Is anyone Pro-War?

RyanTheRhino

RyanTheRhino

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VILEPLUME said:
Here is a theory, if China controls most of our debt and we are obviously having big trouble paying it back, could there be a shift where to pay back the debt, America becomes full of sweat shops and China uses us to make its products?

I say this because I also think we as a people are losing more control and power every year, while our government continues to pass new laws that give them more and more power, not to mention our government growing every year as well, could we get to a point where we as a people are forced to work in sweat shops to pay back our debt? I also feel in a way that we would probably deserve it and I also think most other countries would not shed a tear if it came to that.
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China does not hold most of our debt. China does however hold the largest foreign debt, but most of our debt is from the government taking money out of the citizens pockets. Oh and the federal reserve

Basically government bonds still owed to the people with interest & the fed reserve


 
VILEPLUME

VILEPLUME

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So the government owes us the money?

So the bailout was our money given to select people in the banking and automobile industry?
 
Farfenugen

Farfenugen

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I am 100% pro war against aliens, fuck those little mind controlling, hybridizing, anal probing twerps. Blast em all to Hell.
:fire::fire::fire::fire::fire::fire::fire:
 
HomeLessBeans

HomeLessBeans

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We are in a war not of our choosing. I don't like it,but I will fight in it to the end. We are outnumbered,out gunned,out spent,and possibly out of time. We lied about, demonized,inprisoned,and killed.
We are denied rights that other citizens enjoy everyday.

I certainly am not pro war. But once they started it I am pro winning.

The War on Drugs is a War on US.
 
sync0s

sync0s

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RyanTheRhino said:
China does not hold most of our debt. China does however hold the largest foreign debt, but most of our debt is from the government taking money out of the citizens pockets. Oh and the federal reserve

Basically government bonds still owed to the people with interest & the fed reserve
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Bankrupt the system, and say it failed because we didn't fund it well enough and didn't try it on a large enough scale. Time to scale up in all areas.

Government is the martingale betting system gone federal.
 
theounceler

theounceler

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Yes, people are pro-war. Let me tell you who: Rich conservative politicians and the companies who get rich off from it. War is nothing but an economic phenomenon. But yes, any of us who actually would get called to fight in a war... should not be pro-war.
 
wookieslinger

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I am. We need more actually.. Far too many people on this rock. I do have a vision of a non-war world, but that vision only allows for >1 billion people on Earth. Where everyone would have a job, and resources would be abundant. There would be no need to fight.
Humans still operate on tribal principals - only the tribes are supersized. The media and Governments like to complicate issues with sophisticated jargon but all of it is easily simplified.

America HAD to go to the middle east and guard the oil, there was no other option. It would of turned into a free for all had we not..
 
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wrb113

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Yeah! war! let's blow up some more towers! (don't mind me, just playing advocate :D war goes both ways, i hate that it's seemingly fine to go and blow up some arabs, and then get utterly pissed that they blow something of ours up (this is also playing devils advocate i guess in that when i say "they" blow some of our stuff up i really just mean "we" blow some of our stuff up))

Now i guess i'm thinking is this about pro-war in the sense of an acutal war, or pro-war in the sense of a war based on false pretences used to obtain a goal not directly related to beating the "enemy".
 
Moses Mobetta

Moses Mobetta

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wrb113 said:
Yeah! war! let's blow up some more towers! (don't mind me, just playing advocate :D war goes both ways, i hate that it's seemingly fine to go and blow up some arabs, and then get utterly pissed that they blow something of ours up (this is also playing devils advocate i guess in that when i say "they" blow some of our stuff up i really just mean "we" blow some of our stuff up))

Now i guess i'm thinking is this about pro-war in the sense of an acutal war, or pro-war in the sense of a war based on false pretences used to obtain a goal not directly related to beating the "enemy".
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How about a war where we get to become the bad guy and no one ever knows it.
 
Padawanbater2

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When the hell was the last "actual war"?

From my research, it seems that just about every single war fought since the beginning has had some underlying agenda, in the past it was to gain more land, which meant more power, in the 20-21st centuries, it's to acquire more resources, which means more money.
 
KI11TH3W3AK

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honestly its good for population control and helps economies...i dont want my loved ones or myself in one but i understand their purpose.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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KI11TH3W3AK said:
honestly its good for population control and helps economies...i dont want my loved ones or myself in one but i understand their purpose.
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...that has to be the worst reason to go to war.

Good for population control. Killing innocent people is good for the rest of us. By innocent, I don't mean one side or the other, I mean the civilians that inevitably get caught up in the war zones.

That is incredibly selfish. You're basically saying it's alright if innocent people die because it will make the rest of our lives better, which in itself is a completely baseless claim.

Helps economies. If by "economies" you mean the wealthy people who control weapons productions, then yes, you're right. But ask yourself, are innocent lives worth that? Would you trade innocent lives so the CEO of Smith and Wesson can increase his profit margins by 10%?

The honest question of war should be "would you fight it yourself?". You've already answered that, how can you possibly justify profits over human life? This seems completely counter productive to the benefit of mankind.
 
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wrb113

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Is there really such a need for population control? There is a SHIT load of land that noone is living off. Noone wants to be a farmer and just live their life, they want technology and cities and money, not food and a roof for your family. The governments certainly don't help though in creating as much legislation as possible to force people to live for money and not food.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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wrb113 said:
Is there really such a need for population control? There is a SHIT load of land that noone is living off. Noone wants to be a farmer and just live their life, they want technology and cities and money, not food and a roof for your family. The governments certainly don't help though in creating as much legislation as possible to force people to live for money and not food.
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I'm not sure if there is an actual need for population control. If you've ever driven through New Mexico (Carne can help me out on this), it's desolate as FUCK! I drove from California to Arkansas and just about the entire time driving through New Mexico and Arizona, except for Santa Fe and Albuquerque, pure desolate isolated nothingness. Even through most parts of Texas, ain't SHIT around. There is plenty of land to go around for the population. There's just too much red tape to get through to be able to live freely and sustain ably.

Population control shouldn't even be an issue.
 
mccumcumber

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The worry that comes along with population control is the lack resources to support the ever growing population. Since we still rely on dead plants (oil) to this day for energy and we continue to pollute the shit out of our environment I can see how this will be an issue. Newton predicted the world would end in ~2050... maybe he was right? I mean we're letting the environment go to shit and we're so greedy that we try to deny the science behind it... awesome!

War isn't a good population control. It's just people trying to allocate more resources for themselves using them up faster. Mandatory vasectomy for people that have an iq below 120... now we're getting somewhere.
 
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