Led Growing Is The Way Of The Future My Friends

hoss12781

hoss12781

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well said spooky. IMO three 300-400w units will replace a 1000w hid no problem. I used to run 2 400w hps units and was able to replace/upgrade my total growing area by getting 2 180w units and 1 250w unit. Just make sure to do your reseach and buy from a company that offers a warranty.

CFL all the way - seriously? The lumenescence fades super quick and you'll spend an eternity moving the lights around to keep optimum coverage on your ladies. Have you every tried HID or legitimate LED grow lights? I'm not saying one (HID OR LED) is better than the other, depends on the specific needs of your garden but I'd wager that almost everyone who's tried at least a 400w HID or at least a well made 180w LED would tell you that either blows the hell out of CFLS. Just my opinion from starting using a lot of 105w cfls, then switching to HID, then going to LED. For me LED kicks ass in the summer cause its hot as fuck in the dirty south and I was having a very hard time growing with HID during summer months.
 
curly604

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spooky1i said:
I have not read all the posts on here so forgive me if I am repeating something someone else has said. There is alot of talk about the intial cost of these LED and recouping your money foy your intial investment and being the owner of a 1000 watt digital HID unit I will have to say you bashers of LED's are just deluded when it comes to the cost of running said unit. The amount of heat put off by this thing is incredible. I had to install a portable ac unit in the room just to keep it cool enough in the room for the summer months. So there is the extra cost to run that which is alot I might add. Even being a night time opperator and living in the northeast with mild summers. And I'm no newbie either been growing for years and years. Then factor in the replacement bulb cost. Hortilux eye 80 to 120 smacks depending who you get them from and that should be changed every grow. If you arent changing it then your cutting your own wang off in the end. So there is that. And if you do say 4 or 5 runs a year like I do then it adds up to say an LED unit. Plus the extra cost to AC in the summer months. Are LED's pricey sure, are there alot of jags out there trying to make a quick buck on some crappy LED's definitely. But at the same time there are some companies out there putting out good products don't let some rip off LED's taint your whole outlook on the technoligy. And when you bash so hard about something you obviously don't have a clear understanding about you seem like you represent an interest that is working for the HID industry. Don't take this the wrong way. I'm an old guy I don't except change easily it has to be proven to me first. LED seems to me like it's right there. I plan on making the switch in the near future. I will probably end up getting 3 units in the 3 to 4 hundred watt category because I currently use a mover for that 1000 HID to bloom 16 to 18 plants at a time. Hell just not having to buy a new bulb every 2 months is enough reason for me to do it. Also the digital balast will only last maybe 5 years if you are lucky. But the heat in the summer is definetly an issue as well. Am I going to throw my HID in the trash or sell it no. Could be useful in the winter still helps heat the house. Also I figure it could be used a couple weeks here and there to supersize my yield. I have been following the advancements of LED for years and watching the prices slowly creep down. I think it's time to get involved. More efficiency=lower overhead.
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you nailed it spooks ive been trring to tell alot of people on this thread that but they seem contempt to buying these heat machines that cost usually almost as much. unless your running a shitty setup that will probly catch on fire your looking at very comparable prices people just fail to see the long term running costs of all the shit you need for hps especially in hot weather and they cost alot up front too! anyway plus rep to you friendo.:blsmoke::blsmoke::blsmoke:
 
Toolage 87

Toolage 87

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LED growing is the way of the future but until they can beat MH and HPS lights its not gonna make a difference. CFLs can still do better then LEDs still.
 
curly604

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Toolage 87 said:
LED growing is the way of the future but until they can beat MH and HPS lights its not gonna make a difference. CFLs can still do better then LEDs still
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maybe a shitty china ufo led vs a few monster cfl's besides that cfl's blow dude save em for lighting your living room they good for that.
 
Toolage 87

Toolage 87

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At first I use to think that only CFLs will work for me then maybe LEDs once they got better but when I bought a 70w MH light I'm almost able to slam the light right down to where it can be around 8 inches away. Cool tube the MH and I can pretty much have the cooltube touching the tops of the plants. A 70w MH light puts out abit more heat then a 45w CFL. For me I have become a ture believer in MH and HPS even at the low wattage bulbs can out perform CFLs at the same wattage.

curly604 said:
maybe a shitty china ufo led vs a few monster cfl's besides that cfl's blow dude save em for lighting your living room they good for that.
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No CFLs are still useful for growing with if a person wants to do a cheap grow with them. As I said before low wattage MH and HPS lights can out preform the CFLs. Also CFLs for lighting is crap now imo cfls aren't worth buying besides doing a cheap grow with them cloning is the only thing that is better. I bought a 3.5w LED light bulb from walmart and the thing lights up the room nicely even though its low wattage.
 
curly604

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[video=youtube;uy3PQppU_as]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uy3PQppU_as[/video]i use cfl's as supplimental lighting in my led tent i got a 120w led and about 80w of cfl. i paid i think 160 or 180 for my panel and i will see that return on my first run and then some and i fucked things up pretty good along the way haha first hydro grow. here's a vid
 
Toolage 87

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Looks pretty good but for the price I'd still prefer my MH and HPS lights since I'll have to replace them 2 times per year since people say replace the lights every 6 months. Also your using CFLs not '' Just '' LEDs. we are talking about using only LEDs for flowering with no extra light support like CFLs, MH and HPS.
 
curly604

curly604

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Toolage 87 said:
Looks pretty good but for the price I'd still prefer my MH and HPS lights since I'll have to replace them 2 times per year since people say replace the lights every 6 months. Also your using CFLs not '' Just '' LEDs. we are talking about using only LEDs for flowering with no extra light support like CFLs, MH and HPS.
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who`s we this is my thread haha and i just said in my post what i got. also changing your bulb twice a year is reason for you to stay with MH and HPS that dont make sense to me they cost more money and i never have to replace bulbs.also as you can see in the vid i have 3 of my girls directly under my 120w led they might get a little light from the cfl`s but that shitty cfl light is scared of the power of my led it is bright as fuck kills those shitty little things.
 
Toolage 87

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curly604 said:
who`s we this is my thread haha and i just said in my post what i got. also changing your bulb twice a year is reason for you to stay with MH and HPS that dont make sense to me they cost more money and i never have to replace bulbs.also as you can see in the vid i have 3 of my girls directly under my 120w led they might get a little light from the cfl`s but that shitty cfl light is scared of the power of my led it is bright as fuck kills those shitty little things.
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if I wanted to I could use them for 14 to 15 months and that's with the life hours that the bulb is rated at with some time to space since it can last 16 months using it 20 hours a day. Also the bulbs that I am using aren't that expensive and also because I go to an electric place they give me a $10 to $15 discount because they are a wholesale place and they do bundle discounts. For where I live the cost of LED things cost darn close to $300 to $500 and ordering them online isn't an option for me.
 
El Superbeasto

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Then don't buy them? What are you trying to prove here on an LED thread? Nobody is forcing you to use LEDs.

Toolage 87 said:
if I wanted to I could use them for 14 to 15 months and that's with the life hours that the bulb is rated at with some time to space since it can last 16 months using it 20 hours a day. Also the bulbs that I am using aren't that expensive and also because I go to an electric place they give me a $10 to $15 discount because they are a wholesale place and they do bundle discounts. For where I live the cost of LED things cost darn close to $300 to $500 and ordering them online isn't an option for me.
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hoss12781

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no doubt. Don't attack the technology unless you've used it personally and it failed for you. If that is the case please let us know what you were doing with your light (grow room set up, nutes, lighting schedule, most importantly brand of led light and wattage). This thread, and this board for that matter are about providing others with knoweldge based on one's experience, getting what we hope is sound advice, and showing off your ladies. That, and wasting a lot of time at work.
 
snew

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I purchase to Blackstar 240's to grow though the summer heat. I placed 3 Blue Cheese under 1 light and 3 Jilly Bean under the other light. They began Flower a 28 days ago. 2 BC are progressing well. The other BC grew much bigger as if still under Veg light and has just begun to form buds. The JB show no signs of flowering. They are all in one group under the 2 lights. I checked today and there is no light leak. Any thoughts?
 
Jloi

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Plasma is the light of the future to go with! Forget LED. I just wish I had the cash to buy it!
 
TheOrganic

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I see why its the wave but will yield a lot or is this for small comsuption? I almost bought a UFO on first grow. But buds look frosty and decent with them. No joust here I am just checking out and have some questions.
 
El Superbeasto

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I saw the post before he edited it. I don't get what is the matter with some people...

Bad Karma said:
You poor, poor thing.
Looks like you edited your post, what made you change your tune Zippy?
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Just like with any product, you get what you pay for. Cheap panels = cheap results. Good panels = good results. I use both HPS and LED, and my HPS is on its last grow before it gets switched out with a GLH LED panel.

TheOrganic said:
I see why its the wave but will yield a lot or is this for small comsuption? I almost bought a UFO on first grow. But buds look frosty and decent with them. No joust here I am just checking out and have some questions.
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hoss12781

hoss12781

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those pics I attached were my first led effort. Yield was probably 15% less than hid, but given it was my first experience using them I had to rethink my watering nute schedule ect. I'm happy with the results. Buds turned out better despite my 3 year old pouring concentrated Tiger bloom all over the plants during flowering. He thought he was helping. Now that I've ridden the learning curve and will remember to use the dead bolt on my grow room I'm pretty sure the next rounds yields will be equiv to HID in terms of yield.
 
newworldicon

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Jloi said:
Plasma is the light of the future to go with! Forget LED. I just wish I had the cash to buy it!
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I went to the hydro show in Manchester last weekend where I spoke to the Gavitas rep on the stand who admitted after some questioning that their 300W unit is far from performing just yet, he explained the use of supplemental lighting which seemed ludicrous considering the plasma was thousands already....
 
snew

snew

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snew said:
I purchase to Blackstar 240's to grow though the summer heat. I placed 3 Blue Cheese under 1 light and 3 Jilly Bean under the other light. They began Flower a 28 days ago. 2 BC are progressing well. The other BC grew much bigger as if still under Veg light and has just begun to form buds. The JB show no signs of flowering. They are all in one group under the 2 lights. I checked today and there is no light leak. Any thoughts?
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I'll ask again. Maybe an experienced LED grower can tell me whats going on. It makes no since to me.
 
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