Is there anything currently better then amare?

OLD MOTHER SATIVA

Well-Known Member
1/2 price? must have got one hell of a deal on those cobs and meanwell drivers and heat sinks.

with 12 cobs?? wow how much was it to use 12 cobs with passive heatsinks if you buy it all?

I got to see this light!! Pics!

Found something you got lens too for 1/2 price?


actually a photo of a serious pure sativa grower using cobs who will not accept "indica/ized "substitutes
 

Evil-Mobo

Well-Known Member
actually a photo of a serious pure sativa grower using cobs who will not accept "indica/ized "substitutes
That picture is mine which he helped himself to and yes I have a personal preference for Sativas. I have a high tolerance and just enjoy the feeling of medicating with them vs the Indica dominant plants. The plants in that pic are testers I am running for a breeder. I have the same strains under a 1K HPS on the other side of the flower area and will compare the grows at the end, the HPS side is a couple weeks behind the LED side. ............
 
Last edited:

Uberknot

Well-Known Member
Let me know when you're done editing your post constantly. How is running a cxb 3590 @ 75w each over driving it lol. You are quickly starting to show how you have no clue what you are arguing about and are just a fan boy.

Look a kit from Timber where they "over drive" the same COB's with the same Driver I am using.......

http://timbergrowlights.com/300-watt-cree-cxb3590-4-cob-grow-light-kit/

I already listed my parts including the lenses but apparently reading escapes you as you keep asking questions that have already been answered.

You're clearly in here to argue with anyone who does not want to buy a Timber kit or list any kind of alternative. It does not do anyone any good.

I am just showing you do not have a 600 watt kit from timber with 12 cobs and chose to drive them more and only use 8 cobs.

I drive my cobs at 35 watts x 4.

But yeah if you just wanted to use 8 @ 75W that's a valid set up......it makes things cheaper.
 

Evil-Mobo

Well-Known Member
I am just showing you do not have a 600 watt kit from timber with 12 cobs and chose to crive them more and only use 8 cobs.

I drive my cobs at 35 watts x 4.
And I already showed that when I Iisted my parts. I stated in a post you quoted that I am not running 12 COB's on my light. And you stated I am over driving my lights when the COB's are rated for much higher wattage as is. Then the funniest part about it is Timber sells identical 300W kits (one of my bar setups) but you do not accuse "Timber" of over driving lights.

So what now again did you want to argue?

I simply pointed out the 600W light is over priced for what it is, and that's my opinion as a DIY guy who built my own 600W light and grow with it, not spewing crap from a data sheet. Please go ahead and price my parts list out and tell me where you come up with $1349 plus shipping. You didn't and you won't because you know I am right.

Everyone doesn't have to use your light or buy from where you did, or do it how you would, there's more than one way to get it done. Open your mind and learn instead of being so quick to argue with everyone and push lights down people's throats you have not even grown with.
 

Uberknot

Well-Known Member
And I already showed that when I Iisted my parts. I stated in a post you quoted that I am not running 12 COB's on my light. And you stated I am over driving my lights when the COB's are rated for much higher wattage as is. Then the funniest part about it is Timber sells identical 300W kits (one of my bar setups) but you do not accuse "Timber" of over driving lights.

So what now again did you want to argue?

Where is the list I didn't see it.

It would be nice to know where you got the parts cheap. ;)

I am always looking for a better deal that's why I did not buy anything from anyone and DIY my own thing.
 

Evil-Mobo

Well-Known Member
Where is the list I didn't see it.

It would be nice to know where you got the parts cheap. ;)

I am always looking for a better deal that's why I did not buy anything from anyone and DIY my own thing.
I am amazed how someone can quote something in one post and then continue to ask for the information over and over again..............
 

Uberknot

Well-Known Member
I am amazed how someone can quote something in one post and then continue to ask for the information over and over again..............

I am amazed and done ignored cya...

I liked the Idea of Half price....but you took it personal...oh well have a nice life.

Oh yeah unwatching this train wreck. lol!

DIY is the way to go period.:peace:
 
Last edited:

Hybridway

Well-Known Member
Sure and all I ever wanted was to make you aware that what you where trying to tell people was misinformation and it's not anything about a company. Showing a spot reading under the center of a lamp doesn't prove its X% better than any other lamp. I was just honestly trying to show you the errors in your interpretation of the data set you where being sent that was taken by a a lighting passport. There are several versions of it. The newest one is a high lux version that can read above 50000 Lux accurately. This is the reading I got from the Sun at 11:00 A.M. in East TN in November. If you would've calmed down and paid attention (to someone who honestly had no bad intentions just trying help educate ) you would've quickly saw the error in what you thought was the PPFD of the light in a specific area was in fact a spot reading and we would've both not had a problem. What I suggest is try not to be so know it all when someone in fact does know more than you on a particular topic (the lighting passport) . Just be more open minded and willing to at least fact check someones claim before going into self destruct/defense mode because everyone here isn't against your chosen brand of lights. Have you ever saw me say a thing negativity about Amare or any other company that's legit before honestly????? Out of all the hate GG had against me at one point there was never a time I trashed his company. I won't trash Amare either as both are good lights nothing wrong with them at all. What you will find is me trashing things like KIND LED and Advanced who try to deceive people and never divulge what leds they use and other such pertinent information and try to suck people in with plants don't use Green bullshit. I mean the blurple bullshit was so wide spread I had to teach an engineer that I highly respect in the lighting design industry that it wasn't the case. Anyhow glad that's over and we can move along and continue doing what we are here for(helping others).
I hear you & agree that open-mindedness is the key.
Although, I still do not feal you are right. Yes, PPFD mapping is done using multiple spot measurements. But that does not make the PPFD reading on the data-sheet I presented a center spot reading.
I came up w/ the high 756 as my PPFD @ 4' high in a 4.5'x4.5' area. The data sheet said 990ish. W/ that said, his PPFD was calculated in an actual reflective tent using a lighting passport (prolly even more accurate then my MQ-500), which increases the edge #'s by 20-30%, hence increasing the total PPFD from high 756 to high 990. Makes perfect sense.
So, when you were trying to tell poeple it was skewed info using only the center reading, I disagreed.
The center reading on the Pro-9 was 1380 @ 4'. So how could it be 990 in the data-sheet that specifically said 990 next to the word PPFD?
Any info I post is legit. I don't say you lie.
When you say stuff like that, many just believe you cuz you're a light owner. Fact is, we all make mistakes. But that day, the mistake was yours by saying the info was false.
Anyways, it's past us now. I've got no beef w/ you, do think your lights are decent & the fact that you're trying to stay on-top of new tech & ideas is great.
Hopefully we can continue to share space here w/o any more fall-outs like that.
 

Hybridway

Well-Known Member
1/2 price? must have got one hell of a deal on those cobs and meanwell drivers and heat sinks.

with 12 cobs?? wow how much was it to use 12 cobs with passive heatsinks if you buy it all?

I got to see this light!! Pics!

Found something you got lens too for 1/2 price?
Can we see your grow? That's my man Evils, not yours. You have no business posting a picture of his grow guy. If he wanted it here, he would've posted it do t you think?
 

Stephenj37826

Well-Known Member
I hear you & agree that open-mindedness is the key.
Although, I still do not feal you are right. Yes, PPFD mapping is done using multiple spot measurements. But that does not make the PPFD reading on the data-sheet I presented a center spot reading.
I came up w/ the high 756 as my PPFD @ 4' high in a 4.5'x4.5' area. The data sheet said 990ish. W/ that said, his PPFD was calculated in an actual reflective tent using a lighting passport (prolly even more accurate then my MQ-500), which increases the edge #'s by 20-30%, hence increasing the total PPFD from high 756 to high 990. Makes perfect sense.
So, when you were trying to tell poeple it was skewed info using only the center reading, I disagreed.
The center reading on the Pro-9 was 1380 @ 4'. So how could it be 990 in the data-sheet that specifically said 990 next to the word PPFD?
Any info I post is legit. I don't say you lie.
When you say stuff like that, many just believe you cuz you're a light owner. Fact is, we all make mistakes. But that day, the mistake was yours by saying the info was false.
Anyways, it's past us now. I've got no beef w/ you, do think your lights are decent & the fact that you're trying to stay on-top of new tech & ideas is great.
Hopefully we can continue to share space here w/o any more fall-outs like that.

Every time you use the lighting passport it shows PPFD.....

The picture below is a single point reading. Furthermore what Area did he test the Florida Sun in?

Besides wear if that PPFD measurement was multiple points. Even the way you calculated PPFD was incorrect as you counted all points on the grid equally. This is not the proper way to calculate PPFD as each point on the grid doesn't represent the same surface area. The only proper way to calculate PPFD is a Goniophotometer in all honestly. That's why I asked for that test. Once again not trying to bust your balls. Don't get me wrong a PAR Chart is handy in knowing how the particular light distributes it's output. It doesn't however tell the whole story by averaging the numbers up. I mean honestly the Maximizer looks awesome this way. I don't publish that as factual data because it's misleading. Screenshot_20161210-112040.png
 

ttystikk

Well-Known Member
That 600w kit from timber is too expensive mine didn't even cost half as much to do myself. The bigger the kits get the less they make sense "if" you can DIY. To be fair I am not using as many COBs in my 600w light but this was intentional in design partly due to cost.

For a newb beginner their light source will make less of a difference on yield than many other factors. A 600 watt hps would get someone through their first year of growing just fine for a lot less money or two 315 LEC lights. Will they be the newest best most efficient data sheet winning light? Nope. But until that grower can hit close to 1 gpw in his/her garden the led at those pre built or kit cost is a waste.

Your yield has many factors and guys believe it or not the light is not the biggest when you're not a seasoned grower. People like @sixstring2112 and @Hybridway and @ttystikk can grow under a glow stick and that's what the new guys won't understand. My first harvest earlier this year was a real eye opener once my buds dried and cured. A lot of people making some big claims all the time about their harvest and well I can tell you people stretch the truth lol.

Just my $0.02
I'll go on record now as saying COB LED works better than glow sticks.
 

Hybridway

Well-Known Member
Every time you use the lighting passport it shows PPFD.....

The picture below is a single point reading. Furthermore what Area did he test the Florida Sun in?

Besides wear if that PPFD measurement was multiple points. Even the way you calculated PPFD was incorrect as you counted all points on the grid equally. This is not the proper way to calculate PPFD as each point on the grid doesn't represent the same surface area. The only proper way to calculate PPFD is a Goniophotometer in all honestly. That's why I asked for that test. Once again not trying to bust your balls. Don't get me wrong a PAR Chart is handy in knowing how the particular light distributes it's output. It doesn't however tell the whole story by averaging the numbers up. I mean honestly the Maximizer looks awesome this way. I don't publish that as factual data because it's misleading. View attachment 3850208
I took measurements & did calculations the same way everyone else does using the best measurement tool I could get my hands on.
It's not supposed to be the most factual reading. Only the most factual I could obtain.
You forget, I am not the owner or company. I am just a grower who does his best to share the facts the best way I can.
If more poeple did PPFD mapping for their pre-built fixtures then we'd all have better ideas of what they produce & where.
 
Top