Larry OG vs. Tahoe OG in Dual Monster Plant System (2nd Scrog)

Including my fuckups. The roots are actually looking much better.

Larry. All of last week's buildup freshly flushed out.


Tahoe.
You know it was bad when the stuff underwater went brown. It's fully recovered now and getting cleaner looking by the day. I'm now a firm believer in the sterile route. Organics and enzymes are nasty.

Oh man, you should have seen the sludge that I caught in the fishnet after the Final Phase flush. It was disturbingly huge. I was in such a hurry to finish, I didn't think to photograph it. Shit. Final Phase really works. To think that I was missing all that before by just flushing with water. I'll be happy when it's completely grown over with healthy white root matter.

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Here's Tahoe's better side. I think this may have something to do with why she's been growing like she has. I'm not 100% sure, of course, but I'm close to guaranteeing no PM. After so many grows, you can just tell by the smell of the res. I smell nothing but roots. No sweet nutrient, and absolutely no "aquarium" algae smell. If your res smells like an aquarium, it's algae. It's my opinion that a bio-mechanical system is like a set of dominoes just waiting for the conditions to make them fall. If you get micro-organisms in your root system, this not only results in unhealthy roots, it leads to biological side effects like mold and mildew... or promotes them in plant strains that are already infected or predisposed to it.

Now this is just a theory of mine, but I'm betting my continued, regular h202 treatments will result in a much cleaner bio-mechanical system overall. Maybe I'll be able leave the serenade bottle alone entirely.

Seems we also like the same music, I had a serious crush on Mazzy Starr for a long time. LOL Heres' some crappy pics of photos i took in Buffalo. SRV was great.

solanero said:

View attachment 2068061Seems we also like the same music, I had a serious crush on Mazzy Starr for a long time. LOL Heres' some crappy pics of photos i took in Buffalo. SRV was great.

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Great pix. The fact that they're grungy old photos just adds character. Thanks for sharing.

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This is a timeless treasure and probably a collector's item now. You should put them under glass, bro.

lordjin said:

Including my fuckups. The roots are actually looking much better.

Larry. All of last week's buildup freshly flushed out.


Tahoe.
You know it was bad when the stuff underwater went brown. It's fully recovered now and getting cleaner looking by the day. I'm now a firm believer in the sterile route. Organics and enzymes are nasty.

Oh man, you should have seen the sludge that I caught in the fishnet after the Final Phase flush. It was disturbingly huge. I was in such a hurry to finish, I didn't think to photograph it. Shit. Final Phase really works. To think that I was missing all that before by just flushing with water. I'll be happy when it's completely grown over with healthy white root matter.

Edit:

Here's Tahoe's better side. I think this may have something to do with why she's been growing like she has. I'm not 100% sure, of course, but I'm close to guaranteeing no PM. After so many grows, you can just tell by the smell of the res. I smell nothing but roots. No sweet nutrient, and absolutely no "aquarium" algae smell. If your res smells like an aquarium, it's algae. It's my opinion that a bio-mechanical system is like a set of dominoes just waiting for the conditions to make them fall. If you get micro-organisms in your root system, this not only results in unhealthy roots, it leads to biological side effects like mold and mildew... or promotes them in plant strains that are already infected or predisposed to it.

Now this is just a theory of mine, but I'm betting my continued, regular h202 treatments will result in a much cleaner overall bio-mechanical system. Maybe I'll be able leave the serenade bottle alone entirely.

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Hey Jin, how much H2o2 do you use per gallon? Just mix in with the nutrients and leave it in there right? I have a res with that damn aquarium smell & it's a real bitch to take apart all the pumps, clean their filters, & everything each week at res change time and wipe out the whole res etc......

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Hey Jin, how much H2o2 do you use per gallon? Just mix in with the nutrients and leave it in there right? I have a res with that damn aquarium smell & it's a real bitch to take apart all the pumps, clean their filters, & everything each week at res change time and wipe out the whole res etc......

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Yes! If you smell that, run a touch of h202.

For quick flushes and sterilizing things, the 3% h202 from the drug store is fine. But if you're gonna actually run it in your feed res, get the horticultural grade (food grade) at 29% or 30%. This stuff is dangerous. Keep it away from your skin. I dilute 3ml-4ml of the 29% in a gallon of clean water. I then inject my 10 gallon res with 30ml of this diluted h202 after a water change. I then continue to inject 20ml every other day. Try it. You'll notice an improvement right away.


Don't even think about injecting it into your res directly!

I couldn't think of anything other than re-posting my silly system cartoon.

Just imagine the sprayers lower in the tub than in the drawing. I was super high and doodled this freehand in a few minutes.

Not sure what I am supposed to be imagining, but I love the doodle!!!! Cool wabbit!!!

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Something pwetty.

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Not sure what I am supposed to be imagining, but I love the doodle!!!! Cool wabbit!!!

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Something pwetty.

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I just finished watching that video. I'm keeping a close eye on you from now on...

Nice bud, btw. What do you call that?

Hi LJ - How are you this gray day? I got a new pump and I am going to build my pvc sprinkler system. I hava couple Jin questions. How far below the lid do you have the sprinklers? Do you have any extra holes in the pvc so the pressure is not too high?

I have been learning the hard way about ppm and ph control. Protek really raises the ph quite a bit! But now I know I can use it to fix a low ph. I got a timer for my pump and a couple more air stones. Thanks for the amounts for H2O2. My poor seedling has taken the brunt of my incompetence but she is recovering like a weed.
Thanks for your great journal!
Cheers,
Mo

Mohican said:

Hi LJ - How are you this gray day? I got a new pump and I am going to build my pvc sprinkler system. I hava couple Jin questions. How far below the lid do you have the sprinklers? Do you have any extra holes in the pvc so the pressure is not too high?

I have been learning the hard way about ppm and ph control. Protek really raises the ph quite a bit! But now I know I can use it to fix a low ph. I got a timer for my pump and a couple more air stones. Thanks for the amounts for H2O2. My poor seedling has taken the brunt of my incompetence but she is recovering like a weed.
Thanks for your great journal!
Cheers,
Mo

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I'm doing fine today. Just getting high and yanking my wanker as usual!

Yeah, run the h202 like I described. But if it's still a tiny baby, give it 1ml per gallon of the diluted 29% to start. Be gentle.

Just the opposite, I cut down on my original eight sprayer head configuration to four heads... and that was to INCREASE pressure, which was the desired effect.

I'll take a measurement on the sprayer height when the lights come on.

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I'm not familiar with Protek, so I can't advise you directly with regard to ph behaviors, but a sterile res should help stabilize things. My ph has been hella more stable since I went sterile.

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I can't say enough about a sterile root environment. The topic of PM has really focused my attention there. Hell if I'm just gonna start fighting it when it's already on the leaves... I'm gonna try to stop it at the source.

I think the equivalent with soil growers would be starting with sterilized soil and applying h202 in the appropriate manner as soil growing dictates. I read somewhere from an experienced soil grower that he uses sterilized soil that he sterilizes himself. I forget the process, but he stressed the importance of sterile soil big time.

Funny how something you read years ago comes back to you...

I know I let my roots go to shit, but I'm pretty sure I fixed it just in time. Flowering is when you gotta start watching out for that white fuzz on the leaves. I got the roots clean without a moment to spare.

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In bio class back in the 80's we were growing in a clear jello medium! We were cutting off different parts of the plant and getting them to root by using hormones. I remember watching a documentary about some guys in Berkeley that were cutting off the tops of MJ plants and dipping them in powder and growing clones of the original plant. They had it all set up on an assembly line. I wonder what cut that was?

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That's exactly the cloning process for cannabis. Who says bio class back in the 80's was useless?

In bio class back in the 80's we were growing in a clear jello medium! We were cutting off different parts of the plant and getting them to root by using hormones. I remember watching a documentary about some guys in Berkeley that were cutting off the tops of MJ plants and dipping them in powder and growing clones of the original plant. They had it all set up on an assembly line. I wonder what cut that was?

Edit 1: ProTek is the silica stuff for making the plants stronger. It would be nice if they would list the pH of the products on the label. I picked up some Mad Farmer pH down with buffers so I could get a more stable pH than I was getting with vinegar. Turns out the vinegar was not the problem - it was the protek.

Mohican said:

In bio class back in the 80's we were growing in a clear jello medium! We were cutting off different parts of the plant and getting them to root by using hormones. I remember watching a documentary about some guys in Berkeley that were cutting off the tops of MJ plants and dipping them in powder and growing clones of the original plant. They had it all set up on an assembly line. I wonder what cut that was?

Edit 1: ProTek is the silica stuff for making the plants stronger. It would be nice if they would list the pH of the products on the label. I picked up some Mad Farmer pH down with buffers so I could get a more stable pH than I was getting with vinegar. Turns out the vinegar was not the problem - it was the protek.

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Ah, I see. Silica, huh? Well it sounds like you have it sorted, yeah?

What is the output for your sprinkler pump?

Mohican said:

What is the output for your sprinkler pump?

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I use the 396gph model to drive the sprinklers and the external refresh res. I use the smaller 185gph to drive the chiller circulation line, which for ten gallons is still very robust.

But remember, in addition to the 'blank canvas' of RO, these magnetic drive pumps are also why we need Calmag. You guessed it. Iron. Magnets sucking iron out of the water makes perfect sense to me. Calmag isn't just for cal or mag anymore. Lol.

OK - I got the ECO-264 because it had threads. I will see how much pressure there is and maybe I will drill a relief hole in the PVC so the pump is not overworked.

Mohican said:

OK - I got the ECO-264 because it had threads. I will see how much pressure there is and maybe I will drill a relief hole in the PVC so the pump is not overworked.

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I have my 396 recirculating 10 gallons through a pretty large PVC H configuration. The sprinkler heads flow freely but not with so much pressure that the pump is being taxed. The sprinklers spray energetically but without making a mess. I used to run a much larger pump with a greater number of spray heads before I learned to tone it down.

Yeah, find the right flow/pressure balance by adding a head here or there.

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When building a tub with a sprayer situation in it, keeping the water in should be the first and foremost design challenge on the builder's mind. Having fluid leak out and gather anywhere in your grow area is just a bad, bad thing to be avoided at all cost. Through many a sloppy, wet grow, I modified my tub's guts by lowering the spray head height, switching to a smaller drive pump, and decreasing number of spray heads. I also installed a nautical grade neoprene gasket to the edge of the lid's underside. The weight of the plants eventually exerts pressure on the seal, keeping the water IN.

Remember, we need the tub to remain structurally sound through the rigors of a long, long grow under a hot, hot light.

Just a little build tip. Avoid water coming out anywhere! This invites mold and mildew!

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I already see a change.






And look, the Larry side is smaller, but hell if she ain't a beautiful plant.


In fact let's take a closer look at Larry tonight.


I have a feeling this is gonna be great weed, too. I guess it is kind of fun having two kinds.


See tower of Larry growing proudly amongst a nice cluster of her lower heads?


Here's a closer look at it. It's gonna be fun to track the growth of this branch. It seems almost to have taken on a life of its own.

The hydroton surface of the net pot always tells the tale. I almost feel like a hydroton fortune teller.

Keeping the net pot protected with a plate like this is a crude but effective method of ensuring that the light won't react badly with the moist rocks. Usually I see some white stained rocks from salt buildup, but not so this time. This is the crucial point. An exceedingly clean hydroton area means a clean grow.

And all seems to be well with the world according to Anton.

Yes, he's as soft and warm as he looks. Getting high on my OG and having Anton around is def a good thing. Sometimes I just get super baked and watch his behaviors. He's hilarious.

It's become an early challenge to read the tri-meter. This usually doesn't happen until about a week or so into flowering.


And my fat cat wishes you all a pleasant evening.

I've started him on a weight control diet... I don't think it's working. This guy is fuckin' huge. And he just keeps eating and eating and beating up on my roommate's cat.

Y'know how most cats will scratch and bite you if you try to touch their belly? Not this guy. He lays down on his side and exposes it for you to rub. It's my fault. I just kept rubbing his tummy and he became trained to like it.

hope u don't ever get cat hairs in ya bud i bet you've found a few! looking great jin as always, seems as though i caused a bit of a stir on my thread thats how we like it....spice it up a bit.

Love the look of Larry's defined leaves with that distinct v down the centre of the blades, nice and shiny also! looks like you got a bit of stretch to go there jin!!

niiiiiice intrigued in this H202, but i use Zyme would that defeat the purpose? ZYME is basically corn syrub

edit: bleach your cat, and colour him orange with some H202 and he's Garfield for sure