LED grow 300W VIPAR White Russian, Blue Cheese, Northern Lights

Seeds:
Serious Seeds White Russian
Barneys Farm Seeds Blue Cheese
Nirvana Seeds Northern Light

Wardrobe:
42x115x165

Lights:
300W Vipar LED
300W CFL dual spectrum

Other toys:
Ruck RK 150L 6" 760m3/h
150x300mm (6 INCH) Rhino Pro Filter
Insulated ducting ventilation
fan speed controller
ONA block
12 L pots (or 15? Can't remember I think it's 12 )
Passive intake/4" intake (I got second one but not installed yet Maybe I will
1 oscillating fan

Medium and nutes:
BioBizz Allmix
Biobizz Grow
Biobizz Bloom
Molasses
Dolomite
Fully Organic Grow.

Day 95 from seed, Week 5 of flowering.

Few pictures of Northern Lights from today:

And few of White Russian

Blue Cheese will fallow tomorrow since he wasn't watered or fed today

Here is my Blue Cheese and grow picture. I just watered and fed him. He is extremely annoying, other 2 plants are doing great! This one same conditions and yellowing all the time, smallest plant smallest buds. I finally fed him full dose that according to biobizz should be given really late and then he burned slightly : D So from 4ml/l i went back to 3 ml/l this time so I bet he will be yellowing again. I hope quality of smoke and yield will be exceptional or I will not grow anything from Barnsley again.






Left: White Russian Blue Cheese Northern Lights

Some fresh pictures of all 3 of my plants Week 6 already so not long now

Here is my Blue Cheese. Week 7 of flowering, I see first amber so I start flush next week and After 1-3 weeks flushin so week 9-11 of flowering I will harvest. He was watered and fed today, so his pictures tomorrow I will post White Russian and Northern Lights.

Today White Russian and Northern Lights they look way better.

Nice! I am using a VIPAR 400 watt LED, but its actually pulling a little under 200 watts true.... And I'm using 100 watts of CFL on the side lighting.

I keep my LED like 5 inches away from the canopy and my girl loves it. Try moving your light a bit closer and see how they respond to it! The buds look AWESOME btw !

131 days, 10 weeks flowering harvest time:

Hey Leyus, I read your grow thread with envy really nice. Im wondering what you think of the Vipar?

Sorry for late answer I don't visit often unfortunately.

VIPAR 300 W Summary

Adventages
1. Colours look lovely

2. Almost no heat.
3. Energy saving
4. Low fire risk (hardly any rly, since no heat and if one of the LED dies nothing happens unless manufacturers rly messed up, LEDs are not famous of catching fire while with HPS it is a whole different story).
5. Eco friendly because of all the above points.
6. Worked decent in flowering.
7. Short internodes in vegging ( disadvantage for me since I like to train them a lot but most ppl like that, especially good with limited space. I'm just trying to be objective)
8. Good coverage and penetration (20-12 inches no issues, same with coverage quite small light covered my whole wardrobe)
9. I feel like it matured plants faster, it might be just me since CFL delays harvest by 1-2 weeks but it feels like things went way faster. More data is needed to confirm that it might be subjective.
10. Price- initial cost is extremely high but if it will really work so many years (about 8 years I think, can't remember they are rly longlife choice), all the HPS you need to buy in that time will cost you more.

Disadvantages:
1. Extremely short cable. It is computer power cable with standard length I needed some extra length I think they should add a bit longer cable.
2. Colours - yes they look lovely but it is unusual colour, with 300W from outside it looks like TV is flickering from outside my flat but I can imagine with 1000W whole window can turn pink. If more people will start using it it might become problem leading to detection. As long as you keep it percy under 1000W I think it is fine. Above 1000W I would be definitely worried this spectrum is way too visible for human eye.
3. I think 300W HPS would get me a bit more yield. I mean this LED is definitely better then my CFL all I am saying is aim for 600-800W if yield is your main goal (which is not for me but again it is for heavy smokers), it was my choice to get just 300W and I am ok with it but I think except DIY LEDs and some extremely expensive American ones this technology might still yield a bit smaller then HPS.
4. Initial cost

As for harvest results are:
Blue Cheese - 34 g
White Russian - 37 g
Northern Lights - 44 g
Total: 115 g (4 ounces)

Not too bad for 12 l pots and just 300W, way better then my CFL grows.

Nice!
I almost got some blue cheese this year from another breeder, but
Maybe next year.

yeah thanks Leyus for the info, & great pics by the way - me so jealous

Hey leyus, exactly what cfl did you use to supplement? could you possibly provide a link? A friend of mine just bought 3 vipars and Im trying to help her find some supplementation.

leyus said:

As for harvest results are:
Blue Cheese - 34 g
White Russian - 37 g
Northern Lights - 44 g
Total: 115 g (4 ounces)

Not too bad for 12 l pots and just 300W, way better then my CFL grows.

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Hey leyus, checking out your thread and results. Nice grow but I found much the same thing with Top LED panels, they did Ok but in flowering buds were fluffy, no weight. Have since switched to CMH and got huge increase in production, like 3x the weight. Still using those panels for seeds/clones/veg as they do really well, but no longer flowering with them.

WOBBLESAUCE said:

Hey leyus, exactly what cfl did you use to supplement? could you possibly provide a link? A friend of mine just bought 3 vipars and Im trying to help her find some supplementation.

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One thing I found by accident recently in my breeding tent was that mixing a low-end Chinese COB light running 3000k, 3x 13w CFL's @2700k, and 3x 10W LED bulbs @4000k, produced as well as my CMH, tight/dense buds, no fluff. I'm trying this rig again to make sure I can reproduce the results but right now, it's looking like supplementing LED's, particularly white LED's at different spectrum/colours may just do the trick, even with low-end LED's. Further details in my sig CMH thread if you want more info. Cheers.

GroErr said:

Hey leyus, checking out your thread and results. Nice grow but I found much the same thing with Top LED panels, they did Ok but in flowering buds were fluffy, no weight. Have since switched to CMH and got huge increase in production, like 3x the weight. Still using those panels for seeds/clones/veg as they do really well, but no longer flowering with them.



One thing I found by accident recently in my breeding tent was that mixing a low-end Chinese COB light running 3000k, 3x 13w CFL's @2700k, and 3x 10W LED bulbs @4000k, produced as well as my CMH, tight/dense buds, no fluff. I'm trying this rig again to make sure I can reproduce the results but right now, it's looking like supplementing LED's, particularly white LED's at different spectrum/colours may just do the trick, even with low-end LED's. Further details in my sig CMH thread if you want more info. Cheers.

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what would u suggest I use to supplement these lights in a flower chamber? she has a 4 bulb 4 foot t5 for veg. looking into ur threads now thanks!! I've posted in 5 separate threads and the only replys i got were negative and non constructive =)

May want to try something simple first, haven't tried mixing/adding those bulbs with these multi-spectrum Chinese panels and I doubt they'd do as well as all-white in different colours but imo they will improve the yields. I'd look at adding some 2700k and 3500 or 4000k, these are more in the red spectrum range. Most of these chinese panels seem to do well in veg yet fall down in flowering, meaning they have more than enough blue in there. So my thinking is any supplemental lighting should stick to the red spectrums. You could do it with CFL's if your space can handle a little more heat, that's a pretty low investment that won't hurt the pocket book. Although I think white LED bulbs of any type, Cree ideally would fare better as their efficiency is much better than CFL's, less heat too. The supplemental "panel" I threw in my tent cost me about $35 to build and took a couple of hours. There's a lot of ways to rig them, I posted my build when I initially built them for CFL's for cloning and seedlings, but you can mix both CFL's or LED bulbs in them, here's a link to that design. Cheers.

Here's a pic of the panel in the breeding tent I mentioned. Just angled it to throw the light across the canopy and kept them close to the canopy. The second pic is the result of one of the 2 plants (left-side in first pic) in that tent, largest/heaviest single bud/cola I've pulled yet, weight wise I'm thinking double the weight of previous runs in there without the supplemental panel...

Sorry guys I don't visit often. I didn't supplement LED with CFL (that was a plan but things got complicated). Any dual spectrum CFL should do they are very similar those days I just took cheapest 300W CFL from ebay and used it for 25 days then switched to LED.

EDIT: And I owe apology to Barneys, Blue Cheese reacted badly to stress, grew like rubbish, very hard to feed (either overfeeding or under feeding all the time) but eventually after curing smoke is A+, certainly my favoured, only White Russian comes close. Rest is good, can't complaint about Northern Lights or strains from my previous grows but this Blue Cheese is most pleasant, best smell and taste with incredible potency and excellent effect. Worth getting all that hardship during grow.