Is Justified Murder Excusable?

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spandy

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Yeah, if some piece of shit raped one of my daughters or my wife, no one around here is going to have any form of justice knowing that the piece of shit who did that gets to create a new life in prison, and then get out a few years later and move on while we live with it forever.

Bury that same piece of shit in the middle of no where and tell no one about it, that's justice.

Maybe if our sentencing guidelines weren't completely fucked, I could support them rotting in a cell, but they don't, they get out all too soon. So until things change, there are certain things that if we, unfortunately, ever have to deal with, I wont be involving the police.
 
doublejj

doublejj

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Just for the record, I'm not for the death penalty....for 2 reasons.......very few people know more than I what kind of hell prison is each day, & execution is short & sweet. Life in prison is a worse death. also...... I've know a few convicts that swore to me every day that they were innocent, and DNA finally proved them right & they were released.....what if 'WE' had executed them?......can you imagine being executed for a crime you know you didn't commit & just could not convince people......now there's a hellish thought.....
 
doublejj

doublejj

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420God said:
People don't "rot" in prison, they're pampered and protected. Some people don't deserve to live.


Death Row Inmate's Life Of 'Leisure': Danny Robbie Hembree Writes Shocking Letter


A North Carolina community is outraged by a death row inmate's public note outlining his life of "leisure" and mocking the families of his victims.
In an open letter to the The Gaston Gazette, convicted murderer Danny Robbie Hembree Jr. taunts a "cowardly" justice system and lists the luxuries he enjoys while locked up behind bars at Central Prison in Raleigh.

~~~> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/26/death-row-inmate-letter_n_1233890.html
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This guy is already on death row......I say just give him life in prison. Tell him to "take a look at the 4 walls around you.....they are your coffin"......now die soon please, we need the room.....
 
budbuddingding

budbuddingding

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you mean like Dexter? but without the internal NEED to kill all the time? revenge is one thing, but killing someone when they have not actually killed is beyond revenge, it goes beyond"an eye for an eye" which gandhi in a sense disagreed with when he said an eye for an eye would make the whole world blind...although i disagree with his statement add i think an eye for an eye...people would so fucking around if they knew the would really suffer the consequences, hence my quote, an eye for an eye would make people stop going stupid shit and hurting other people. well i think it would make a difference.

from what i understand it won't change anything that's happened in the past and you may not get the piece of mind you think you may get.....watch Dexter tv series lol me and my gf watched it all and it brings up this kinda thinking....when is it right? certainly in some cases some people do deserve to die.
 
doublejj

doublejj

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Make no mistake, 'Life In Prison' is a death sentence.......we're just not going to 'Expedite' the order!.....
 
Total Head

Total Head

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spandy said:
Yeah, if some piece of shit raped one of my daughters or my wife, no one around here is going to have any form of justice knowing that the piece of shit who did that gets to create a new life in prison, and then get out a few years later and move on while we live with it forever.

Bury that same piece of shit in the middle of no where and tell no one about it, that's justice.

Maybe if our sentencing guidelines weren't completely fucked, I could support them rotting in a cell, but they don't, they get out all too soon. So until things change, there are certain things that if we, unfortunately, ever have to deal with, I wont be involving the police.
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this right here.

you can say that there's a right and a wrong way to go about taking care of things, but when the "right way" doesn't bring anyone any peace, the argument of "living with what you've done for revenge" doesn't hold much water. either way you have regrets. there's people in prison on their third fucking murder conviction with a release date living among guys with life sentences for ATTEMPTED murder. having to see some violent career criminal who did some heinous shit to my family walking around free after a few years is bullshit. letting the system do its thing is fine if the law is equally applied to everyone, but it's not. living with oneself knowing that they let some piece of shit get some bullshit sentence for their 5th violent crime vs living with oneself for fucking that motherfucker up. i know which one i'd rather live with.

the legal system is designed to give everyone a fair shot at being found not guilty, and that's a good thing, but just because someone's fancy lawyer got evidence thrown out and got them off or got them some bullshit deal does not mean that person shouldn't face consequences.
 
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spandy

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budbuddingding said:
revenge is one thing, but killing someone when they have not actually killed is beyond revenge, it goes beyond"an eye for an eye" which gandhi in a sense disagreed with when he said an eye for an eye would make the whole world blind...although i disagree with his statement add i think an eye for an eye...people would so fucking around if they knew the would really suffer the consequences, hence my quote, an eye for an eye would make people stop going stupid shit and hurting other people. well i think it would make a difference.
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Gandhi is entitled to his opinion, but there are much worse things in this world than killing someone.

Besides, someone rapes my little girl, how do you replicate that in a form of eye for an eye justice? Who's dick do we use to administer the "punishment?" What if the attacker likes being fucked in the ass, what then?

Sex crimes aren't like other crimes, and an eye for an eye cannot be applied to this type of act. How do you explain a rape victim killing themselves? Wouldn't you think they would rather kill their rapist instead of themselves? Gee, could it be because they felt that death would be sweeter than living life as a victim of a sex crime?

In my book, certain crimes do not constitute rehabilitation or a second chance, your judgment will be had on the spot. And apparently, there are others in this country who feel the same, and recently.




http://abcnews.go.com/US/charges-texas-father-beat-death-daughters-molester/story?id=16612071#.UcDNiE3nZdg
 
sunni

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doublejj said:
Just for the record, I'm not for the death penalty....for 2 reasons.......very few people know more than I what kind of hell prison is each day, & execution is short & sweet. Life in prison is a worse death. also...... I've know a few convicts that swore to me every day that they were innocent, and DNA finally proved them right & they were released.....what if 'WE' had executed them?......can you imagine being executed for a crime you know you didn't commit & just could not convince people......now there's a hellish thought.....
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like the MA 3? . poor kids. 16,17,18 sentenced to life in prison and 1 on death row the guy has to wear sunglasses everyday now for the rest of his life because he could only been in a small room 23 hours a day.
 
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minnesmoker

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Read the first 25 or so posts.

I am not sure how guilt works -- but, I'm lead to understand that people feel it for actions they have taken that they know are wrong. In my opinion, if you lost a single night of sleep over fixing the problem you described, you should re-evaluate your moral code. I'm not meaning that as an insult, I'm saying that if you acted in defense, of yourself or another person, and you feel guilt at that, you should evaluate how you view victims of violence. All life, from the smallest single celled organism to humans, all the way to whales, all life is equal. We pick and choose what life we "value." In your case, you made a decision to value the life of a victim more than the life of a violent perpetrator. That sounds about right. We kill pests all the time. When you remove the "human" aspect, you see that your possible actions would have simply removed a pest, a pest akin to a walking, talking black mamba.

I agree with everyone that said that if you hesitated, if you plotted, and, if you would otherwise not kill a person who wronged another, than you are wrong. If you had time to plot (further than protecting innocents and yourself) than the pest was no longer a pest, and if your constitutional/moral structure is not one that believes in just squashing an innocent life, than you violated your moral code, and are wrong. If that is your moral structure, than you committed murder.

I wouldn't feel bad, personally, and think that if you have the constitution for it, and have walked clear of it, than you're still on moral high-ground.
 
ASMALLVOICE

ASMALLVOICE

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minnesmoker said:
Read the first 25 or so posts.

I am not sure how guilt works -- but, I'm lead to understand that people feel it for actions they have taken that they know are wrong. In my opinion, if you lost a single night of sleep over fixing the problem you described, you should re-evaluate your moral code. I'm not meaning that as an insult, I'm saying that if you acted in defense, of yourself or another person, and you feel guilt at that, you should evaluate how you view victims of violence. All life, from the smallest single celled organism to humans, all the way to whales, all life is equal. We pick and choose what life we "value." In your case, you made a decision to value the life of a victim more than the life of a violent perpetrator. That sounds about right. We kill pests all the time. When you remove the "human" aspect, you see that your possible actions would have simply removed a pest, a pest akin to a walking, talking black mamba.

I agree with everyone that said that if you hesitated, if you plotted, and, if you would otherwise not kill a person who wronged another, than you are wrong. If you had time to plot (further than protecting innocents and yourself) than the pest was no longer a pest, and if your constitutional/moral structure is not one that believes in just squashing an innocent life, than you violated your moral code, and are wrong. If that is your moral structure, than you committed murder.

I wouldn't feel bad, personally, and think that if you have the constitution for it, and have walked clear of it, than you're still on moral high-ground.
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As for me personally, I could not look my loved one in the face and have them ask why I did not do anything to the one who hurt them, that is a fate far worse than any guilt I would, could feel for killing the pervert. That is something I can say for sure at this time. The rest would have to play out if the scenario ever happened, and I sincerely pray it does not.

Peace

Asmallvoice
 
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