You forget, that all non Muslims are infidels..and therefore inferior to Muslims..and are only to be conquered and converted..NOT dealt with evenly. How would the propaganda reach the people? Since the Mullahs control ALL aspects of their students lives...
Maybe according to the Mullahs and the ignorant followers, I'm pretty sure that a majority of university students have risen above this rhetoric. After all, they are the ones protesting their own government the most. Those ignorant people you see in the streets burning American flags are more likely to be uneducated prodigy from the mullahs. Mullahs twist the Koran to fit their rhetoric just as evangelicals twist the Bible to fit theirs. Most Organized religion is a violent opposition proposition. There are a few peaceful ones such as Hinduism and Buddaism, But most religions are territorial, meaning they want to protect their territory by any means.
Hardly an outrageous claim...just read up a bit on the hague and iran. You know the all powerful Oz the Hague.... impotent as anyone else when it comes to diplomacy gains with Iran.
Untill any of the above fear mongering countries get ICBMs able to reach our shores, we are in no danger and should work on diplomacy and leave the hard core pressureing to those that are within reach of their current missiles. This fear mongering is what allows our government to remove our rights under the guise of protecting us from the boogyman. Be afraid, be very afraid, and by the way, we are removing your constitutional rights and wiretapping your phones to protect you, ~LOL~, and we fall for it Hook line and sinker.Hardly an outrageous claim...just read up a bit on the hague and iran. You know the all powerful Oz the Hague.... impotent as anyone else when it comes to diplomacy gains with Iran.
Propaganda is indeed utilized with minimum effect in Iran. However a closed society where we are not welcome makes true achievements limited in scope.
So why doesn't the people of Iran wake up everybody says.... for the very same reason Palestinians continue to let maniacs direct their future....they loathe something else more than their own Govt. .. change from the west .. the symbol of Obama (rofl)
No, Iran cannot be persuaded by verbiage to dismantle..... it will require force. So who will muster up the nerve to use force? Without McCain at the helm I fear the U.S has been removed from the equation. The world is getting very dangerous indeed.
The only question perhaps remaining is who will receive this gift of failed diplomacy in the near future? (yes near) Will they strike the tail (Israel) or go straight for the head of their perceived serpent (US)? I'm betting on the latter, it's the smarter play.
I won't even go into North korea.... remember them?
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I could be wrong, but I thought no WMD's were found post Iraq invasion. Do you guys have any sources confirming WMD's were found?Hardly an outrageous claim...just read up a bit on the hague and iran. You know the all powerful Oz the Hague.... impotent as anyone else when it comes to diplomacy gains with Iran.
Propaganda is indeed utilized with minimum effect in Iran. However a closed society where we are not welcome makes true achievements limited in scope.
So why doesn't the people of Iran wake up everybody says.... for the very same reason Palestinians continue to let maniacs direct their future....they loathe something else more than their own Govt. .. change from the west .. the symbol of Obama (rofl)
No, Iran cannot be persuaded by verbiage to dismantle..... it will require force. So who will muster up the nerve to use force? Without McCain at the helm I fear the U.S has been removed from the equation. The world is getting very dangerous indeed.
The only question perhaps remaining is who will receive this gift of failed diplomacy in the near future? (yes near) Will they strike the tail (Israel) or go straight for the head of their perceived serpent (US)? I'm betting on the latter, it's the smarter play.
I won't even go into North korea.... remember them?
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Well, if you didn't mean invading Iran, what did you mean by your use of the word 'force'?Padawan
WMD'S in Iraq? This thread is about Iran. I would be more than willing to discuss WMD's on another thread.
No one said anything about invading Iran. I certainly didn't. As I said i believe the timeline is ahead of a long term "security" resolution.
As for diplomacy.... what does everyone think has been going on for the last thirty years since Carter muffed the only real chance we had to nip this in the bud? the EU has been negotiating with every carrot available to no avail for 5 years. So your answer is to keep the dialogue going.... exactly what Iran is counting on. Appeasment only works with stable govts. Despots usually only do the pony trick if they can still make their plans behind the scenes come to pass down the road.
As for the elections of iraq, you left out a HUGE tyhank you to George Bush. You should thank him, they do. Iran is very afraid of a democracy next door which ALLOWS its citizenry to have a voice in governance. One more reason to light the fuse......
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Saying and doing are two very different things. Lot's of countries say lot's of things, why the huge concern for Iran, why believe them when they say something like they want to destroy the US and Israel, but not believe them when they advocate peace? Or do you just seemingly miss those quotes? You seem to think Iran has one single goal, destroy the US and Israel at all costs. This is very ignorant logic on your part. As I asked in the previous message (but you seemed to have missed), what good would come from detonating a nuke in the US or Israel from an Iranian perspective? What would they gain? - Don't dodge that question please.Patawan, this isn't cryptic tea leaves I'm reading from. The Iranian govt. has stated it's goals many times in public.
What I mean by force would be a series of strategic strikes at their nuclear processing facilities. However, one of the problems is that they have used these diplomatic stall tactics to spread their facilities out. Do I think the aforementioned strikes will dismantle their program? no.... but I do believe it would be a reality check for the Iranian govt and perhaps THEN give a new round of diplomacy some teeth.
Excuse me but how can you say elections in Iraq have nothing to do with George Bush? I'm sorry how many years did Saddam Hussein rule? No Bush, No elections, period.
Iran perspective:
A single emp bomb anonymously set off over the continental US would completely destroy the economic fabric of the evil empire. Unable to flex its muscle across the seas, the itch that is Israel can finally be scratched. Iran will become the leader of the middle east and rightfully reinstate the Perisan influence across the region.
It's quite a possibility that Israel will attack Iran in the near future. I'm betting that Obama hopes they do. We'll see.
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Actually its spelled "yourself"!
(JK of course.). HAHA I just want to go somewhere warm and next to the beach so I can ride a nice motorcycle, surf, scuba dive, etc.
I could go on but I'll refrain. Its only by the grace of God that I'm still sane from all of this. I've been super stressed. I was going to be making ~7k a month from selling the weed, free from taxes. 3K watts in and aeroponic system growing WW x Ice would have done My savings nicely. I was in school for engineering, top of My class. I had it all figured out, but I didn't figure I was going to get screwed.
Saves Me the typing! Good work PadawanBaterI could be wrong, but I thought no WMD's were found post Iraq invasion. Do you guys have any sources confirming WMD's were found?
Also, I think I'm gonna have to disagree with your conclusion that the only way we can keep Iran from nuking Israel or the US is through force. That pretty much seems like the complete opposite way to go about it, it doesn't really work very well when we go in, kill a lot of innocent people, steal resources and create more extremist terrorists willing to strap a few pounds of C4 to their chest and take out a few dozen other innocent people...
I can't see any realistic solution to an invasion with Iran. I think what would happen is we'd lose a lot of American soldiers, a lot of Iranian soldiers and more than likely, just like Iraq, an uncountable number of civilians would be killed, we'd lose even more credibility in the international community with our 3rd invasion in a decade, we'd increase our national debt by an enormous amount, something that at this moment we could not afford, we would create a hundred times more 'terrorists' effectively creating an even worse future for the next generations of Americans, we wouldn't have nearly as much support as we did at the beginning of the Iraq invasion, I mean, the list of why we shouldn't invade goes on and on..
Don't you think a better solution might be to negotiate with Iran, see what realistic compromises we can both agree on, and go from there? You say 'they can't be reasoned with', which is a fallacy, anyone who want's something can be reasoned with. You say if they obtain nuclear capability they will, in your mind, strike Israel or the US without question. Do you have any idea what kind of a response Iran would get from the rest of the world if that happened? Sanctions, regulations, rules, war crimes trials, executions, penalties, I mean seriously, that's completely unrealistic, and that's one of the major reasons no country has used an atomic bomb since ww2. Iran is not stupid, they know if they were to nuke anyone the future of their country would be at stake, the people of Iran know this too, they would never support a nuclear strike against Israel or the US, even with the amount of hate you believe they all seem to have for us. They've all seen what has happened to the infastructure and economies of Iraq and Afghanistan, why would they think it would be any different with Iran?
We've held the position of 'no negotiating with Iran' for so long and nothing has changed, if anything relations between us and the Iranian government have gotten worse because of this. The only solution I see is negotiation. You can't spread democracy through the barrel of a gun and you can't force anyone to do or believe anything. Using force would do nothing but damage the entire picture and make it even harder for us to negotiate some kind of deal or peace or even neutrality between us in the future. So again I say, negotiation is the only way to fix this problem.
Also, I'd like to point out the example of the recent elections in Iraq, we've got thousands of people emerging out of that country with secular ideas and new ways of thinking other than religious ones, the ones that got us here in the first place. Just goes to show that even the middle east is changing, and not all the people in the area think that all non-muslims are less than human and should be killed without question. They're starting to realize things like peace and prosperity are more important than ancient immoral beliefs.
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Actually, if you are not dealing and caught using you will be given an Art. 15. Temp reduction in Rank and $300 a month with extra duty for 90 days.
They chased me for 6 months.... Hey Med!
HAHAThanks Spitzered. I'll have to look into that. But like Med said, I'm going to "use My cranial powers before I jump".
