Kerfuffle in Afghanistan

medicineman

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New Report Reveals US Funds the Taliban


Investigative journalist Aram Roston talks about his recent Nation cover story, How the US Funds the Taliban, which outlines how the US government finances the very same forces that the military is trying to fight in Afghanistan. In order to maintain bases in Afghanistan, the US government employs Afgan drivers to move ammunition and supplies. Because the convoys have to drive through extremely dangerous terrain, American security companies reach agreements with the Taliban warlords in the area for protection. As Roston exposes, a minimum of ten percent of the pentagon's contract consists of payments to the group, providing even more evidence that troop escalation is a terrible idea.
--Alana Levinson
 
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I'm to the point where I don't care whether more troops are a good idea or not, and I don't care whether they increase them or not. I just want to see Obama make a decision like this. It's a lose lose and I want to see him take the hit.

Go ahead - pull them all out and when Afghanistan falls into chaos, then what?

Instead what the sniveling little chicken shit will do is announce some Nixon-Vietnam sleight of hand where he says we'll add a few troops but they will be there to train and move toward a "turnover" to Afghanistan. The Afghanization of the war, LOL. Mark my words, this is what he will do.
 
Wavels

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The community organizer is a very skilled ditherer...

Mr. Smile is correct...

Disgraceful, IMHO
 
medicineman

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Wavels said:
The community organizer is a very skilled ditherer...

Mr. Smile is correct...

Disgraceful, IMHO
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Geeze wavels, did you even watch the video? Try and look at the big picture. In case you don't realize, this is Mr. Bushs' war and has been for 8 stinking years. Of course If it were left up to me, I'd pull out in a heart beat and leave the afghanies to themselves. I'm definently at odds with Obamas' war policies, but hey, nobody's perfect. Bush processed the war for 7.5 years with no real objections from you conservatives, I guess this is day from night, eh?
 
londonfog

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Decision has already been made..just kept under wire ...because we live in a land where the media tells everything some decision are kept close to the vest...can't let everyone know what you doing while final preparation are being made..now shhhhhhhh
 
Wavels

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medicineman said:
Geeze wavels, did you even watch the video? Try and look at the big picture. In case you don't realize, this is Mr. Bushs' war and has been for 8 stinking years. Of course If it were left up to me, I'd pull out in a heart beat and leave the afghanies to themselves. I'm definently at odds with Obamas' war policies, but hey, nobody's perfect. Bush processed the war for 7.5 years with no real objections from you conservatives, I guess this is day from night, eh?
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Well med it was Obama who said that Afghanistan was the necessary war.
(Emphasis on necessary)
This is no way to fight a war of necessity.

It should either be balls to the wall and we dismember the Taliban or we should simply leave and allow the country to revert to the 3rd century with the imposition of Shariah.
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doc111

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I'm so sick of this crap. We were attacked on Sept 11, 2001 by a ragtag group of islamic extemists who received training in camps which happened to be in Afghanistan. Until Oct of that same year the leader of said ragtag group was based in that same country being given respite and comfort by the governing body, the Taliban. The lines have become blurred between the Taliban and Al Qaeda because some see them as ideologically the same organization. The original intent, as I understand it, was to topple the government in Afghanistan which was in cahoots with the Al Qaeda so that they wouldn't have the ability to train and regroup. We succeeded in doing both with the blowback being that Pakistan has become the new haven for both. If we leave Afghanistan now we might as well hand the keys over to the Taliban and Al Qaeda. Why is it that this is "Bush's war"? And Obama seems to get a pass. This is so typical of you lefties. This is "Our war". As long as we are threatened by these entities we have vested interest in what happens in Afghanistan. Unless, of course, you would like to see the U.S. become more like, shall we say, Israel. I don't like the wars anymore than anybody else but what's the solution? If you have that answer I guess you must be smarter than anyone in the Obama administration because they don't have a clue what the hell they are doing. :dunce:
 
Wavels

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^^
Good points doc.
It really is time to butch-up.
Indecision and weakness do not win wars.
 
doc111

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Wavels said:
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Good points doc.
It really is time to butch-up.
Indecision and weakness do not win wars.
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In for a penny, in for a pound. It may seem cold to some but I agree. Let's do what we set out to do and get this war on track. That was one of Obama's campaign promises and now he doesn't seem to remember what the hell he promised the American people. I for one won't forget what happened that day and if it takes the rest of my lifetime and then some to get this done I think we need to follow through and finish it. By dragging it out we are not helping anyone. Decisive action is what's required here. Shit or get off the pot. (Sorry for all the cliches).
 
medicineman

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So, did any of you conservatives actually watch the video, or are you just spouting the same tired conservative mantra. The point being, we are actually financing both sides of the war. Seems like the war contractors are in charge. When a country goes to war and then pays the other side to truck their war materials, so they can use the money to buy guns and ammo, while the entire puppet government is corrupt or related or both, doesn't it seem like it is time to get the fuck out?
 
doc111

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medicineman said:
So, did any of you conservatives actually watch the video, or are you just spouting the same tired conservative mantra. The point being, we are actually financing both sides of the war. Seems like the war contractors are in charge. When a country goes to war and then pays the other side to truck their war materials, so they can use the money to buy guns and ammo, while the entire puppet government is corrupt or related or both, doesn't it seem like it is time to get the fuck out?
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Compromises are always made in any war. Are they always sound decisions? NO! We bought off religous leaders in Iraq as well. I do have a problem with the use of so many private contractors because it seems to be more about profiteering and politicians helping their buddies out with lucrative contracts instead of the real reason we are there in the first place. Leave war in the hands of our soldiers, sailors, marines, and airmen. Not in the hands of the mercenaries.
 
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medicineman said:
So, did any of you conservatives actually watch the video, or are you just spouting the same tired conservative mantra. The point being, we are actually financing both sides of the war. Seems like the war contractors are in charge. When a country goes to war and then pays the other side to truck their war materials, so they can use the money to buy guns and ammo, while the entire puppet government is corrupt or related or both, doesn't it seem like it is time to get the fuck out?
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This is such bullshit. The fact that there are some tribal honchos willing to sell out some other tribal honchos and provide services to our guys that they need for a little money - that's a good thing! That's the way things go when you are winning. The potentially solid opposition begins to fragment and turn on itself. I know that's not the intended spin of this, but think about it. Anytime our guys are getting what they need for a few bucks it's a good deal!
 
medicineman

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I mean, let's face it folks, so we leave and the taliban comes back. Big fucking deal. Better to leave them there than to stay there, lose much more blood and treasure, and inspire thousands more to come to Afghanistan to Kill the "evil" Americans, right? Let's face it, It is a losing cause. History has, or should have taught us that. Get out now before one more young boy or girl loses their life. I'm thinking the whole think is predicated on the pipeline Union Oil wants to build through the country, anyone want to dispute that?
 
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Illegal Smile said:
This is such bullshit. The fact that there are some tribal honchos willing to sell out some other tribal honchos and provide services to our guys that they need for a little money - that's a good thing! That's the way things go when you are winning. The potentially solid opposition begins to fragment and turn on itself. I know that's not the intended spin of this, but think about it. Anytime our guys are getting what they need for a few bucks it's a good deal!
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Were you calling my interpretation bullshit, or the actuality of it bullshit? I'd say I agree with you if you think the whole war scam is bullshit, But I'm assuming you were calling my take on it bullshit, in which case of course I'd disagree. I think you are in favor of funding both sides of an unnecessary war, in which case makes you either a war profiteer or an idiot, you choose.
 
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medicineman said:
Were you calling my interpretation bullshit, or the actuality of it bullshit? I'd say I agree with you if you think the whole war scam is bullshit, But I'm assuming you were calling my take on it bullshit, in which case of course I'd disagree. I think you are in favor of funding both sides of an unnecessary war, in which case makes you either a war profiteer or an idiot, you choose.
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I understand you want to surrender, and isn't that what Obama promised to do? Isn't it awfully frustrating for you to see that he is not going to be the president who lost Afghanistan? He lied to you. He had no intention of letting Afghanistan fall. He may do as little as he can but if he were going to let it go he would have been stupid not to do it before now.
 
medicineman

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Illegal Smile said:
I understand you want to surrender, and isn't that what Obama promised to do? Isn't it awfully frustrating for you to see that he is not going to be the president who lost Afghanistan? He lied to you. He had no intention of letting Afghanistan fall. He may do as little as he can but if he were going to let it go he would have been stupid not to do it before now.
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Surrender, Yeah that's it surrender. You right wing psychos have no credibility with war conversation. Getting out would be the smartest thing to do, especially since we really have no business being there, well there is that Unocal pipeline thingy, another corporate grab. (ask me how I know) The reason we went there, "the governments reason", was to kill or capture OBL, He is either dead or living in some village in Packistan. To waste more blood and treasure is fruitless. you cannot make 21st century "freedom" in an 18th century peoples. Most don't have electricity or running water. They shit in a hole in the ground and wipe their asses with their left hand. no paper. Freedom, they don't even have that word in their language. Get fucking real. Believe me, I'm no fan of Obamas war plans.
 
doc111

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Illegal Smile said:
I understand you want to surrender, and isn't that what Obama promised to do? Isn't it awfully frustrating for you to see that he is not going to be the president who lost Afghanistan? He lied to you. He had no intention of letting Afghanistan fall. He may do as little as he can but if he were going to let it go he would have been stupid not to do it before now.
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Obama promised to ramp up the war in Afghanistan when he was campaigning. He promised to get out of Iraq. He seems to be making good on the second promise but he can't seem to figure out what the hell he wants to do with Afghanistan. I guess they'll do a poll and try to figure out which move will make him more popular.....that's the move I expect he'll make.
 
Rob Roy

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There is no such thing as "saving face" in a war. Although people's faces do get blown off in wars.
This war is about the United States exerting control over other people, money and a waste of human lives.

Not that it matters but does anybody recall the nationality of the 9/11 "terrorists" ? I don't believe ANY were Afghani.

If an occupying power were here in this country, wouldn't some of YOU resist? The Afghani's are not going to give up,
they have nothing to lose...ask the Russians.

How would people in the USA feel if a group of Canadians, Brits and Scots trained in the USA bombed a building in China and the Chinese came here to destroy the "training camps"? How is that any different than what is happening in Afghanistan?
 
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