Is free business and budget estimating software useful to commerical growers?

mitessuck · Mar 27, 2022

Hi All,

I'm making software. Currently a better CO2 calculator. The other thing I thought might be useful to the community is the kind of detailed budgeting and cost estimate software I made for several commercial growers in Washington when I-502 passed. The reason being that a lot of good people lost everything as a result of not understanding how bad the legal market would be, especially in the context of not being able to deduct anything at the federal level. I fully expect the same thing to happen in other states as recreation laws continue to pass and I'd like to warn people somehow. I'm not a good speaker, but I'm a decent numbers guy, so I thought maybe if I made a tool and people who knew about it warned their friends to check their profit margins before getting involved in anything, maybe that could help.

The people who listened to me stayed out of it. The ones who didn't are operating very high turn over businesses that have very low profits, or losses. One fellow I handled a lot of the I-502 paperwork for is super impressed with himself because he has a gross profit of over 1,000,000 annually, which sounds good, until I tell you that his net is just 10,000 annually. And he works 12+ hours a day almost every day. He'd be better off working at McDonald's. Not a numbers guy and no matter how many graphs I showed him he just didn't understand that it doesn't matter how much he makes if he has to spend 99% of it and he's still pocketing less than minimum wage. He still doesn't believe me and can't understand why he has trouble feeding his kids.

Do you all think this would be a useful tool that might help to protect people from what amounts to a tax trap or is it more likely that people won't listen and just need to try and fail on their own? It'll be a fair amount of work and I don't need it, so I'll build it if you think people might get some use of it and maybe make some better choices, but otherwise I won't.

Please share your opinions and thanks for taking the time to hear me out.

twentyeight.threefive · Mar 27, 2022

mitessuck said:
Hi All,

I'm making software. Currently a better CO2 calculator. The other thing I thought might be useful to the community is the kind of detailed budgeting and cost estimate software I made for several commercial growers in Washington when I-502 passed. The reason being that a lot of good people lost everything as a result of not understanding how bad the legal market would be, especially in the context of not being able to deduct anything at the federal level. I fully expect the same thing to happen in other states as recreation laws continue to pass and I'd like to warn people somehow. I'm not a good speaker, but I'm a decent numbers guy, so I thought maybe if I made a tool and people who knew about it warned their friends to check their profit margins before getting involved in anything, maybe that could help.

The people who listened to me stayed out of it. The ones who didn't are operating very high turn over businesses that have very low profits, or losses. One fellow I handled a lot of the I-502 paperwork for is super impressed with himself because he has a gross profit of over 1,000,000 annually, which sounds good, until I tell you that his net is just 10,000 annually. And he works 12+ hours a day almost every day. He'd be better off working at McDonald's. Not a numbers guy and no matter how many graphs I showed him he just didn't understand that it doesn't matter how much he makes if he has to spend 99% of it and he's still pocketing less than minimum wage. He still doesn't believe me and can't understand why he has trouble feeding his kids.

Do you all think this would be a useful tool that might help to protect people from what amounts to a tax trap or is it more likely that people won't listen and just need to try and fail on their own? It'll be a fair amount of work and I don't need it, so I'll build it if you think people might get some use of it and maybe make some better choices, but otherwise I won't.

Please share your opinions and thanks for taking the time to hear me out.

People won't listen and will try it anyways. People in general are not incredibly smart. Take the above guy for instance. He thinks $1 million/year gross is great and has issues feeding his kids.

Everyone thinks it's going to be easy money.

mitessuck · Mar 28, 2022

twentyeight.threefive said:
People won't listen and will try it anyways. People in general are not incredibly smart. Take the above guy for instance. He thinks $1 million/year gross is great and has issues feeding his kids.

Everyone thinks it's going to be easy money.

You're probably right. I just hate to see people suffer just because they're daft. But there is likely nothing that I can do about it. It really seemed like there were people who were willing to listen, and they either stayed in the non-regulated market or just never got involved in growing in the first place, and then there were those who really wouldn't listen, who thought they knew better than math, and they got into it anyway, no matter what I said. And then lost their shirts. The only groups I know of that are doing "well" in the legal market right now are actually private investors who need money cleaning fronts and doing well for them means losing money in a structured way, the modern version of a laundromat but with way higher cash turnover. I don't know of any individuals who jumped on board as only growers (as opposed to processors or retailers) who did better than a job at McDonald's would have paid.

Thanks for taking your time to help me realize that I'd be wasting mine. I'll find something more productive to make.

Lordhooha · Mar 28, 2022

mitessuck said:
You're probably right. I just hate to see people suffer just because they're daft. But there is likely nothing that I can do about it. It really seemed like there were people who were willing to listen, and they either stayed in the non-regulated market or just never got involved in growing in the first place, and then there were those who really wouldn't listen, who thought they knew better than math, and they got into it anyway, no matter what I said. And then lost their shirts. The only groups I know of that are doing "well" in the legal market right now are actually private investors who need money cleaning fronts and doing well for them means losing money in a structured way, the modern version of a laundromat but with way higher cash turnover. I don't know of any individuals who jumped on board as only growers (as opposed to processors or retailers) who did better than a job at McDonald's would have paid.

Thanks for taking your time to help me realize that I'd be wasting mine. I'll find something more productive to make.

The software isn't need whats needed is ppl with good business sense and actually intelligence. The problem is most in this legal industry we're former stones and nothing more. Resulting in a lack of overhead and profit margins. No amount of software will.save people from their own stupidity. It would I calculate the cost per plant down to a tee. This way I can increase profit and make more money each run. Alot of folks jump in thinking cannabis is a get rich quick scheme and after a few harvest will be the next legal cartel in the weed world. Sadly not the case they don't research or spend the money they have as they should instead they squander away money rather then reinvest in the business and assume you'll make nothing for the first year or two like any other legal business.

LeastExpectedGrower · Mar 28, 2022

Lordhooha said:
The software isn't need whats needed is ppl with good business sense and actually intelligence. The problem is most in this legal industry we're former stones and nothing more. Resulting in a lack of overhead and profit margins. No amount of software will.save people from their own stupidity. It would I calculate the cost per plant down to a tee. This way I can increase profit and make more money each run. Alot of folks jump in thinking cannabis is a get rich quick scheme and after a few harvest will be the next legal cartel in the weed world. Sadly not the case they don't research or spend the money they have as they should instead they squander away money rather then reinvest in the business and assume you'll make nothing for the first year or two like any other legal business.

Yeah, I'd assume that there's a lot of front-loaded costs to set up a good, well thought out professional growing space. But then, like the food/beverage industry, much of your monthly costs are tied up in utilities & manpower...lots of bars and restaurants go out of business due to the margins and general operating expenses.

There's definitely added murk with state-by-state regulation in the overall farm/supply/retail structure, then individually in each step of the way. For those who can, it may be worth looking at some of the higher education offerings in whatever state you're looking to be part of the industry. Often such programs may be shorter certificates instead of bachelors/masters, but a bunch of them are also 'tracked' so you can look at specializing in the horticulture, legal/regulation/supplychain/retail. Some or all of those (if they're shorter 5-8 class programs) might be worth the expense to really understand what has to happen to be successful.

As with any startup, you're reinvesting your time/money into the project for a good while before there's much take home...so get used to having a day job AND putting in full time or more hours to get things off the ground.

Lordhooha · Mar 28, 2022

LeastExpectedGrower said:
Yeah, I'd assume that there's a lot of front-loaded costs to set up a good, well thought out professional growing space. But then, like the food/beverage industry, much of your monthly costs are tied up in utilities & manpower...lots of bars and restaurants go out of business due to the margins and general operating expenses.

There's definitely added murk with state-by-state regulation in the overall farm/supply/retail structure, then individually in each step of the way. For those who can, it may be worth looking at some of the higher education offerings in whatever state you're looking to be part of the industry. Often such programs may be shorter certificates instead of bachelors/masters, but a bunch of them are also 'tracked' so you can look at specializing in the horticulture, legal/regulation/supplychain/retail. Some or all of those (if they're shorter 5-8 class programs) might be worth the expense to really understand what has to happen to be successful.

As with any startup, you're reinvesting your time/money into the project for a good while before there's much take home...so get used to having a day job AND putting in full time or more hours to get things off the ground.

I mean I don't spend more than a few hrs per building it'd really all the meetings. People wanting to sponsor your grow and city meetings that are a pain in the ass.

The biggest issue is finding people that want to work to get paid. And it's not like I pay bad either. Especially for the south.

LeastExpectedGrower · Mar 28, 2022

Lordhooha said:
I mean I don't spend more than a few hrs per building it'd really all the meetings. People wanting to sponsor your grow and city meetings that are a pain in the ass.

The biggest issue is finding people that want to work to get paid. And it's not like I pay bad either. Especially for the south.

Its definitely a business that doesn't necessarily draw the most motivated demographic and/or people that I'd innately trust without a serious 'probation' period.

Meetings and more meetings are unfortunately the hazard of many businesses; related or not. Lots of time wasters around.

xtsho · Mar 28, 2022

Lordhooha said:
The software isn't need whats needed is ppl with good business sense and actually intelligence. The problem is most in this legal industry we're former stones and nothing more. Resulting in a lack of overhead and profit margins. No amount of software will.save people from their own stupidity. It would I calculate the cost per plant down to a tee. This way I can increase profit and make more money each run. Alot of folks jump in thinking cannabis is a get rich quick scheme and after a few harvest will be the next legal cartel in the weed world. Sadly not the case they don't research or spend the money they have as they should instead they squander away money rather then reinvest in the business and assume you'll make nothing for the first year or two like any other legal business.

Take two different people starting up a cannabis operation.

One has been growing and selling weed for decades before legalization. The other has never grown a single plant or maybe has never even smoked cannabis but understands the business side of things and understands managing costs, etc...

The decades old grower doesn't understand the business side of things and struggles keeping track of costs, paperwork, hiring and supervising people, etc... They bring in their buddies to help with the operation. It's all fun and games.

The business man understands how to run a business and brings in the right people to do the hands on part of the operation. It's all business.

Which one do you think stays in business? I would put my money on the businessman.

That's just a quick summation but smart people with money are the ones that are dominating the industry much to the dismay of the old stoner growers who watch in sadness as the industry they thought they would dominate is taken over by those with a good education and business sense that didn't know anything about cannabis until a few years ago.

LeastExpectedGrower · Mar 28, 2022

xtsho said:
Take two different people starting up a cannabis operation.

One has been growing and selling weed for decades before legalization. The other has never grown a single plant or maybe has never even smoked cannabis but understands the business side of things and understands managing costs, etc...

The decades old grower doesn't understand the business side of things and struggles keeping track of costs, paperwork, hiring and supervising people, etc... They bring in their buddies to help with the operation. It's all fun and games.

The business man understands how to run a business and brings in the right people to do the hands on part of the operation. It's all business.

Which one do you think stays in business? I would put my money on the businessman.

That's just a quick summation but smart people with money are the ones that are dominating the industry much to the dismay of the old stoner growers who watch in sadness as the industry they thought they would dominate is taken over by those with a good education and business sense that didn't know anything about cannabis until a few years ago.

I was a founding member of a LLC/Partnership in a non-related field. There were 5 of us, but all the 'business' was left in my hands, because the others were neither capable or responsible enough to deal with it. Everyone expressed interest in wanting to run/manage in some part, but no one really had any idea of how stuff worked.

One guy just liked to say "We should do..." or "We need to do" ...but never wanted to do it himself, just wanted to delegate and have someone else enact and handle whatever. A few of the others voiced that they wanted to do things but literally had no idea how stuff worked, no idea about inventory control, wholesale ordering much less the accounting and tax related stuff.

If I could only reclaim the hours I'd have to explain that selling an item for $20 isn't making $20, or the need to track sales for sales tax purposes by item categories (different rates for different classes of items across different tax jurisdictions in state). Or how actual accounting for tax purposes worked. Retail/merch was only one aspect of what we did.

...even worse there later on were one or two we brought on who seemed to think they had business acumen that they didn't have (aka Dunning Kruger) and proposed stuff that was nonsense but also that they didn't understand enough about any aspect of business that they were suspicious that people were 'making out' better than others. None of which was true.

I left that situation, and I've watched it turn into a low-performing clusterfuck ever since. No one had the motivation or drive to put in the time and everyone who wanted to step up didn't have any skills under their belt.

xtsho · Mar 28, 2022

LeastExpectedGrower said:
I was a founding member of a LLC/Partnership in a non-related field. There were 5 of us, but all the 'business' was left in my hands, because the others were neither capable or responsible enough to deal with it. Everyone expressed interest in wanting to run/manage in some part, but no one really had any idea of how stuff worked.

One guy just liked to say "We should do..." or "We need to do" ...but never wanted to do it himself, just wanted to delegate and have someone else enact and handle whatever. A few of the others voiced that they wanted to do things but literally had no idea how stuff worked, no idea about inventory control, wholesale ordering much less the accounting and tax related stuff.

If I could only reclaim the hours I'd have to explain that selling an item for $20 isn't making $20, or the need to track sales for sales tax purposes by item categories (different rates for different classes of items across different tax jurisdictions in state). Or how actual accounting for tax purposes worked. Retail/merch was only one aspect of what we did.

...even worse there later on were one or two we brought on who seemed to think they had business acumen that they didn't have (aka Dunning Kruger) and proposed stuff that was nonsense but also that they didn't understand enough about any aspect of business that they were suspicious that people were 'making out' better than others. None of which was true.

I left that situation, and I've watched it turn into a low-performing clusterfuck ever since. No one had the motivation or drive to put in the time and everyone who wanted to step up didn't have any skills under their belt.

I had a couple people ask me to get involved with their plans when it was legalized in Oregon. Getting involved was investing money to purchase equipment etc... I asked one simple question. "Who are you going to sell to?" The answer I got from both was "It will sell." Needless to say I never got involved. Today one of the guys is working through a temporary staffing agency to pay their bills. I'm drinking microbrew and grilling steaks in the backyard without a care in the world. My money is still in the bank or bitcoin wallet.

Something as simple as having an outlet for your product was something they didn't know. They thought that because they could grow good weed that all they had to do was grow it and buyers would come in droves. They soon found out that nobody wanted their weed or they didn't even know how to sell it. I don't know all of the particulars as they stopped wanting contact with me since I didn't get involved. Well after a couple years and a million pound surplus of cannabis in Oregon they were done. It really sucks because I had been really good friends with one for years. Last time I saw him there was some animosity on his part even though I never said "I told you so." I had nothing to do with their failure but they are mad that I didn't help them out and throw my good money after their bad.

I don't have any formal business training. I'm an IT guy but I understand how things work and know that you need a business plan to be successful in any business. Sure there are the exceptions here and there. Some grandma starts selling cookies and gets rich. That is not going to happen in the cannabis industry where billions of "Smart" money has entered the game. These guys were guppies swimming in a pool of sharks and got eaten alive.

LeastExpectedGrower · Mar 28, 2022

xtsho said:
I had a couple people ask me to get involved with their plans when it was legalized in Oregon. Getting involved was investing money to purchase equipment etc... I asked one simple question. "Who are you going to sell to?" The answer I got from both was "It will sell." Needless to say I never got involved. Today one of the guys is working through a temporary staffing agency to pay their bills. I'm drinking microbrew and grilling steaks in the backyard without a care in the world. My money is still in the bank or bitcoin wallet.

Something as simple as having an outlet for your product was something they didn't know. They thought that because they could grow good weed that all they had to do was grow it and buyers would come in droves. They soon found out that nobody wanted their weed or they didn't even know how to sell it. I don't know all of the particulars as they stopped wanting contact with me since I didn't get involved. Well after a couple years and a million pound surplus of cannabis in Oregon they were done. It really sucks because I had been really good friends with one for years. Last time I saw him there was some animosity on his part even though I never said "I told you so." I had nothing to do with their failure but they are mad that I didn't help them out and throw my good money after their bad.

I don't have any formal business training. I'm an IT guy but I understand how things work and know that you need a business plan to be successful in any business. Sure there are the exceptions here and there. Some grandma starts selling cookies and gets rich. That is not going to happen in the cannabis industry where billions of "Smart" money has entered the game. These guys were guppies swimming in a pool of sharks and got eaten alive.

Not unusual here to see a business plan that looks like:

1) grow
2) ?????
3) PROFIT!!!!!11One!

...sometimes on larger pro operations but also guys planning on grey or black market. Profiting means selling, means having an established client base, means (in this area of commerce ) building trusting relationships...and that's without even dealing with all the legal/regulatory stuff on actual legal grow/sell situations.

Now, I have no interest in selling, but even as someone who grows more than I use, it's hard enough to find people I trust to GIVE away my 'back stock,' much less sell it outright. And that's in a state where its legal to have and to share with others.

Lordhooha · Mar 28, 2022

LeastExpectedGrower said:
Not unusual here to see a business plan that looks like:

1) grow
2) ?????
3) PROFIT!!!!!11One!

...sometimes on larger pro operations but also guys planning on grey or black market. Profiting means selling, means having an established client base, means (in this area of commerce ) building trusting relationships...and that's without even dealing with all the legal/regulatory stuff on actual legal grow/sell situations.

Now, I have no interest in selling, but even as someone who grows more than I use, it's hard enough to find people I trust to GIVE away my 'back stock,' much less sell it outright. And that's in a state where its legal to have and to share with others.

Lol that’s a solid business plan. I look at it like i have the education I also have the knowledge to grow and enough sense to know one I can’t do it all but I’m directly responsible and two to make money you have to spend it and invest or reinvest in yourself. Marketing is another aspect that’s overlooked to a great extent in this business. @xtsho I’ve seen all too often or heard the response it’ll sell or I know a guy that runs a dispo and promised to buy everything I had for x amount of dollars. 3 months later dude lost the dispo because of yet again bad business practices. It’s sad to see and hear but it’s only the fault of the people trying to change the industry to match their stoner lifestyle.

rmax · Mar 28, 2022

mitessuck said:
fail on their own

People have to come to their own conclusions.

From a business stand point I'm starting to wonder why people grow instead of importing from Oregon or California.

"Maine to Oregon is 3215 miles. It takes approximately 2 days 2h to drive from Maine to Oregon."

At 20MPG that's 160 gallons of fuel one way.

Less than a week round trip from the two furthest points in CONUS. Be the Happy Frog hopping from rec state to rec state.

xtsho · Mar 28, 2022

LeastExpectedGrower said:
Not unusual here to see a business plan that looks like:

1) grow
2) ?????
3) PROFIT!!!!!11One!

...sometimes on larger pro operations but also guys planning on grey or black market. Profiting means selling, means having an established client base, means (in this area of commerce ) building trusting relationships...and that's without even dealing with all the legal/regulatory stuff on actual legal grow/sell situations.

Now, I have no interest in selling, but even as someone who grows more than I use, it's hard enough to find people I trust to GIVE away my 'back stock,' much less sell it outright. And that's in a state where its legal to have and to share with others.

There was quite a bit of the "We're going to get rich" "If we grow it they will come" mentality in the beginning. Quite often it didn't work out.

These guys didn't make it.

LeastExpectedGrower · Mar 28, 2022

Lordhooha said:
Lol that’s a solid business plan. I look at it like i have the education I also have the knowledge to grow and enough sense to know one I can’t do it all but I’m directly responsible and two to make money you have to spend it and invest or reinvest in yourself. Marketing is another aspect that’s overlooked to a great extent in this business. @xtsho I’ve seen all too often or heard the response it’ll sell or I know a guy that runs a dispo and promised to buy everything I had for x amount of dollars. 3 months later dude lost the dispo because of yet again bad business practices. It’s sad to see and hear but it’s only the fault of the people trying to change the industry to match their stoner lifestyle.

The 'reinvestment' pill is a hard one for people to swallow often. For years in my other business we didn't take any pay, we plowed it all back into the business, into hardware that we needed for it and a huge portion back into promo. I regularly forked over some of my own money into areas that were important to me (like paying out of pocket for quality graphic design). And in all honesty, that's the stuff that ended up making a big difference. Amazing how having a really great logo, graphic presence and spending the $$$ to get your 'brand' in front of people makes a huge difference.

Often times by having really good visuals (no stereotype hokey stuff) for publication/promotion/video made people in the public and the industry take us seriously, that led to more 'gigs' and more sales and more profile...all of which drove up our income that we continued to plow back into the business. Good marketing not only takes $$$ but also takes time and effort and energy. Social Media? Pointless unless you're constantly reminding your target that you're there, that you're good and what's next. If you're not willing to do it in a consistent and regular way as well as something that rings genuine with your audience...don't do it.

I personally am always afraid of the 'I've got a friend...' deals in the world. At best they're a break even, at worst they may damage your mission/goals. You get what you pay for.

mitessuck · Mar 28, 2022

rmax said:
People have to come to their own conclusions.

From a business stand point I'm starting to wonder why people grow instead of importing from Oregon or California.

"Maine to Oregon is 3215 miles. It takes approximately 2 days 2h to drive from Maine to Oregon."

At 20MPG that's 160 gallons of fuel one way.

Less than a week round trip from the two furthest points in CONUS. Be the Happy Frog hopping from rec state to rec state.

I looked at that, its because interstate commerce is regulated by the fed and weed is still federally illegal, meaning any transportation of weed across state lines is a felony that the fed has indicated it does still care about and will enforce, apart from the issue of having to drive it through states without legal weed, cross a lot of unfriendly land going from CA to IL or NY for example. Otherwise its totally cheaper to grow in OR or CA.

LeastExpectedGrower · Mar 28, 2022

rmax said:
People have to come to their own conclusions.

From a business stand point I'm starting to wonder why people grow instead of importing from Oregon or California.

"Maine to Oregon is 3215 miles. It takes approximately 2 days 2h to drive from Maine to Oregon."

At 20MPG that's 160 gallons of fuel one way.

Less than a week round trip from the two furthest points in CONUS. Be the Happy Frog hopping from rec state to rec state.

I don't want to know about the liability situation with driving/delivering across country...so many states with laws that'll lock you up and divest you of your car and property, then there's the federal risk as well.

That would be my first concern.

Next up, an analysis of your actual production cost, vs. what you can wholesale for, but then include what it would cost in transportation (not just gas, but hotels, tolls, food/drink, ancillaries like parking costs, wear & tear-depreciation and repairs on vehicles, hours on the road and whatever that payroll looks like).

I'm guessing once you assess the production cost and the transportation cost and look at wholesale pricing there's not very much meat on the bone for profit.

mitessuck · Mar 28, 2022

LeastExpectedGrower said:
I don't want to know about the liability situation with driving/delivering across country...so many states with laws that'll lock you up and divest you of your car and property, then there's the federal risk as well.

That would be my first concern.

Next up, an analysis of your actual production cost, vs. what you can wholesale for, but then include what it would cost in transportation (not just gas, but hotels, tolls, food/drink, ancillaries like parking costs, wear & tear-depreciation and repairs on vehicles, hours on the road and whatever that payroll looks like).

I'm guessing once you assess the production cost and the transportation cost and look at wholesale pricing there's not very much meat on the bone for profit.

What swings it is the economy of scale thing, at least it would if weed were like any normal plant. You can pretty much apply the same analysis to fruit and root veggies too. As I mentioned and as you noted, all that breaks down because of the messed up legal status of weed right now. But in the same way that a lot of avocados, almonds and other fruits are grown in CA and transported across country, the costs work out for weed too, at least if we ignore all the legal problems. We can't of course. But if we could the same kind of agricultural concentration as we have for other things would happen with weed in CA, OR and a lot of the south.

rmax · Mar 28, 2022

LeastExpectedGrower said:
Amazing how having a really great logo, graphic presence and spending the $$$ to get your 'brand' in front of people makes a huge difference.

Movie quote:

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Ray Kroc : Alright.

Dick McDonald : That day we met, when we gave you the tour...

Ray Kroc : Uh huh. What about it?

Dick McDonald : We showed you everything. The whole system, all of our secrets. We were an open book. So why didn't you just...

Ray Kroc : Steal it? Just, grab your ideas and run off, start my own business... using all those ideas of yours. It would have failed.

Dick McDonald : How do you know?

Ray Kroc : Am I the only one who got the kitchen tour? You must have invited lots of people back there, huh?

Dick McDonald : And?

Ray Kroc : How many of them succeeded?

Dick McDonald : Lots of people started restaurants.

Ray Kroc : As big as McDonald's?

Dick McDonald : Of course not.

Ray Kroc : No one ever has and no one ever will because they all lacked that one thing... that makes McDonald's special.

Dick McDonald : Which is?

Ray Kroc : Even you don't know what it is.

Dick McDonald : Enlighten me.

Ray Kroc : It's not just the system, Dick. It's the name. That glorious name, McDonald's. It could be, anything you want it to be... it's limitless, it's wide open... it sounds, uh... it sounds like... it sounds like America. That's compared to Kroc. What a crock. What a load of crock. Would you eat at a place named Kroc's? Kroc's has that blunt, Slavic sound. Kroc's. But McDonald's, oh boy. That's a beauty. A guy named McDonald? He's never gonna get pushed around in life.

Dick McDonald : That's clearly not the case.

Ray Kroc : So, you don't have a check for 1.35 million dollars in your pocket? Bye Dick.

Dick McDonald : So if you can't beat'em, buy'em.

Ray Kroc : I remember the first time I saw that name stretched across your stand out there. It was love at first sight. I knew right then and there... I had to have it. And now I do.

Dick McDonald : You don't have it.

Ray Kroc : You sure about that?

Ray Kroc : Bye Dick.

xtsho · Mar 28, 2022

Lordhooha said:
Lol that’s a solid business plan. I look at it like i have the education I also have the knowledge to grow and enough sense to know one I can’t do it all but I’m directly responsible and two to make money you have to spend it and invest or reinvest in yourself. Marketing is another aspect that’s overlooked to a great extent in this business. @xtsho I’ve seen all too often or heard the response it’ll sell or I know a guy that runs a dispo and promised to buy everything I had for x amount of dollars. 3 months later dude lost the dispo because of yet again bad business practices. It’s sad to see and hear but it’s only the fault of the people trying to change the industry to match their stoner lifestyle.

rmax said:
People have to come to their own conclusions.

From a business stand point I'm starting to wonder why people grow instead of importing from Oregon or California.

"Maine to Oregon is 3215 miles. It takes approximately 2 days 2h to drive from Maine to Oregon."

At 20MPG that's 160 gallons of fuel one way.

Less than a week round trip from the two furthest points in CONUS. Be the Happy Frog hopping from rec state to rec state.

You can't transport Marijuana across state lines. Oregon has already passed legislation allowing the import and export of cannabis from other states with actual legislation but it's still illegal under federal law.

Also the laws in all states that allow legal cannabis for sale and use have state laws that govern everything from seed to sale. Once it is legalized at the federal level it will still take time for states to determine how interstate commerce of cannabis is allowed in their state. There is no universal on or off switch. Some states may decide to only allow locally grown cannabis while others may let it be a free for all.

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