Mr. Diamond
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It seems like most of the ingredients are organic. How much of their additives are inorganic? I love their product.
Mr. Diamond
I love Seeds!
Mr. Diamond
I love Seeds!
Is Fox Farm Organic?
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foreverflyhi
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They say they are organic. One thing that bothers me about them is where they get their ingredients. I've read somewhere that they are out sourcing they're ingredients. So what that means is they are Unfurtantley becoming unsustainable, and relying on globalization to get their ingredients. I started growing with fox farm with great results, but though out the years I realized being organic is the same thing as being sustainable.
Not sure if I awnsered your question, just speaking my mind
Not sure if I awnsered your question, just speaking my mind
ranchos429
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Only big bloom is organic.
SpicySativa
Well-Known Member
Big Bloom, soils, and dry (boxed) amendments are organic, but that's about it. None of their products which aren't organic claim to be.
hooked.on.ponics
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We could talk for thousands of pages about what exactly is or isn't "organic", how organic "organic" really is, and so on but I really don't want to get into all that. It's a big philosophical debate.
The short version is that the most widely-accepted standards for somethign being "organic" aren't necessarily very strict. For food it's a huge hassle involving having OMRI or whoever audit your farm for years and years and it costs a damn fortune to get certified. I get concerned when there's things like that going on because OMRI makes a good amount of money off the certification process. Whether they like the idea or not, if I pay you money and you certify me, you're SELLING CERTIFICATIONS. Sure, they turn down a bunch of applicants. But the question still lingers - how much does a certification cost? Are there under-the-table payments that can influence it? Is every inspector really an honest person or are some less honest than others? We're all just people, and infallible.
A bit long, but you get the point: the line between what is organic and what isn't organic is largely arbitrary. Different licensing agencies draw the line in different places. No one fully agrees on what qualifies.
And as consumers we all have an "organic enough" limbo stick. The "pretty much organic" bananas are X dollars, the "really really organic" bananas are Y... how much extra "organicness" is worth the extra money? Totally up to each person to decide for themselves.
As for Fox Farm, I don't think they're using strict standards. If being clearly organic were important to them I would expect to see a lot more organic products from them and more literature or advertising talking about the higher standards they adhere to.
If you're happy with their products don't let me change your mind. They're just not for me is all.
The short version is that the most widely-accepted standards for somethign being "organic" aren't necessarily very strict. For food it's a huge hassle involving having OMRI or whoever audit your farm for years and years and it costs a damn fortune to get certified. I get concerned when there's things like that going on because OMRI makes a good amount of money off the certification process. Whether they like the idea or not, if I pay you money and you certify me, you're SELLING CERTIFICATIONS. Sure, they turn down a bunch of applicants. But the question still lingers - how much does a certification cost? Are there under-the-table payments that can influence it? Is every inspector really an honest person or are some less honest than others? We're all just people, and infallible.
A bit long, but you get the point: the line between what is organic and what isn't organic is largely arbitrary. Different licensing agencies draw the line in different places. No one fully agrees on what qualifies.
And as consumers we all have an "organic enough" limbo stick. The "pretty much organic" bananas are X dollars, the "really really organic" bananas are Y... how much extra "organicness" is worth the extra money? Totally up to each person to decide for themselves.
As for Fox Farm, I don't think they're using strict standards. If being clearly organic were important to them I would expect to see a lot more organic products from them and more literature or advertising talking about the higher standards they adhere to.
If you're happy with their products don't let me change your mind. They're just not for me is all.
Sincerely420
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I know one thing...
Marijuana hearts Fox Farm Ocean Forest.
That and it says it's organic on the bag
Marijuana hearts Fox Farm Ocean Forest.
That and it says it's organic on the bag
charface
Well-Known Member
Was that just an over the top example or is not all shit organic?Not being a dick it just threw me , lol
I get that it is not soil ready but it would be organic minus the plastic bag no?
Ccoastal
Active Member
no, not all shit is organic. organic poo is based on the food going in. to some people, the fact that it is natural (another marketing label that has no meaning) means its organic, if i ate a hot pocket before crapping into a bag it would make it inorganic.
for a plant to be designated as organic, the soil it is grown in must have had 0 inorganic ferts for 7 years minimum prior to being grown.
FF has yet to prove their amendments, and bases come from organic sources, which is another draw back to MJ products, they are not tested or regulated.
FF ferts are chem plain and simple, they label some as 'organic based' which only means that there is a single organic product inside swimming in a chemical cocktail.
Ccoastal
for a plant to be designated as organic, the soil it is grown in must have had 0 inorganic ferts for 7 years minimum prior to being grown.
FF has yet to prove their amendments, and bases come from organic sources, which is another draw back to MJ products, they are not tested or regulated.
FF ferts are chem plain and simple, they label some as 'organic based' which only means that there is a single organic product inside swimming in a chemical cocktail.
Ccoastal
Sincerely420
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Dear OP(Mr. Diamond),
Fox Farm Ocean Forest works really good. Take a look at some of my leaves if you want some proof. DEEP GREEN!
No matter what's said about the rules of what makes what organic, they sell it in a bag that says its an organic potting soil.
It's organic enough not to argue against it being organic...That doesn't matter anyways....IT WORKS and WEED LIKES IT.
"for a plant to be designated as organic blablabla..........<-Back that up for me with something. Anything will do. I didn't know that was the case.
And I don't think my soil mix is a chemical cocktail. Not by a LONGGG shot
Just like I don't think Fox Farm products are strictly MJ products.
If so they'd be sold in smoke shops or grow shops excusively.
These are just my opinions of course. I'm not spewing facts other than the fact that Fox Farm Ocean Forest is GREAT FOR CANNABIS.
Fox Farm Ocean Forest works really good. Take a look at some of my leaves if you want some proof. DEEP GREEN!
No matter what's said about the rules of what makes what organic, they sell it in a bag that says its an organic potting soil.
It's organic enough not to argue against it being organic...That doesn't matter anyways....IT WORKS and WEED LIKES IT
."for a plant to be designated as organic blablabla..........<-Back that up for me with something. Anything will do. I didn't know that was the case.
And I don't think my soil mix is a chemical cocktail. Not by a LONGGG shot
Just like I don't think Fox Farm products are strictly MJ products.
If so they'd be sold in smoke shops or grow shops excusively.
These are just my opinions of course. I'm not spewing facts other than the fact that Fox Farm Ocean Forest is GREAT FOR CANNABIS.
Ccoastal
Active Member
lol well, gonna skip right past the whole FF growing incredible pot...
as for organic designation.. i have lived my entire life in the food industry, do yourself a favor and look up what it takes to have an organic label. you are on the internet after all.
also i said that FF nutrients, as in liquid, is a chemical cocktail. dont believe me? go read where it says 'organic based' on the side of the bottle.
wonder why they call it tiger bloom? because it makes you roar when you smoke it. those of us that have been around long enough to know what we are talking about know that as you feed the plant chem ferts, those chems are transported and held in every cell of the plant. you do not flush them out. period. but thats another story entirely, and im not gonna sit here and walk you through the basics of botany. note how sledgehammer flush was released after the nutrient line hit the market because of the number of people complaining about the ionic bond between soil and nutrients that needs to be broken in order to flush from the soil.
FFOF has proven to have incredible ph fluctuations and varied nutrient values from bag to bag, back in the olden days FF did actually have decent soil, partly because not as wide of a variety of products were available as they are today (many of which are much better) but mainly because the family in NY that owned FF had a large plot of land that they harvested their bases from, well as we all know the company got large and their now small lot of land could not keep up, so they outsourced for their products, losing quality control.
sure, you grow good weed with FF, but there I, as a well seasoned professional am saying there are better products out there, no im not trying to say your weed isnt dank or youre not the best grower ever. but i, having no stake in the game to defend FFOF or any other product am simply saying, no FF nutes are not organic. their soil is questionable at best.
wanna disprove me? go ahead.
Ccoastal
as for organic designation.. i have lived my entire life in the food industry, do yourself a favor and look up what it takes to have an organic label. you are on the internet after all.
also i said that FF nutrients, as in liquid, is a chemical cocktail. dont believe me? go read where it says 'organic based' on the side of the bottle.
wonder why they call it tiger bloom? because it makes you roar when you smoke it. those of us that have been around long enough to know what we are talking about know that as you feed the plant chem ferts, those chems are transported and held in every cell of the plant. you do not flush them out. period. but thats another story entirely, and im not gonna sit here and walk you through the basics of botany. note how sledgehammer flush was released after the nutrient line hit the market because of the number of people complaining about the ionic bond between soil and nutrients that needs to be broken in order to flush from the soil.
FFOF has proven to have incredible ph fluctuations and varied nutrient values from bag to bag, back in the olden days FF did actually have decent soil, partly because not as wide of a variety of products were available as they are today (many of which are much better) but mainly because the family in NY that owned FF had a large plot of land that they harvested their bases from, well as we all know the company got large and their now small lot of land could not keep up, so they outsourced for their products, losing quality control.
sure, you grow good weed with FF, but there I, as a well seasoned professional am saying there are better products out there, no im not trying to say your weed isnt dank or youre not the best grower ever. but i, having no stake in the game to defend FFOF or any other product am simply saying, no FF nutes are not organic. their soil is questionable at best.
wanna disprove me? go ahead.
Ccoastal
Sincerely420
New Member
click the link at the bottom of my posts and disprove yourself.
And sorry for the misunderstanding but I'm not using bottle nutes. At all.
If the soil is questionable at best I must be an AMAZING grower..Not to mention this is just my second op.
And I'm solely speaking on behalf of the stuff bcuz its done me GREAT!
And with nothing but watering only and an AACT now and then.
And flushing??? No such thing in my land sir
Would you stand idly by while someone sat and said something that was working really good for you was awful and a waste of time?
Ive seen NOTHING but green
And sorry for the misunderstanding but I'm not using bottle nutes. At all.
If the soil is questionable at best I must be an AMAZING grower..Not to mention this is just my second op.
And I'm solely speaking on behalf of the stuff bcuz its done me GREAT!
And with nothing but watering only and an AACT now and then.
And flushing??? No such thing in my land sir
Would you stand idly by while someone sat and said something that was working really good for you was awful and a waste of time?
Ive seen NOTHING but green
Ccoastal
Active Member
this is your second op? so you have had a single successful run prior to this one? wow you must know everything, and have a plethora of knowledge of FFOF.click the link at the bottom of my posts and disprove yourself.
And sorry for the misunderstanding but I'm not using bottle nutes. At all.
If the soil is questionable at best I must be an AMAZING grower..Not to mention this is just my second op.
And I'm solely speaking on behalf of the stuff bcuz its done me GREAT!
And with nothing but watering only and an AACT now and then.
And flushing??? No such thing in my land sir
Would you stand idly by while someone sat and said something that was working really good for you was awful and a waste of time?
Ive seen NOTHING but green
btw, a deep dark green in veg is an excess of N, even when the tips dont burn, one of those things you learn from being around a while.
Ccoastal
Ccoastal
Active Member
^btw with an excess of N you really will see nothin but green. too much N in veg will keep even the most purpling of geno strains to keep from changin color.. and take longer to finish.
im not gonna sit here and get in a pissing match with you, but i will offer a novice grower advice, so there you have it. be pissy all you want. i have more important things to do than argue with a 12 year old
Ccoastal
im not gonna sit here and get in a pissing match with you, but i will offer a novice grower advice, so there you have it. be pissy all you want. i have more important things to do than argue with a 12 year old
Ccoastal
johndolly420
Active Member
Fox Farm big bloom is organic
Ccoastal
Active Member
TXskunkKush
Well-Known Member
Wanna go organic? Use mollases & worm castings simple! Fox Farm works, I love it. Sure I flush but can't argue with results 
Snafu1236
Well-Known Member
Ccoastal, you are right and 100% on track here. Good to see you spreading the love of truth and knowledge here even in the face of reactionary ignorance!
-Snfu
bb419
Member
Big bloom is (just shit that is). Tiger bloom is 80% which is close, grow big is crystal meth, ground up glass,water and green food coloring. My question is how will chemical fertz effect the mirco organisms in the soil, what's the point in having organic base soil when your nutes just kill the little little homies cuzz
Sincerely420
New Member
There's not a def. within a mile of my plants. Not a toxicity. Sorry but your diagnosis is NULL.
You waste space on my thread lol <- Did you see an N toxicity..ANYTHING DEFICIENT?
And I'm 24. You were a little of with the #12. Halfway there.
And it doesn't matter how long I've been growing dude. It only matter how well I learn and apply myself.
Skip passed what you want..But stop lying damn. I don't care about you bro, so ain't nothing pissy about what Im saying. I'd have to feel at least some sort of what about you to give you an attitude...But I don't. Not at all.
Offer all the advice you want. By the end of my grow I'll be back to post and we'll leave it at that...I'll quote your OP in my final harvest photo and call it "crap in bag".
I'm good buddy.
You must have nothing to do if you wanna "piss" about whether products are organic or not when they claim to be.
Whaaa.....Who cares. It works. OBVIOUSLY