 300 LP's there will be no need for "DG's" and patients will be allowed to produce for their personal needs, step out of that frame work and sell your meds. And there will be consequences. With 300 LP's there's a pretty good chance there will be several quality producers, the shitty ones will be left in the dust and fold. Storefronts must be included in the new regs. That's important for reasonable access, I foresee cc/disp. Needing to buy from a licensed producer, no more BM/grey market in theses store fronts, it will be regulated where the product comes from.

Itsme.

Unfortunately reasonable does not mean exclusive access to free or cheap meds.
Reasonable is just allowing people easy access. May that be home grows or an approved producer.

There will be a need for some dg's outside of lp's, but that might be limited to residents of the dwelling or land which the patient resides in/on that has been approved to produce. If they move, the patient could be screwed Into going lp or doing without until they have another resident approved to grow for them.

I don't think there will be many offsite dg's approved unless they're licenced by the gov to do so (lp's) and can meet strict criteria.
 
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gb123

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So you can make educated replies instead of talking out of your ass about something you know very little about. Read the decision then come back and we can have an intellectual conversation about facts not hearsay.

Itsme.

I'll leave the intellect with you...

cheers big ears.
 

itsmehigh

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Unfortunately reasonable does not mean exclusive access to free or cheap meds.
Reasonable is just allowing people easy access. May that be home grows or an approved producers.

There will be a need for some dg's outside of lp's, but that might be limited to residents of the dwelling or land approved to produce. If they move, the patient could be screwed Into going lp or doing without until they have another resident approved to grow for them.

I don't think there will be many offsite dg's approved unless they're licenced by the gov to do so (lp's) and can meet strict criteria.
I tend to agree with you, that's is the sentiment I got from actually reading the decision and making an informed opinion.

Itsme.
 

redi jedi

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I disagree, that's on the likes as saying that lab bats is done because of home brewing. I think that licences produces have a place in the system, many people will choose to buy over produce. I agree that the current "market" is a farce but with more competition it could work.

Itsme
I hear ya but I really feel the only medical users purchasing from LP's will be the few with subsidy...vets and such.
 

itsmehigh

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Judging by the traffic in my local grow shop...anyone that could afford LP weed, is taking a crack at growing :)
And I predict a huge increase on Craigslist for used grow equipment in 4 months when people realize that growing isn't for everybody. It takes passion, commitment and a bit of skill to cultivate sucseesful gardens. From my experience most people are too lazy to follow through with their ambitious plans. In this day and age people are all about convince, or they would grow their own produce and veggies, not spent $12 for a head of organic calliflower.

Itsme.
 

TheRealDman

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Unfortunately reasonable does not mean exclusive access to free or cheap meds.
Reasonable is just allowing people easy access. May that be home grows or an approved producers.

There will be a need for some dg's outside of lp's, but that might be limited to residents of the dwelling or land approved to produce. If they move, the patient could be screwed Into going lp or doing without until they have another resident approved to grow for them.

I don't think there will be many offsite dg's approved unless they're licenced by the gov to do so (lp's) and can meet strict criteria.
If you read the judgement as you said, then clearly you seen the parts where Phelan felt that the public health risks...etc that HC "experts" were spewing was completely bogus. He did agree, that with professionals advise homegrows can be completely safe.
Also, to someone else's point of cannabis being over prescribed in Canada as compared to other countries, re-read the judgement...Phelan completely disregarded the Netherland and Israeli testimony as irrelevant to what goes on in Canada.
 

ricky1lung

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If you read the judgement as you said, then clearly you seen the parts where Phelan felt that the public health risks...etc that HC "experts" were spewing was completely bogus. He did agree, that with professionals advise homegrows can be completely safe.
Also, to someone else's point of cannabis being over prescribed in Canada as compared to other countries, re-read the judgement...Phelan completely disregarded the Netherland and Israeli testimony as irrelevant to what goes on in Canada.

It's not home grows I'm worried about. It's what they might do to force lp's again.
I know homegrows can be safe and the fear mongering is bs. You can have as many ferns in your house as you want and never be called out for fire or mold concerns.

IMO they will legislate and be careful to protect the interests of themselves, their buddies and legal business, which we all, already know go hand in hand with the libs and mj production.

Public health concerning homegrows has always been bogus with some exceptions like commercial scale grow houses with bored out foundations, stolen elec and 1000 plants. Normal home grows don't fit that criteria.
 

OGEvilgenius

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It's my assumption because people will be allowed to grow their own so access is there.

The hitch is keeping lp's satisfied during the forced changes and decreased revenue. There will be some who go under because of this.

I'm speculating, but it's easy to assume new dg rules could force people who choose a dg to use an lp type who is federally licensed to "guarantee" the "quality" and "safety" of meds. (That's how it would be packaged and sold to the general public).

It will help lp's get through until rec is legal. Which, still has no timeframe. I'm sure this ruling will speed up the process because friends of the party have much to lose if rec doesn't come quick.
The LP's are not operating with a business model that is legitimate under current rulings and regs. Let the fuckers go out of business.
 

itsmehigh

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this is #78, please direct me to your point.

In my view, the weight of the evidence presented in this Court is that:

  • the medically appropriate dose may depend on individual tolerance, particular

    potency of strains (e.g. the CBD and THC rations), the route of administration and

    the content of the edibles;

  • Canada has an exceedingly high dosage and the reasons suggested for this were

    vastly speculative;

  • many of the experts agree that there is a U-shape effect, where after a certain

    amount, the medicinal effect of the cannabis is limited;

  • the recommended amount is largely agreed upon as 1-5 grams per day; and

  • there is insufficient evidence to determine why dosages in Canada are so high and

    what the effect on patients would be if they were to consume less than currently prescribed.


    Itsme.
 

VIANARCHRIS

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Medical pot patients can grow their own weed, says court; over to you, feds

VANCOUVER - VANCOUVER - Grow it if you need it, says the Federal Court.

A judge ruled Wednesday that medical marijuana patients have the right to grow their own stash.

Judge Michael Phelan called current legislation introduced by the former Conservative government that barred medical marijuana patients from growing their own cannabis "arbitrary and overbroad."

The federal Liberal government now has six months to create a new medical marijuana regime.

People who held licences can continue to grow their own marijuana in the meantime.

About 28,000 people held licences under the old regime and are covered by that injunction.

The constitutional challenge was launched by four British Columbia residents who argued that the 2013 Marijuana for Medical Purposes Regulations blocked their access to affordable medicine.

"Their lives have been adversely impacted by the imposition of the relatively new regime to control the use of marijuana for medical purposes," Phelan wrote.

"I agree that the plaintiffs have ... demonstrated that cannabis can be produced safely and securely with limited risk to public safety and consistently with the promotion of public health."

Kirk Tousaw, a lawyer for the plaintiffs, hailed the decision as a victory not just for medical pot patients, but all Canadians.

"The health minister, prime minister, they need to act very quickly. Don't wait the six months. Don't come up with a lame and weak response as the previous governments have."

Health Minister Jane Philpott said it was too early to say if the government would appeal. She said she will be working with the Justice Department to ensure there's an appropriate regulatory regime in place.

The Liberal government has committed to legalizing recreational marijuana, but has said little about any plans for medical marijuana since being elected.

Philpott said recreational and medical cannabis should be treated as "two separate issues."

Canada's system involving licensed producers has grown into a multi-million dollar industry, and the decision caused stock prices to dip. Canopy Growth Corp. share prices on the on the TSX Venture Exchange had dropped about 7% as of Wednesday afternoon.

Mark Zekulin, president of Tweed Marijuana Inc., a subsidiary of Canopy, said it would be "heartbreaking" if the federal government shut down the licensed-producer system entirely. But he doesn't expect that will happen.

"We've built a world-class facility ... and are producing very high quality product that you can't get anywhere else," he said. "I don't think six months from now it's just going to get shuttered and people are going to be out of jobs."

Peace Naturals CEO Mark Gobuty said personal growers and larger licensed producers can co-exist.

"We're all allowed to grow tomatoes and cucumbers at home, but how many of us do?" he asked. "If that is what's in the best interest of all Canadians, then I'm all for it."

But Ronan Levy of Canadian Cannabis Clinics, a network of Ontario medical marijuana clinics, said allowing people to grow their own marijuana might make doctors more wary of prescribing it.

"Can you imagine what it would be like if you went to a doctor, they prescribe antibiotics, and you got to go home and mix up your own antibiotics? I don't think doctors are going to be comfortable with that," he said.
 

TheRealDman

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It's not home grows I'm worried about. It's what they might do to force lp's again.
I know homegrows can be safe and the fear mongering is bs. You can have as many ferns in your house as you want and never be called out for fire or mold concerns.

IMO they will legislate and be careful to protect the interests of themselves, their buddies and legal business, which we all, already know go hand in hand with the libs and mj production.

Public health concerning homegrows has always been bogus with some exceptions like commercial scale grow houses with bored out foundations, stolen elec and 1000 plants. Normal home grows don't fit that criteria.
My point is that small Mom & Pop DG's should be allowed to setup shop @ their homes.
 
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