Is Egypt bad for the US and Israel?

ginjawarrior said:

Lol ol' one tricks turned up

So you have no evidence either just special pleading right?

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There are only two "tricks" in a political discussion. The authoritarian "trick", where people support sticking their nose into others business. The anti-authoritarian "trick" where people do not. In that sense we both have one trick. Yours is in support of authoritarian policies, mine is not.

If you think there is no evidence that government as an institution is full of liars, I think you should stop your mental masturbation it has clearly blinded you.

Rob Roy said:

There are only two "tricks" in a political discussion. The authoritarian "trick", where people support sticking their nose into others business. The anti-authoritarian "trick" where people do not. In that sense we both have one trick. Yours is in support of authoritarian policies, mine is not.

If you think there is no evidence that government as an institution is full of liars, I think you should stop your mental masturbation it has clearly blinded you.

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Could you please provide a quote showing where I professed the bolded?

Failing that you could take your straw man back to what ever hovel you call home

ginjawarrior said:

Could you please provide a quote showing where I professed the bolded?

Failing that you could take your straw man back to what ever hovel you call home

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You demand evidence from Rob and seem to want to post that as proof shit didnt happen when we already know from the Bengazi, IRS, NSA, and many other scandals that they dont tell us shit...

Which side of the fence are you on again?

ginjawarrior said:

Could you please provide a quote showing where I professed the bolded?

Failing that you could take your straw man back to what ever hovel you call home

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I said, "if you think..."


Plus I was fucking with you, because you seem to like fucking with me. Consider it a defensive action on my part. Is that hair on your palms?

NLXSK1 said:

You demand evidence from Rob and seem to want to post that as proof shit didnt happen when we already know from the Bengazi, IRS, NSA, and many other scandals that they dont tell us shit...

Which side of the fence are you on again?

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I demanded evidence from Keynes everybody else including ol' one trick wanted in...

If they were so good at not telling you shit then how the fuck could you list things like "bengazi" or "irs" as proof? Surely you wouldn't know anything about them..?

Now echelon came closest to answering this but he seemed to pussy out of reading the approved techniques signed into law by obama

ginjawarrior said:

I demanded evidence from Keynes everybody else including ol' one trick wanted in...

If they were so good at not telling you shit then how the fuck could you list things like "bengazi" or "irs" as proof? Surely you wouldn't know anything about them..?

Now echelon came closest to answering this but he seemed to pussy out of reading the approved techniques signed into law by obama

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he hasn't signed any approved techniques into law

echelon1k1 said:

Executive Order 13491 -- Ensuring Lawful Interrogations signed by Obama, instructs interrogators to adhere to the guidelines within the Geneva convention for all detainees that meet the US criteria to be classified as POWs under the Geneva convention.



For detainees that don't meet the US criteria, they are classified as unlawful enemy combatants and are subject to the interrogation guidelines set forth in Army Field Manual FM 2-22.3 (FM 34-52) Appendix M.

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echelon1k1 said:

he hasn't signed any approved techniques into law

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BARACK OBAMATHE WHITE HOUSE,
January 22, 2009

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http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/EnsuringLawfulInterrogations/

echelon1k1 said:

attention grasp
Walling
facial hold
facial insult or slap
Cramped confinement
Confinement with insects
Confinement with canines
Wall standing
Stress positions
Sleep deprivation
Waterboarding
Violent Shaking
Sensory Bombardment
Sexual Humiliation in some cases assault
Room Temp Manipulation
Beating/Physical Assault
Threats of harm to family and/or friends
Mock Executions
Forced Drugging
psychological manipulation (being forced to watch another detainee being tortured)

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I missed this post but none of those are in the "Army Field Manual FM 2-22.3 (FM 34-52) Appendix M."

I know your desperate to be right but that certainly doesn't excuse you making shit up

ginjawarrior said:

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http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/EnsuringLawfulInterrogations/


I missed this post but none of those are in the "Army Field Manual FM 2-22.3 (FM 34-52) Appendix M."

I know your desperate to be right but that certainly doesn't excuse you making shit up

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You clearly don't understand what the EO means or the fact it doesn't list any "approved techniques" as you claim. Re-read post #55 as YOU are CLEARY making shit up AGAIN...

EO13491 DOES NOT rescind the following legal review of Army Field Manual FM 2-22.3 (FM 34-52) Appendix M. The FM act as a guideline in the application of EIT...

http://www.justice.gov/olc/docs/aclu-ii-041306-2.pdf



pro tip - No government publishes it's SOP in regards to EIT... So of course you didn't read it in an open source field manual...

echelon1k1 said:

You clearly don't understand what the EO means or the fact it doesn't list any "approved techniques" as you claim. Re-read post #55 as YOU are CLEARY making shit up AGAIN...

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post 55 the one I just quoted from you?
There are 19 techniques in that Manuel none of them match what you list

http://www.google.co.uk/url?q=https://www.fas.org/irp/doddir/army/fm2-22-3.pdf&sa=U&ei=CR4RUqiiILGa0QX7hIGgDw&ved=0CBsQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNHh1NLXemTkvjRWtfBYzIyUo12GVA

DOES NOT rescind the following legal review of Army Field Manual FM 2-22.3 (FM 34-52) Appendix M. The FM act as a guideline in the application of EIT...

http://www.justice.gov/olc/docs/aclu-ii-041306-2.pdf

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Lol none of you list in there either....

pro tip - No government publishes it's SOP in regards to EIT... So of course you didn't read it in an open source field manual...

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Protip special pleadings is for the kiddies table

ginjawarrior said:

I'm not asking about Bush or Clinton or whether any of Obama's actions over the last 5 years has done him any favours

I'm asking for a source that shows enhanced interrogation and waterboarding continues to be in use by Obama administration

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Prove a negative? I see. And all the evidence so far is Gitmo is still open, IED rules Stan, the IRS has not budged? The NSA is admitting to apologizing for lying, the liars are saying it's the other liars., what else?....supply all the lists of all the very necessary lies about ben-gay and missiles and Al-Q direction of running?....on and on...all else...

How could you think they are not water-boarding US political opponents that supposedly died in a plane crash? We don't know.

But they said they stopped. In doublethink, you know what that means.

Doer said:

Prove a negative? I see. And all the evidence so far is Gitmo is still open, IED rules Stan, the IRS has not budged? The NSA is admitting to apologizing for lying, the liars are saying it's the other liars., what else?....supply all the lists of all the very necessary lies about ben-gay and missiles and Al-Q direction of running?....on and on...all else...

How could you think they are not water-boarding US political opponents that supposedly died in a plane crash? We don't know.

But they said they stopped. In doublethink, you know what that means.

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I don't think you understand the term "prove a negative"

I'm asking proof of a positive statement

• I'm asking for a source that shows enhanced interrogation and waterboarding continues to be in use by Obama administration
  
  
  
  
  
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If it were a negative I was asking for I would have asked for evidence that it wasn't happening.....



The rest of your post is over imaginative drivel

Yet, you are not a Doctor but you play one in forum. Sort of a sheeple Doctor with no imagination.

Now you will tap dance out your pattern of denying your own inarticulate approach. Start a nattering over the hidden gotchas of meaning, as you see it, is all you are after....boring.

If there was evidence....do you need evidence? I am pretty sure you will not be voting in any US election.

Doer said:

Yet, you are not a Doctor but you play one in forum. Sort of a sheeple Doctor with no imagination.

Now you will tap dance out your pattern of denying your own inarticulate approach. Start a nattering over the hidden gotchas of meaning, as you see it, is all you are after....boring.

If there was evidence....do you need evidence? I am pretty sure you will not be voting in any US election.

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Doer I would ask you to point out what negative I was asking proof of before you start bitching about "hidden gotchas of meanings"

You used the term don't be blaming me that you don't understand it

ginjawarrior said:

post 55 the one I just quoted from you?
There are 19 techniques in that Manuel* none of them match what you list

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You didn’t ask for those listed in the manual and why would i respond with what’s NOT in the manual? Please show me the 19 techniques....

Also please google “Interrogation techniques” and “Interrogation approaches” the two are different...

ginjawarrior said:

Now could you point out which of the 19 approved techniques would come under the classification of "enhanced interrogation" or "waterboarding"?

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echelon1k1 said:

attention grasp
Walling
facial hold
facial insult or slap
Cramped confinement
Confinement with insects
Confinement with canines
Wall standing
Stress positions
Sleep deprivation
Waterboarding
Violent Shaking
Sensory Bombardment
Sexual Humiliation in some cases assault
Room Temp Manipulation
Beating/Physical Assault
Threats of harm to family and/or friends
Mock Executions
Forced Drugging
psychological manipulation (being forced to watch another detainee being tortured)

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ginjawarrior said:

Lol none of you list in there either....

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Do you actually read what you post? We are talking about “Enhanced Interrogation Techniques” not “interrogation approaches ” that every POW/detainee is subjected to regardless of status.

echelon1k1 said:

You didn’t ask for those listed in the manual and why would i respond with what’s NOT in the manual? Please show me the 19 techniques....

Also please google “Interrogation techniques” and “Interrogation approaches” the two are different...







Do you actually read what you post? We are talking about “Enhanced Interrogation Techniques” not “interrogation approaches ” that every POW/detainee is subjected to regardless of status.

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The only techniques approved by law are the ones in the manual (regardless of status)

All the ones you listed have been pulled out of your arse

ginjawarrior said:

Well done you've done more research than most

Now could you point out which of the 19 approved techniques would come under the classification of "enhanced interrogation" or "waterboarding"?

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ginjawarrior said:

The only techniques approved by law are the ones in the manual (regardless of status)

All the ones you listed have been pulled out of your arse

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Sorry champ you're confusing "Interrogation techniques” for “Interrogation approaches”... The interrogation approaches listed in the manual are the same ones the FBI uses when questioning suspects for a broad range of crimes domestically. A purely psychological approach is all that is applicable under US code for the Feeb so why would it be considered "enhanced interrogation"?

And status plays a large part in what type of interrogation a detainee will be subjected to. And all the ones I listed are techniques that have been or are currently being used with the listed approaches in the core collectors manual.

echelon1k1 said:

Sorry champ you're confusing "Interrogation techniques” for “Interrogation approaches”... The interrogation approaches listed in the manual are the same ones the FBI uses when questioning suspects for a broad range of crimes domestically. A purely psychological approach is all that is applicable under US code for the Feeb so why would it be considered "enhanced interrogation"?

And status plays a large part in what type of interrogation a detainee will be subjected to. And all the ones I listed are techniques that have been or are currently being used with the listed approaches in the core collectors manual.

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"Enhanced interrogation" was a term used by the Bush administration for torture

The executive order signed by Obama changed how the suspects were allowed to be interrogated

I repeat you pulled that list out of your area as you have not shown anything to back up that it's "currently being used"

ginjawarrior said:

"Enhanced interrogation" was a term used by the Bush administration for torture

The executive order signed by Obama changed how the suspects were allowed to be interrogated

I repeat you pulled that list out of your area as you have not shown anything to back up that it's "currently being used"

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Don't change the goal posts moron, you ask for the following and I obliged;

ginjawarrior said:

Now could you point out which of the 19 approved techniques would come under the classification of "enhanced interrogation" or "waterboarding"?

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Enhanced interrogation describes anything outside of what is applicable in the Geneva convention and is used in conjunction with the 18 document "approaches" listed in manual FM 34-52. The Obama admin still uses torture just not on US soil or inside of an established war zone, or so they claim... That doesn't mean you cannot be rendered into foreign custody for interrogation...

Now I listed before the Torture memo from '06 that was not rescinded by EO13491 and it stands as proof that 6 enhanced interrogation techniques are still in use at the minimum.

http://www.justice.gov/olc/docs/aclu-ii-041306-2.pdf

Approved by law? Who's law? Poland or Saudi? What about on the high seas aboard a Panama Registry freighter. What does law have to do with it? You think we are bound by law over here? No. The 9th A says, try anything you want. Now, extend that to the C & C, elected Civilian Authority.

She almost, but, not quite cannot break any law by definition as long a supporter will do it in a deniable way. Be real. Watergate was the tip of an Ice Cube. Nothing on tape these days.

A President is not above the law he is beyond the reach of it. Only one President has even been arrested. Franklin Peirce. A reckless auto case. He ran over a woman. To this day no President may drive an auto on the Road. Bush went down to his ranch.

A President has to be caught, convicted and still can't be removed except for high crimes and misdemeanors, treason and such. Then he can simply resign and be pardoned by the VP. See how this works? Beyond the law, but not beyond assassination by the house guard.

Not should. IS.

echelon1k1 said:

Don't change the goal posts moron, you ask for the following and I obliged;



Enhanced interrogation describes anything outside of what is applicable in the Geneva convention and is used in conjunction with the 18 document "approaches" listed in manual FM 34-52. The Obama admin still uses torture just not on US soil or inside of an established war zone, or so they claim... That doesn't mean you cannot be rendered into foreign custody for interrogation...

Now I listed before the Torture memo from '06 that was not rescinded by EO13491 and it stands as proof that 6 enhanced interrogation techniques are still in use at the minimum.

http://www.justice.gov/olc/docs/aclu-ii-041306-2.pdf

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fuck me you haven't even read the fucking thing your linking to have you?

Those techniques are listed as part of the better quality pdf I linked to

They list none of what you listed

Tell you what tell me what page you found your list on? Go on fucking read it before you bring it here pretending it says what it doesn't....

Tell me the names of techniques on there



EDIT: I have asked for only one thing evidence of current use of torture as bemoaned by Keynes. That your a fuckwit who's incapable of understanding that doesn't mean goalposts have been moved