Johnson grow light cx9

Kronickeeper

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Im looking for peoples personal experience with this light. Im aware that it uses the older cxa 3070 cobs that aren't as efficient as the cxb's, but if any one who has personal experience using this specific light could give me their opinion on it I would appreciate it. It would be used in a 4x4 tent space, I'm interested in any pros and cons you would have ran into while using it.
 

Airwalker16

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Im looking for peoples personal experience with this light. Im aware that it uses the older cxa 3070 cobs that aren't as efficient as the cxb's, but if any one who has personal experience using this specific light could give me their opinion on it I would appreciate it. It would be used in a 4x4 tent space, I'm interested in any pros and cons you would have ran into while using it.
It's just older tech. It'll still perform well. But there's other lights out there using CXB for not much more...
 

Gquebed

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Im looking for peoples personal experience with this light. Im aware that it uses the older cxa 3070 cobs that aren't as efficient as the cxb's, but if any one who has personal experience using this specific light could give me their opinion on it I would appreciate it. It would be used in a 4x4 tent space, I'm interested in any pros and cons you would have ran into while using it.
Check out the "indoor growing" section on this site. There is a thread with a completed grow on the first page right now. Blew my mind...
 

jackpotco

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I have been running 4 of these on one end of my grow and 4 HPS on the other end with same genetics under each. This was meant to be an LED vs. HPS back-off. The HPS are double ended Ushio bulbs running at 1000W and the Johnson CX9's running full throttle as well. The plants were vegged and flowered under these lights. Same genetics same nutes etc.

I am 2 weeks away from cut and the HPS side has much higher yields. That stated, the wildcard in this experiment is that the HPS lamps maintained a temperature ~85-90 degrees while the LED's were ~72-82 degrees while the lamps were on. Last night I was working in the garden and noticed that the LED's closest to the HPS did in fact have a very high yield after all while the plants towards the end of the LED just did not produce as much as the HPS. I will go a little further and say the buds under LED and closest to the HPS seemed to have even more resin than the straight HPS side, it just did not last for more than 2-3 feet then yields just tapered off.

So my overall feedback on this subject is that these LED's do a decent job however I would recommend using these as an adjunct to work with HPS/MH lamps. Next round I plan to alternate HPS/LED and get the best of both technologies.
 

Hybridway

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I have been running 4 of these on one end of my grow and 4 HPS on the other end with same genetics under each. This was meant to be an LED vs. HPS back-off. The HPS are double ended Ushio bulbs running at 1000W and the Johnson CX9's running full throttle as well. The plants were vegged and flowered under these lights. Same genetics same nutes etc.

I am 2 weeks away from cut and the HPS side has much higher yields. That stated, the wildcard in this experiment is that the HPS lamps maintained a temperature ~85-90 degrees while the LED's were ~72-82 degrees while the lamps were on. Last night I was working in the garden and noticed that the LED's closest to the HPS did in fact have a very high yield after all while the plants towards the end of the LED just did not produce as much as the HPS. I will go a little further and say the buds under LED and closest to the HPS seemed to have even more resin than the straight HPS side, it just did not last for more than 2-3 feet then yields just tapered off.

So my overall feedback on this subject is that these LED's do a decent job however I would recommend using these as an adjunct to work with HPS/MH lamps. Next round I plan to alternate HPS/LED and get the best of both technologies.
Thanks for sharing your experience w/ us. It's good to hear an honest review.
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Danielson999

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So my overall feedback on this subject is that these LED's do a decent job however I would recommend using these as an adjunct to work with HPS/MH lamps. Next round I plan to alternate HPS/LED and get the best of both technologies.
To be fair, you're comparing 4000w of HPS with about 2000w of LED. The LED's aren't meant to be used in conjunction, they do just great by themselves which is why some are getting huge yields off them. I think comparing 500w of LED to 1000w of HPS is a bit one-sided. I just watched a guy on youtube growing 2lbs in a 4x4 with 800w of these exact same 3070 cobs in 3500k spectrum. Plenty of other grows in here to compare to also. The nutrients might have also been a factor, LED grown buds tend to have diffrent requirements than HPS, albeit slight.
 

a mongo frog

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To be fair, you're comparing 4000w of HPS with about 2000w of LED. The LED's aren't meant to be used in conjunction, they do just great by themselves which is why some are getting huge yields off them. I think comparing 500w of LED to 1000w of HPS is a bit one-sided. I just watched a guy on youtube growing 2lbs in a 4x4 with 800w of these exact same 3070 cobs in 3500k spectrum. Plenty of other grows in here to compare to also. The nutrients might have also been a factor, LED grown buds tend to have diffrent requirements than HPS, albeit slight.
What lamps do you run with?
 

a mongo frog

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Although I bought them many months ago, my work season just ended which allowed me to finish the project. Will post pics in a couple months when things are closer to harvest. It's also just a smaller space, nothing like what most on here are doing. Originally with 8 cobs in a 2'x4' space but I do have extra heatsinks laying around to add something else like far/deep red or just more white cobs and eventually fill a 4'x4 space. Sorry if this derails the thread in any way. Enough about me.
Did you ask the poster all those questions before you shit on his review? Im mean now your talking White Widow and Big Bud and what looks like 3 month veg times. Any light could pull those numbers. You know that. Next time it might be a good idea to ask for some pics of his/her garden. That way maybe you could point out maybe its not the light, maybe its something else. Like plant health or other things.
 

Yodaweed

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Although I bought them many months ago, my work season just ended which allowed me to finish the project. Will post pics in a couple months when things are closer to harvest. It's also just a smaller space, nothing like what most on here are doing. Originally with 8 cobs in a 2'x4' space but I do have extra heatsinks laying around to add something else like far/deep red or just more white cobs and eventually fill a 4'x4 space. Sorry if this derails the thread in any way. Enough about me.
And? Are you growing pounds all over the room? Can yo show us?
Looks like hes going for a few ounces not a few pounds...
 

Danielson999

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Looks like hes going for a few ounces not a few pounds...
You're right I am but this has nothing to do with the OP's thread or his lights. I'll be happy with whatever I get come xmas time errr...late January. These are 3 weeks old.
 
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jackpotco

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To be fair, you're comparing 4000w of HPS with about 2000w of LED. The LED's aren't meant to be used in conjunction, they do just great by themselves which is why some are getting huge yields off them. I think comparing 500w of LED to 1000w of HPS is a bit one-sided. I just watched a guy on youtube growing 2lbs in a 4x4 with 800w of these exact same 3070 cobs in 3500k spectrum. Plenty of other grows in here to compare to also. The nutrients might have also been a factor, LED grown buds tend to have diffrent requirements than HPS, albeit slight.
So these lights were positioned 1 per 4x4 area the same footprint as the HPS lamps I use since that's how they were supposed to be setup according to specifications and that these are supposed comparable to 1000 watt HPS. I do understand your point that it doesn't seem fair according to watt consumption however the manufacturer (Johnson) says this is the configuration to use and these Lamps are $1100 each. So it sounds like you are suggesting I use more in a smaller footprint overlapping, say 3 of these for a 4x8 area?
 
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Danielson999

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So these lights were positioned 1 per 4x4 area the same footprint as the HPS lamps I use since that's how they were supposed to be setup according to specifications and that these are supposed comparable to 1000 watt HPS. I do understand your point that it doesn't fair however the manufacturer (Johnson) says this is the configuration to use and they are $1100 each. So it sounds like you are suggesting I use more in a smaller footprint overlapping, say 3 of these for a 4x8 area?
3 in an 8'x4' would be 50w per sq ft and about ideal. I think that would compare much better to 2-1000w HPS. 1620w vs 2000w. Probably get much more similar results. I understand that those are supposed to replace a 1000w HPS but after hundreds of grows, video's, measurements and testing from all types of sources it appears that 400w of LED is a good comparison to 600w of HPS. 700w of LED would be much closer to the photon output of 1000w of HPS with all other things being equal. I've never seen anyone use around half the power in LED's and equal the yield of twice the amount of HPS. I really love the cobs though. I find myself having to turn them up a bit higher and raise them up a bit just so they throw enough heat to keep conditions nice but my setup is small compared to yours. I've seen more than a few grows in RIU of guys going with 800w in a 4'x4' with LED but I think that's a bit overkill in PPFD, especially with newer gen cobs.
 

jackpotco

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Just an update to my previous post on this as I'm a week away from cut and while the Johnson LED's did not produce as much weight I wanted to let you all know that the plants under those lamps are stickier than the hps and I have made sure the temperature never went too high under the hps.

I had read that LED's preserved more essential oils and I now can attest to this being true.

So as Danielson999 mentioned while it may not be fair comparing a 540 watt LED to a 1000 watt HPS and I tend to agree (even though the LED mfgs say it's a comp) these Johnson LED's did produce what appears to be 30% less than 1000 watt HPS however LED side has more resin in the flowers than the HPS.

I still plan to alternate the lights for the next grow. This will give me more consistent temperatures and should do well with the mixed overlapping light waves.
 

a mongo frog

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I still plan to alternate the lights for the next grow.
What for? You got more resinous you say, which would mean to me that your quality is better then when you grew with hps. If your first grow with new lighting technoligy is a little less weight, but obvious better quality your winning. Mess around with your gardening practices and figure how to yield more. would rather have a pound of super sticky stooper dank then 1 1/2 pounds of some bull shit ok looking stuff.
 
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