Kalkaska's Prosecutor Killed

gladstoned said:

I agree with your thought process, but I strongly disagree with your numbers. Legalization would pass today no problem if everyone voted. They lost this war just like they lost the war on alcohol. They don't have a choice. They lost. They to move on, cuz we are not. If they change the speed limit on I-75 to 65 MPH they are gonna be writing out a lot of fucking tickets. And when 51% of the people are pissed off about the tickets, it should be changed immediately.

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I hope you are right about legalization passing right now .... but in case you're not, I still think it's in our best interests to proceed with caution and follow the law. Public opinion can change in a hurry with one or two slip-ups.

I hope I am right too. lol. But as for public perception, I think everyone is getting pretty fed up with the bullshit. Up here there are a lot of meth labs and child molestors, I don't really like either one of them fuckers. We have how many homeless and/or hungry children, we have terrorists, we are still in a real war!, we need health care, China owns our government. Shame on any one of them fuckers to give two shits about weed!!! I think there is a good amount of citizens in this country that feel we need to all sit down, smoke one and figure this shit out. Another problem with the law is they pass the law, but can't clarify it for people like you and buddy who give a fuck. After a few years, can't they at least explain a few details? The average police officer, and the average patient do not know the boundaries and "gray areas". All "gray areas" should rule in favor of the medical patient/caregiver.

gladstoned said:

When was the period of them not fucking with patients? I must have missed that. There are meth labs in every town. Why is there a problem with a 60-plant professional garden if you give your patients 2 or 3 ounces? Where is the issue, the success rate? the one ounce a month? Im not arguing just don't know

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The intent of the law was to allow people with REAL medical issues to use cannabis as medicine. The problem with "care givers" needing 60 plants to supply 5 people is the vast overage created. Even if you gave everyone 3 oz..that's only 15 oz per cycle. assuming your flowering 15 plants at at time where does the other 2 lbs go? Since everyone seems to think meds are worth $200 plus an oz..that's $6400 worth of "meds" that is turned into cash every 2 months. (and that's at only 3oz per plant, if you are growing 60, I sure hope you have the ability to do better than that) That's a problem, and should be. There has to be accountability for the cash.

There is a huge difference between a true caregiver, and a wanna be weed dealer with a caregiver card. There is also a huge difference between a REAL patient and a pimply faced hood rat with 200 bucks for an exam with DR. Feelgood.

Alcohol IS legal..why don't you start up a still? Couldn't make any money..couldn't sell you're hooch? Wait..that would be ILLEAGAL.

Why would med cannabis be different than any other controlled substance? Can the guys that make oxy have "overages"?

Too many people want to fight "legalize" fight under the medical law. I'm all for legalize..but that hasn't happened yet.

The medical law is being used as a shield for illegal profiteering..it's that simple. If I were an elected official, and watched how the people have abused the law, I'd be tightening down too.

That dosen't mean that I'd be against medical cannabis...but I'd sure be against all the crooks calling themselves "caregivers".

stumpjumper said:

People were abusing the law before it was a law. There is no reason they couldn't just crack down on the abusers without trying to amend it and make it illegal again. Most of their proposed amendments have nothing to do with closing loopholes.

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But when it became a law, a whole new batch of get rich quick schemers jumped on the band wagon..and flaunted their actions. Before the med law, how many grower busts in Michigan did you hear about? Not many. And it's not because there are "so many new growers", it's because the guys doing it before the med law, knew how to stay invisible. They still do.

The only way they can get the abusers is to tighten down on everyone and re define the law. More or less, that is what I see.

Do whatever you want...but even if they were to legalize, take a tip from the guys doing it before the med law...stay invisable.

As I've said many times on these boards before..

"If we don't police our own, they will"..


So it kind of piss's me off when I hear the problem complaining about the solution that is only needed because the problem exists.

Why cant you have, say 48 plants and a perpetual grow? Who said you have to flower 15 plants at the exact same time. Why not flower one wait a week or two put one more in and keep doing that? this way you have a constant harvest and there are no overages.Think about it two ounces a week split that up with all your patients and yourself if your a patient. That just barely keeps a constant supply for everyone for the week. you guys keep flying off the handle and thinking everyone is sitting on pounds of weed. Why don't you guys focus on what your doing and leave everyone the fuck alone. ​

Buddy Ganga said:

As I've said many times on these boards before..

"If we don't police our own, they will"..


So it kind of piss's me off when I hear the problem complaining about the solution that is only needed because the problem exists.

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Oh ya that's what we need is buddy ganga as sheriff. I think we all have enough opinionated egotistical xxxxxx around

ismokealotofpot said:

Oh ya that's what we need is buddy ganga as sheriff. I think we all have enough opinionated egotistical xxxxxx around

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Wow, it's rare to see someone make a point and then prove it in just two sentences. Good job!

Here is my take. IF I have five patients and I take care of them and they are happy and I make enough to pay my mortgage, what is your problem? If I open a furniture store and sell a couch for double, I am a decent upstanding citizen. Bullshit. If any of you read a newspaper or watch the news there are many people out there that fuck people over for a living, and I believe courts are some of the worst ones. When on earth does making a living taking care of sick people and making people happy make you a piece of shit? If I sell an old person insurance that they don't need that is cool, but provide meds cheap and I must be stopped!? You guys kill me!!
If a caregiver gets patients and then grows bad weed, but gives it away - should he/she be locked up? That is certainly worse than providing good meds. How many growers do you guys think should fill our jails? The only way someone should go to jail for marijuana is if they steal it. Any crime that doesn't have a victim is a waste of tax payer money.

gladstoned said:

Here is my take. IF I have five patients and I take care of them and they are happy and I make enough to pay my mortgage, what is your problem? If I open a furniture store and sell a couch for double, I am a decent upstanding citizen. Bullshit. If any of you read a newspaper or watch the news there are many people out there that fuck people over for a living, and I believe courts are some of the worst ones. When on earth does making a living taking care of sick people and making people happy make you a piece of shit? If I sell an old person insurance that they don't need that is cool, but provide meds cheap and I must be stopped!? You guys kill me!!
If a caregiver gets patients and then grows bad weed, but gives it away - should he/she be locked up? That is certainly worse than providing good meds. How many growers do you guys think should fill our jails? The only way someone should go to jail for marijuana is if they steal it. Any crime that doesn't have a victim is a waste of tax payer money.

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If you open a furniture store, you have a legitimate business. You're doing books and paying taxes. Are you doing books and paying taxes on your grow?

bob harris said:

If you open a furniture store, you have a legitimate business. You're doing books and paying taxes. Are you doing books and paying taxes on your grow?

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Who cares? Uncle Sam....

Glad, there's no sense in arguing about it, I agree with you wholeheartedly and I think most people here do too.

You see, I think the problem most people have here isn't because the actions of a few "profiteers" are making the rest look bad. If you really pay attention to what's been said in here over time, you'll realize most of these people are really upset because the profiteers that got caught are ruining their little side profiteering operation by causing legislation to get passed. It's truly hypocritical. It's hilarious, he who talks down profiteers who already admitted to profiteering himself.

And the other few, well, a wise man of my people once said,

"beware the wolf, for doesn't he smile before he is about to bite you".

Check this out...

Making a profit off of growing is illegal.
There is no argument, justification or comparison that will change that FACT.

Let me try to explain this in a way you might understand.

When I get a speeding ticket or in an accident, I and I alone deal with the consequences.
They do not raise your insurance or restrict your privileges due to my "refusal" to follow the law.
With MMJ everyone pays for the mistakes of a few..
Right now they are using every bad example they have to define us all.
We all get restricted, not just the people that are doing wrong.

Screw the card and just do what ever you want, that way everyone else doesn't have to deal with the consequences of your actions. Kind of legal or mostly legal is like being kind of pregnant. You either are or you're not.

Buddy Ganga said:

Check this out...

Making a profit off of growing is illegal.
There is no argument, justification or comparison that will change that FACT.

Let me try to explain this in a way you might understand.

When I get a speeding ticket or in an accident, I and I alone deal with the consequences.
They do not raise your insurance or restrict your privileges due to my "refusal" to follow the law.
With MMJ everyone pays for the mistakes of a few..
Right now they are using every bad example they have to define us all.
We all get restricted, not just the people that are doing wrong.

Screw the card and just do what ever you want, that way everyone else doesn't have to deal with the consequences of your actions. Kind of legal or mostly legal is like being kind of pregnant. You either are or you're not.

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I agree with both sides, but who gets to define what is profit and what is reasonable compensation for ones costs and effort.

For instance the MMMA has a farmers market every week in Jackson and they are starting a delivery service. IMO, every single caregiver there is probably making a profit... Nobody has shut them down. What happened to policing our own? Patients are buying from caregivers there that are not their designated caregiver.

It all boils down to how people perceive our actions, joe blow patient gets caught with 5oz over his limit and all of a sudden he's labeled as a dealing profiteer, or the same joe blow sells an oz to his best friend, he's a profiteer, but who's really the profiteers? I'll tell you, 99% of the caregivers. Unless you're giving your shit away free then you're making a profit. I've yet to see a caregiver offer his patients more an a free oz a month and I don't care who they are, the rest of them oz's are going for $250+ a pop.

This argument will go back and forth and back and forth... it should really just avoided. Everyone should be fighting to legalize the shit then we wouldn't have this problem.

I have every intention on sitting down with an attorney when I do make a profit cuz I am going too. Then am I oK?
Marijuana has been around longer than any of us. It is becoming legal cuz they don't have a choice. Saying that if we all behave, we will get seconds on our desert makes me giggle. If you go and grow 500 plants, that is not going to have any bearing on me.
So what about the caregiver that signs up patients and after three months lost his harvest. PEOPLE SUFFER THEN! Should we be rid of this scum? Do you want this guy in jail and off the streets? What about the guy that gives his patients meds that suck? Are we gonna build jails for these people? The state gets their money, but the patients suffer. Are we going to lock these people up or do you just want the caregivers and patients that have big harvests off their 12, or 60 plants?
I am not trying to argue or be an ass, I am honestly trying to wrap my head around the logic of this. I just want to understand.

Damn Stump, that's got to be about the best and applicable reply I've ever heard.
Finally someone found a way to discuss the issue talking about the issue itself with common sense.
It gets so tiring reading all of the examples people try and use when they are no where near the same or lack any real level of common sense.

I'm in a rush right now but when I get the chance I'll gladly reply to your questions..

Honestly, I think you guys are lying and protecting your profits, by saying there are none. I fucking understand right and wrong. Harassing the sick with political bullshit is wrong. Our government created this mess, not me and not you. Everyone bitching about $250 ounces, but they are selling ounces for $250 and loving it. Legalize it all these rockstar's will only be getting $150. That is where the fear lies for most!! The issue is common sense all right. If some jackass grows 200 pounds in Michigan and charges $600 an ounce who in the fuck is he going to sell it to? My God, I must be the crazy one because this shit is way over my head.

stumpjumper said:

Who cares? Uncle Sam....

Glad, there's no sense in arguing about it, I agree with you wholeheartedly and I think most people here do too.

You see, I think the problem most people have here isn't because the actions of a few "profiteers" are making the rest look bad. If you really pay attention to what's been said in here over time, you'll realize most of these people are really upset because the profiteers that got caught are ruining their little side profiteering operation by causing legislation to get passed. It's truly hypocritical. It's hilarious, he who talks down profiteers who already admitted to profiteering himself.

And the other few, well, a wise man of my people once said,

"beware the wolf, for doesn't he smile before he is about to bite you".

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I read this and I was like, nah. You are right, though. LMAO you are exactly right! I'm sitting here like this , and it is the only thing that makes sense.
People sound like my second grade teacher is in charge of Michigan. OK, three people got in trouble, you know the rules. Nobody can use medical marijuana until 2013 now, and then we will try it again until you all can get it right. lmao. If it was that simple, don't you think it would have stayed illegal!? Too funny. Any more shooting in Detroit and us Yoopers won't be able to hunt anymore.?. If what you guys say is true then there are going to be a lot of jobs created in Michigan, building jails and operating them. lol.
OK then, riddle me this batman. The governor reads this post and makes pot illegal all because of me. How many people will cus me out, yell it isn't fair and throw all their plants out and sell your equipment? They make it illegal I will leave state in a Uhaul with my middle finger waving. I refuse to be strung out on pills, my girlfriend in down to 104 pounds, my father wakes up in the middle of the night screaming from PTSD and having muscle pains from a leg that isn't there. The last thing I am worried about is how much profit a guy down the road is making. I respect people that work for their money, I hate a thief. If you take a disabled person on welfare that can't hold a job and teach them to be a good caregiver, that is a good thing. There are bad people that exploit everything and anything, pot isn't going to be different.

Glad, I'm no lying about anything and I am just trying to use examples. I personally don't care what you are doing or what anyone else does. Grow 1000 plants if ya'll want just please don't get caught cause it's your ass if you do. As far as people getting caught abusing the law being the reason they are trying to amend it, well I disagree with that for the most part. I think they would be fighting it regardless.

I think the shit should be legalized and let them try to regulate it. Free hemp and create jobs, fuel fabric, rope... you know the spiel..

It's too bad there were so many loopholes in the law, it should've read "any patient can grow, posess and sell to any other patient"... simple as that. It would save all this bullshit arguing between patients and caregivers.

I don't think you are lying. You see what I am saying. I have a record, I do not grow more than what is legal. Four weeks ago my grow was toured, I am legit. My outlaw days have long been over. I think there is legal money to be made and illegal money to be made. I would like to know how to make the legal money. Honestly to be in it for the money one would go to a state that isn't legal and go to town. Look up how much time you get for 200 plants, it isn't much. That isn't me though. The medical side beats the drug said any day. I saw from your post many are bsing about what they make and I agree I am done.

stumpjumper said:

Glad, I'm no lying about anything and I am just trying to use examples. I personally don't care what you are doing or what anyone else does. Grow 1000 plants if ya'll want just please don't get caught cause it's your ass if you do. As far as people getting caught abusing the law being the reason they are trying to amend it, well I disagree with that for the most part. I think they would be fighting it regardless.

I think the shit should be legalized and let them try to regulate it. Free hemp and create jobs, fuel fabric, rope... you know the spiel..

It's too bad there were so many loopholes in the law, it should've read "any patient can grow, posess and sell to any other patient"... simple as that. It would save all this bullshit arguing between patients and caregivers.

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I agree with you stump. This attorney general would be coming after medical marijuana even if all of us followed the law to a T. He has ulterior motives that are far more evil than a caregiver selling a couple ounces of pot. What you're not recognizing is that we are giving him ammunition to fight his battle every time one of us gets caught not abiding the law. Bill Schutte himself can't overturn this law. He recognizes that he needs people to make examples out of in an effort to convince the voting public that we are all drug dealers looking to exploit a law.

The people of Michigan will decide our fate at the ballot box .... and I would hope that public perception is on our side when that day comes.

As for the rest of your points, I agree with you wholeheartedly.