Jwh-018

"The US Drug Enforcement Agency announced on 24 November 2010 that it will use its emergency scheduling authority to ban the drug for one year while further studies are conducted. It will be placed in Schedule 1 of the Controlled Substances Act after no fewer than 30 days from the date of the announcement."

There are some vendors doing pre-ban sales, I will not list it here (as that breaks the rules) but if you would like to know more, PM me.

Too bad.

Pretty good stuff too.

Agreed. You never know what the DEA will say though.. maybe it comes up harmless and they don't schedule it next year?

shepj said:

Agreed. You never know what the DEA will say though.. maybe it comes up harmless and they don't schedule it next year?

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LOL YEAH RIGHT....

We wish the DEA was logical... for fucks sake we have banned flavored rolling papers & tobacco products because "it makes kids want to smoke". Well shit too bad all those 12 year olds are walking into the 7/11 to get some candy flavored paper and rolling tobacco.

I can still buy Juicy Jays (flavored rolling paper) at the mall mini stand headshop where I am... and salvia's illegal in my state :/. I think flavored cigarettes are illegal not flavored rolling paper, at lest in the US. An rolling tobacco is still legal (unless your taking about flavored). An that's the problem the DEA is just banning it instead of taking the time to run scientific testing on it's possible harmful side effects. Being a person who highly over indulged in it, it saddens me I won't know the possible horrible side effects I might occur in a few years... I still lie awake at night with horrible anxiety thinking I could have possible shortened my life greatly from my stupid decision of just wanting to get high .

Sr. Verde said:

We wish the DEA was logical... for fucks sake we have banned flavored rolling papers & tobacco products because "it makes kids want to smoke".

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Are you aware how many people die a year from Tobacco products? They need replacement customers for when the current addicts die.. I agree with the DEA on many issues.

Swag said:

An that's the problem the DEA is just banning it instead of taking the time to run scientific testing on it's possible harmful side effects.

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They are making a good call.. notice they only banned naphthoylindoles and no others in the JWH-family? There is probably some shit they have access to / know that we don't.

They just need to follow with Tobacco, Alcohol, and Pharmaceuticals.

shepj said:

They are making a good call.. notice they only banned naphthoylindoles and no others in the JWH-family? There is probably some shit they have access to / know that we don't.

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Yeah but wouldn't the majority of them fall under the Federal Analogue Act as their mostly aminoindolealkaloids (my chemistry might be wrong, please correct me if I am)? An when you say they know something we don't about them do you think it is possible toxicity information they're holding back because I think if it was toxic they wouldn't be happy enough rub it in all the "stoners" faces.

Swag said:

Yeah but wouldn't the majority of them fall under the Federal Analogue Act

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No. Any of the JWH-018 and JWH-200 analogs will (e.g. JWH-019 and probably the RCS/BTM/SR series).

Swag said:

An when you say they know something we don't about them do you think it is possible toxicity information they're holding back because I think if it was toxic they wouldn't be happy enough rub it in all the "stoners" faces.

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They have good cause to be concerned. Although JWH-018 has been shown thusfar to not be carcinogenic, JWH-015 is.. there could be some potential toxicity though, who knows.

It's only a matter of time until that stuff is banned. They just shut down a store by me that sold it because too many tourists were going in there all drunk and acting the fool after they smoked it. I've been seeing mentions of it alot more on the national news too.

It's too bad, that stuff is pretty cool.

I believe that there has only been one substance that was emergency schedualed and remained legal. I don't remember what it was and don't fee like looking it up, but when they take something away, we never get it back.

smoke that spice if you got it!

For anyone not current with the ban:

December 24th:

JWH-018
JWH-073
JWH-200
CP-47497
Cannabicyclohexanol

Will be classified as Schedule 1 substances.

shepj said:

They have good cause to be concerned. Although JWH-018 has been shown thusfar to not be carcinogenic, JWH-015 is.. there could be some potential toxicity though, who knows.

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Would you estimate smoking a gram to be any more harmful than a carton of cigarettes? I mean I know there is no real way to give a solid answer but an educated guess if you will? That's the one good thing that I can say smoking all the JWH did for me, gave me horrible health anxiety which ended up with me researching the harmful effects of Naphthalene and Benzene which in turn lead me to find out all the horrible stuff they put in cigarettes. Now I live a completely cigarette free life style which I am very happy about .

Swag said:

Would you estimate smoking a gram to be any more harmful than a carton of cigarettes?

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That is a rediculous comparison.. a cigarette contains approximately 1 gram of tobacco, a carton contains ~200 grams. Cigarettes have over 500 chemicals and thousands are released when one is burned. You would probably have to smoke a kG of JWH to do the equivalent damage of a carton of cigarettes.

shepj said:

That is a rediculous comparison.. a cigarette contains approximately 1 gram of tobacco, a carton contains ~200 grams. Cigarettes have over 500 chemicals and thousands are released when one is burned.You would probably have to smoke a kG of JWH to do the equivalent damage of a carton of cigarettes.

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I know it was a ridiculous comparison but I know that thousands of people smoke cartons worth of cigarettes every few weeks and theny continue to live fairly long lives. Now I know every persons different, I mostly just wanted to know if I was probably gonna develop pancreatic cancer or something within the next few years. I might I mean who knows? But I just wanted to know how likely my chances of getting cancer are increased from the 10 grams of supposedly 99.7-99.8% pure JWH I smoked. Along with the ounce worth of spice i've smoked. The full CB1 agnostic effect probably just did a number on my GABA receptors and made me a more paranoid person all around about this stuff. I'm not here to bash synthetic cannabinoids here by spewing all this negative stuff about them it's just supposed "information" I've acquired from reading BL posts and other drug forum websites on the possible negative consequences they can have.

EDIT: Yeah re-reading that to myself made me even think I was here to purposely post bad stuff about spice and make people steer clear of it but I honestly am not, if you want to take advantage of these currently legal psychoactive chemicals by all means do so. I'm just trying to ease my paranoia :-l

Swag said:

I know it was a ridiculous comparison but I know that thousands of people smoke cartons worth of cigarettes every few weeks and theny continue to live fairly long lives.

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Understood. Take into consideration that approximately 1 Million people die annually due to tobacco use.. that does not include how many people go to the hospital for tobacco related health issues.

JWH-018 has been shown not to be carcinogenic:

http://www.mindfully.org/JWH/JWH-018/JWH-018-Toxicity-Results.htm






Now I know every persons different, I mostly just wanted to know if I was probably gonna develop pancreatic cancer or something within the next few years. I might I mean who knows? But I just wanted to know how likely my chances of getting cancer are increased from the 10 grams of supposedly 99.7-99.8% pure JWH I smoked. Along with the ounce worth of spice i've smoked. The full CB1 agnostic effect probably just did a number on my GABA receptors and made me a more paranoid person all around about this stuff. I'm not here to bash synthetic cannabinoids here by spewing all this negative stuff about them it's just supposed "information" I've acquired from reading BL posts and other drug forum websites on the possible negative consequences they can have.

EDIT: Yeah re-reading that to myself made me even think I was here to purposely post bad stuff about spice and make people steer clear of it but I honestly am not, if you want to take advantage of these currently legal psychoactive chemicals by all means do so. I'm just trying to ease my paranoia :-l[/QUOTE]

shepj said:

Are you aware how many people die a year from Tobacco products? They need replacement customers for when the current addicts die.. I agree with the DEA on many issues.

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Yes I'm aware but I'm a fan of making your own decisions if your an adult. Personally I think the government is wrong in any prohibition to a reasonable degree. Like okay we shouldn't let people have c4, or grenade launchers, bazookas, or meth, etc.

The ban allows companies to sell out their current stock, but to prohibit manufacture

No but seriously. If I'm an adult and I want strawberry papers I won't be able to get them, because it tastes like 'candy' and kids like 'candy' and therefore it makes kids want to smoke? Well should we ban strawberry margaritas, and all the different flavored spirits? How about Menthol cigarettes? Why didn't they ban those too?

just look at this video, obviously that cigarette isn't flavored but the baby is smoking it nonetheless

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shepj said:

For anyone not current with the ban:

December 24th:

JWH-018
JWH-073
JWH-200
CP-47497
Cannabicyclohexanol

Will be classified as Schedule 1 substances.

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I didn't know 073 was included in the ban also is that one good?? i've only really had 18 as far as i know... what about combinations of those two?

DarthD3vl said:

I didn't know 073 was included in the ban also is that one good?? i've only really had 18 as far as i know... what about combinations of those two?

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JWH-018+JWH-073= Feels good man

Sr. Verde said:

Yes I'm aware but I'm a fan of making your own decisions if your an adult. Personally I think the government is wrong in any prohibition to a reasonable degree. Like okay we shouldn't let people have c4, or grenade launchers, bazookas, or meth, etc.

The ban allows companies to sell out their current stock, but to prohibit manufacture

No but seriously. If I'm an adult and I want strawberry papers I won't be able to get them, because it tastes like 'candy' and kids like 'candy' and therefore it makes kids want to smoke? Well should we ban strawberry margaritas, and all the different flavored spirits? How about Menthol cigarettes? Why didn't they ban those too?

just look at this video, obviously that cigarette isn't flavored but the baby is smoking it nonetheless

[youtube]te6dLVeqa8[/youtube]

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agreed, would you suck a dick cause someone was wearing a strawberry condom? uh oh now people gotta ban flavored condoms to, kids gonna start fucking for the flavors lol

Sr. Verde said:

How about Menthol cigarettes? Why didn't they ban those too?

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Newport/Lorillard just released a "red box" alternative.



In fear of Mrs. Obama...

Sr. Verde said:

Yes I'm aware but I'm a fan of making your own decisions if your an adult. Personally I think the government is wrong in any prohibition to a reasonable degree. Like okay we shouldn't let people have c4, or grenade launchers, bazookas, or meth, etc.

The ban allows companies to sell out their current stock, but to prohibit manufacture

No but seriously. If I'm an adult and I want strawberry papers I won't be able to get them, because it tastes like 'candy' and kids like 'candy' and therefore it makes kids want to smoke? Well should we ban strawberry margaritas, and all the different flavored spirits? How about Menthol cigarettes? Why didn't they ban those too?

just look at this video, obviously that cigarette isn't flavored but the baby is smoking it nonetheless

[youtube]te6dLVeqa8[/youtube]

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I agree completely, fuck you DEA I want my strawberry swishers back. You can still buy candy cigarettes across the street but no SWISHERS!?