patlpp
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WTF are U talking about scapegoat and saying things instantly? your perceptions are all FU'ed. Forget it, not worth the effort. Out
It wasn't Muslim who caused 9/11
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Scuba
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that might be true, personally i think we might go for ether Indonesia because of their military problems, or Pakistan because they openly admit to funding the Taliban and other "terrorist" groups. But it's speculation on the ladder.
John Stewart was talking about Obama taking interest in Indonesia because their military began slaughtering local tribes decades ago, now Obama wants to have a say in things. -.- great.
We already have Pakistan under control, Officially their government is considered an ally and of course we have plenty of troops searching for Taliban in Pakistan already. You don't hear anything about it much becasue its not an official military action. Plenty of CIA involved.
Why are we searching for Taliban anyway? I thought we were after terrorists and Al Queda? Or does the Taliban not like us occupying their land and so we have to kill them too?
Why are we searching for Taliban anyway? I thought we were after terrorists and Al Queda? Or does the Taliban not like us occupying their land and so we have to kill them too?
Scuba
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i just think it was easier for the American Govt. to point at a certain group of people and say "they are the bad guys" then it is to really find out whos doing what. and where they are doing it.
I just don't trust The American Govt, in general. Too many shady bullshit answers from our "officials"
Thats exactly what i think too, what better way to exterminate everything in the middle east by equating Muslims with terrorists and then have a never ending war against all terrorists around the globe. The USA has been pointing a finger at the middle east as the bad guys ever since May 14th, 1948.
doc111
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If exterminating the muslims was our goal then why have multiple, protracted occupations? Why not just drop a few nukes and be done with it, all else be damned?
Because we can't ruin the land for occupation, they have massive amounts of mineral wealth and Oil. Hard to get those things out of the ground when your face melts off every time you try. Besides the companies who build nuclear bombs have already made their money, now its time for the commercial manufacturers of munitions and other war time needs to make a killing ( Literally). Its already the longest war the USA has ever been involved in, whats another 10-20 years?If exterminating the muslims was our goal then why have multiple, protracted occupations? Why not just drop a few nukes and be done with it, all else be damned?
doc111
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Lmfao!!! Good point. Chemical agents? Biological?
Scuba
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Well if you know some of the marines that are over in Iran and Afghanistan then you would see, they are much more deadly then a bio weapon XDLmfao!!! Good point. Chemical agents? Biological?
I've got 4 cousins in the Marines 2 are snipers, the other are foot grunts who are over in Afghanistan now, they tell me of some fucked up shit that they have to do to the natives to make sure their not enemies.
doc111
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I'm former recon. I have firsthand knowledge of how deadly Marines are.
Scuba
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hahaha indeedI'm former recon. I have firsthand knowledge of how deadly Marines are.
SouthernGanja
Active Member
lol @ wall-o-text.
Scuba
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I know dude, it's overwhelming XD
Doer
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Ah, not in my experience. We don't have hate speech rules..This isn't Canada for God's sake!
Doer
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IAC, I read the wall of text...why? There was suppose to be proof. Nano thermite is only a sci-fi type claim. It may exist, don't get me wrong. But, this is Danish Science. WTF?? It was peer reviewed by snarling nut cases with the same agenda. The Chemical Journal in Europe also waves this banner.
Hate George Bush.. Fear and loathing....not for the Climate Liar, for some citizen from Texas that stepped up to suffer your scorn.
So, being an actual scientist, I waded through it with the same jaundiced eye I reserve for all peer reviewed paper I read each week. Folks are very confused. They think science ends with these papers. Hell no.
It begins with papers. No one pays a bit of attention to Mother Jones and other bullshit, include the National Standard Magazine, if they have sense. That is all lie. Science is 1/2 lie, so much better, right?
The 1/2 lie we see in this paper. He found something......OK...interesting red flakes at 1 mm and 100 um scale.
And the method seems solid....except for the collection of samples, chain of custody, protection from contamination, etc.
But, it devolves into a tortured logic. That is the Agenda. This paper seeks to prove an earlier, 2006 assertion.
That is not science. Science spends all it's effort to dis-prove. So, here is where it goes off the rails.
1. How Much of the Energetic Red Material Survived During the WTC Destruction?
They don't know..."....must be substantial given the fraction observed in these samplings."
LOGIC BOMB! Fails to connect the dots.
Were there pounds of it?
Is that enough?
Where there tons of it?
Is that too much?
They are concluding that nano-termites (WTF??) was used. (saw the typo and decide to leave it) Nano Termites....yeah that's the ticket.
How? How much? When? Where? Why? Who? I mean seriously, we know that to do this with thermite is possible......don't we???? Hell NO, we don't.
BOMB 2. If there is that much left over???? Did he attempt to explain why this highly entergetic, nano termite, manage to survive? Hell No. He wants it both ways.
1 - so energetic as to "explain" what happened in "the govt take down of a building"
2 - not so energetic that is burns completely....no termite exists that leaves un-burned residue like this. Did he make some nano termites, himself and test the residue. Hell no.
2. Is the Red Material Thermitic in Nature?
Yes
3. Could the Red Material Be Unreacted “Super-Thermite”?
The big Joke! Could it be? Is there such a thing?
4. Did the Technology to Make Highly Exothermic Nanocomposites Exist Prior to 9/11/2001?
Maybe, so what?
5. Can Super-Thermite be Handled Safely?
Yeah, if then, maybe
They ruled out paint and jumped to this conclusion.
"Based on these observations, we conclude that the redlayer of the red/gray chips we have discovered in the WTC dust is active, unreacted thermitic material, incorporating nanotechnology,(HELL NO, no technology was proved) and is a highly energetic pyrotechnic or explosive material.
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And then they immediately hit the talk shows in Europe. HATE BUSH with this tidbit....
What they did not consider and why it is bad science, is the fact that this material could have been manufactured by the event itself. That's right.
A logical explanation is the when Aluminum airplanes hit steel buildings full of organic materials. You coat tiny flecks of aluminum with a stew of iron vapor and organic silicates, etc.
As he showed from the manufactured examples, this stuff is not regular shaped and sized. And the "chip" sizes range through Orders of magnitude. 1 mm down to 100 um. And the material coats the irregular aluminum dust "chips." All the Aluminum is different shapes, so not manufactured.
So, my conclusion is that he went farther in proving that this event was more energetic than the deniers, He himself, wants to realize. It quite possible spread an instantly formed, Fe-Al, thermite like material onto Building 7.
So, to me this says the opposite of what this researcher's, Agenda Hound, forced him to conclude.
And if you don't know how to read peer review, don't bother. It is not for conclusions such as this.
Hate George Bush.. Fear and loathing....not for the Climate Liar, for some citizen from Texas that stepped up to suffer your scorn.
So, being an actual scientist, I waded through it with the same jaundiced eye I reserve for all peer reviewed paper I read each week. Folks are very confused. They think science ends with these papers. Hell no.
It begins with papers. No one pays a bit of attention to Mother Jones and other bullshit, include the National Standard Magazine, if they have sense. That is all lie. Science is 1/2 lie, so much better, right?
The 1/2 lie we see in this paper. He found something......OK...interesting red flakes at 1 mm and 100 um scale.
And the method seems solid....except for the collection of samples, chain of custody, protection from contamination, etc.
But, it devolves into a tortured logic. That is the Agenda. This paper seeks to prove an earlier, 2006 assertion.
That is not science. Science spends all it's effort to dis-prove. So, here is where it goes off the rails.
1. How Much of the Energetic Red Material Survived During the WTC Destruction?
They don't know..."....must be substantial given the fraction observed in these samplings."
LOGIC BOMB! Fails to connect the dots.
Were there pounds of it?
Is that enough?
Where there tons of it?
Is that too much?
They are concluding that nano-termites (WTF??) was used. (saw the typo and decide to leave it) Nano Termites....yeah that's the ticket.
How? How much? When? Where? Why? Who? I mean seriously, we know that to do this with thermite is possible......don't we???? Hell NO, we don't.
BOMB 2. If there is that much left over???? Did he attempt to explain why this highly entergetic, nano termite, manage to survive? Hell No. He wants it both ways.
1 - so energetic as to "explain" what happened in "the govt take down of a building"
2 - not so energetic that is burns completely....no termite exists that leaves un-burned residue like this. Did he make some nano termites, himself and test the residue. Hell no.
2. Is the Red Material Thermitic in Nature?
Yes
3. Could the Red Material Be Unreacted “Super-Thermite”?
The big Joke!
Could it be? Is there such a thing?4. Did the Technology to Make Highly Exothermic Nanocomposites Exist Prior to 9/11/2001?
Maybe, so what?
5. Can Super-Thermite be Handled Safely?
Yeah, if then, maybe
They ruled out paint and jumped to this conclusion.
"Based on these observations, we conclude that the redlayer of the red/gray chips we have discovered in the WTC dust is active, unreacted thermitic material, incorporating nanotechnology,(HELL NO, no technology was proved) and is a highly energetic pyrotechnic or explosive material.
-----------------------
And then they immediately hit the talk shows in Europe. HATE BUSH with this tidbit....
What they did not consider and why it is bad science, is the fact that this material could have been manufactured by the event itself. That's right.
A logical explanation is the when Aluminum airplanes hit steel buildings full of organic materials. You coat tiny flecks of aluminum with a stew of iron vapor and organic silicates, etc.
As he showed from the manufactured examples, this stuff is not regular shaped and sized. And the "chip" sizes range through Orders of magnitude. 1 mm down to 100 um. And the material coats the irregular aluminum dust "chips." All the Aluminum is different shapes, so not manufactured.
So, my conclusion is that he went farther in proving that this event was more energetic than the deniers, He himself, wants to realize. It quite possible spread an instantly formed, Fe-Al, thermite like material onto Building 7.
So, to me this says the opposite of what this researcher's, Agenda Hound, forced him to conclude.
And if you don't know how to read peer review, don't bother. It is not for conclusions such as this.
Colorado Sam
New Member
One of the side effects of ganja is paranoia. This thread seems to prove that concept. Destroy two building and kill 3,000 to attack the Middle East. Very much easier way to start a war folks. And what is there to gain. And in war, nasty things happen by both sides. That is why war is not nice for living things. Osama and his followers are the cause of 9-11. He claimed credit on 9-13-01 in his Video showed around the world. And stated his goal of Killing all Christian and Jews and destroying Israel and the USA. Or was that an inside job. Oh my God. I just started another bull shirt rumor.
desert dude
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It was a long time ago, but I could swear two airplanes flew into those buildings. Maybe it's just my imagination, but I could swear I watched video footage of those airplanes actually flying into those buildings and the buildings bursting into flames.
heckler73
Well-Known Member
And that's the unfortunate legacy... People don't remember much else, it seems.
They don't remember Enron and the SEC, they don't remember missing Trillions (high confidence)...
They don't remember the testing of new construction techniques on the Pentagon where the staff investigating the missing money were located (medium confidence)...
They don't remember weapon contracts, or tomahawk stockpiles that need to get used so new orders can be filled (medium confidence)...
They don't remember little vials of talcum powder in front of the UN (are-you-high confidence)...
So, it is just two planes, two buildings...
Mission Accomplished!
Would you buy an airline stock PUT Option on Sept. 10, 2001 from this guy?