Kratom, anyone use it?

Description
Mitragyna speciosa, kratom trees, usually grow to a height of 12–30 ft (3.7–9.1 m) tall and 15 ft (4.6 m) wide, although under the right conditions, certain species can reach up to 40–100 ft (12–30 m) in height. The stem is erect and branching. The leaves of the kratom tree are a dark green colour and can grow to over 7 inches (180 mm) long and 4 inches (100 mm) wide., ovate-acuminate in shape, and opposite in growth pattern.


Alkaloids
Kratom also reportedly contains at least one alkaloid (rhynchophylline) that is a calcium channel blocker, and reduces NMDA-induced current.[SUP][3][/SUP][SUP][4][/SUP] There is considerable research as to the role of NMDA receptor activity in the formation of dependence, and the symptoms of withdrawal. In 2005, Inturrisi demonstrated that co-administration of d-methadone (the isomer that lacks opioid activity, but is an NMDA antagonist) in small doses with morphine prevented the development of morphine tolerance in rats.[SUP][5][/SUP] The presence of rhynchophylline in kratom should be investigated in order to determine its potential to modify the development of dependence.
The presence of kratom's alkaloids can be detected in urine by immunological screenings.[SUP][6][/SUP]
As of 2011, 40 compounds had been discovered in kratom leaves.[SUP][7][/SUP]

Medicinal uses
Kratom has seen therapeutic use in Thai ethnomedicine as an antidiarrhoeal, as a treatment for opioid dependence, and rarely to increase the duration of coitus.[SUP][8][/SUP][SUP][9][/SUP][SUP][10][/SUP] It is also a substance of interest in the treatment of diabetes mellitus.[SUP][11][/SUP] A general consensus exists in Thailand among leaders, public health officials, academics and policymakers that kratom use and dependence causes little, if any, health risks.[SUP][12][/SUP] Many chronic pain patients report that kratom has greatly improved the quality of their lives.[SUP][13][/SUP]

Hey RIU I completely forgot about this stuff and then found it again in a head shop lol so im wondering you guys dont advise the concentrate, for a first time correct? Just buy the dry leaf package? Any problems with these shops Kratom (like not really Kratom, or some knock off BS?)

ive tried the green powdery extract before, not bad, but it doesnt give you a euphoric "high" or anything like that

smokajoe said:

Hey RIU I completely forgot about this stuff and then found it again in a head shop lol so im wondering you guys dont advise the concentrate, for a first time correct? Just buy the dry leaf package? Any problems with these shops Kratom (like not really Kratom, or some knock off BS?)

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a friend of mine picked up i believe it was a 9 gram small concentrate bottle of kratom? haha yeah exact bottle and everything right here

i didn't know it was a concentrate nor have much knowledge on kratom in general anyways at the time. first time of-course, and it FUCKED ME UP. he told me not to drink too much of it and since it was such a small bottle i thought he was kidding lol...should have learned my lesson about legal highs with spice years back i suppose lol.

i could hardly move and like 20 minutes or so after i drank it we ended up in a car..had to make him pull over and all i did was open the door and cling to the car as i made my way 5 feet forward, where i collapsed and chilled for about 5 minutes. don't remember much after that.

so yeah, depending on your intentions, a 9g concentrate could be great for your first time.

I drank the whole 9 gram concentrate and it wasent too much of anything just a nice buzz. And no i dont use opietes often

atidd11 said:

I drank the whole 9 gram concentrate and it wasent too much of anything just a nice buzz. And no i dont use opietes often

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at the time i was smoking blues close to every day and it still fucked me up like that..

smokajoe said:

Hey RIU I completely forgot about this stuff and then found it again in a head shop lol so im wondering you guys dont advise the concentrate, for a first time correct? Just buy the dry leaf package? Any problems with these shops Kratom (like not really Kratom, or some knock off BS?)

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Anybody that knows anything about kratom will say stay away from the headshop stuff. It's bullshit. It's hard to find good quality, and it takes even longer to find what you like. Kratom is very complex, and it differs a lot. It took me several months to find what I like, and to get a good consistent buzz from it.

I've had over a 1 gram per day oxy habit, and I can get a buzz from kratom. So, almost anybody can.

Skuxx said:

Anybody that knows anything about kratom will say stay away from the headshop stuff. It's bullshit. It's hard to find good quality, and it takes even longer to find what you like. Kratom is very complex, and it differs a lot. It took me several months to find what I like, and to get a good consistent buzz from it.

I've had over a 1 gram per day oxy habit, and I can get a buzz from kratom. So, almost anybody can.

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is opiate tolerance even relevant to kratom?

Yes it is.

Skuxx said:

Yes it is.

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well it didn't much matter for me i suppose.

Tried a 260x master blend from local shop, and to my surprise was very impressed. They were sold in half gram capsules, 2 of them kept me in a warm euphoric buzz for around 5 hours or so. Would definitely recommend.

kratom is the best... i highly recommend not buying it from head shops due to quality issues and also the fact that they market it like it's a "legal high" (while technically it is, but i find their marketing/packaging for it disrespectful).

http://www.moodandmind.com/search.php?search_query=kratom&x=0&y=0 is where i get my kratom... potent, clean kratom and the real deal.

i don't really get euphoria but a definite positive mood-lift and an awesome surge of warm energy... i make a tea out of it with a few grams every morning.

bali & maeng da are my favorite strains... especially maeng da.

zhn0k said:

kratom is the best... i highly recommend not buying it from head shops due to quality issues and also the fact that they market it like it's a "legal high" (while technically it is, but i find their marketing/packaging for it disrespectful).

http://www.moodandmind.com/search.php?search_query=kratom&x=0&y=0 is where i get my kratom... potent, clean kratom and the real deal.

i don't really get euphoria but a definite positive mood-lift and an awesome surge of warm energy... i make a tea out of it with a few grams every morning.

bali & maeng da are my favorite strans... especially maeng da.

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do you find that your tolerance to kratom builds quickly as a daily user?

zhn0k said:

bali & maeng da are my favorite strains... especially maeng da.

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Bali and maeng da are about as opposite as you can get as far as kratom goes. So, you should pretty much like any kratom if you like both of those. after daily burning for over a year, I can hardly deal with maeng da anymore because it doens't have enough 7-ohm and too much mitragynine which seems to make me jittery. If you especially like maeng da, then you like green vein strains more... and those are less like opiates IMO. the red vein strains that are high in 7-ohm seem to resemble opiates far more, which seems to be why I am drawn to them more. I love me a good red vein borneo... or red vein thai..... Or red indo... I have never heard of that site though, and I'll check it out.

It doesn't taste THAT bad, fuck, must vegetables are much worse.
Kinda tastes like sucking on a teabag. Effects are dose dependant and vary from a mild sedation and squinty eyes similar to mild weed (I also get the sensation of a warmish breeze over my skin then) , to a very clearheaded, social, talkative state. Either state is quite pleasant but not excessive and comes with great pain relief.
The chaveat is that if you take too much or combijne with alcohol you will get motionsick for an hour or two and that is very unpleasant. As long as you don't move, you can get through it, but standing up and doing shit makes you dizzy, your stomach hurts and you feel like pukeing. All you can do then is sit still and drink some water till it pases.

Don't do it too often unless you like constipation.

Holy shit, long time coming but finally tried Kratom! Did about 4.5 grams and it is providing a nice numbing feeling, euphoric too-Nothing overwhelming but enjoyable-with a bowl of kush! Says its meeng da.

I love kratom I have ben useing it daily for years since i used it to kick suboxone

Everyone seems to badmouth the headshop stuff , I have never had bad stuff from their, but overpriced yes. I think head shops are likely a good place to try it for the first time.

2 international supplyers seem to supply 3/4 of the market Bikhuk and kratom delight , bolth have top notch product at a great price, but may come as course ground powder that many complain about - simple fix

So meeng da is more sedating than other veins?

smokajoe said:

So meeng da is more sedating than other veins?

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Generly meand da is more of a stimuliting , but that can be different for everyone , even at different times some people will have different things to say about the same strain , sometimes certain strains are known to not work that person , then months-years later that strain will work fine . Kratom can be very fickle , varity packs offered by some vendors are great for the new users

By the way maeng da is realy all marketing

LIBERTYCHICKEN said:

Generly meand da is more of a stimuliting , but that can be different for everyone , even at different times some people will have different things to say about the same strain , sometimes certain strains are known to not work that person , then months-years later that strain will work fine . Kratom can be very fickle , varity packs offered by some vendors are great for the new users

By the way maeng da is realy all marketing

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ah, thats what I was assuming-marketing! But ya definitely good to do once in a while!