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Bullethead21 said:

LED's are blowing HID lighting away both in performance and power consumption.

They now make REAL 300W and 600W TRUE LED's that have 5 band spectrums that include UV and IR. ALL 5 bands of needed light spectrums are covered and can be controlled individually for different stages of growth ( e.g. veg, flower..ect...).

From the test already done, these LED's blows HPS out of the water. There is literally no comparison. The price for these lights are whacked right now in the 4 grand range.

You will see and hear about them soon enough. There are already a few video's out and some sites with test growers using them. so save the flameing...the proof is REAL!! Accecpt it or not.....LED is the future and as soon as some of these "slower" learning growers realize whats up they will be VERY happy to toss those HID's in the garbage.

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Whilst you may be correct on some of this info, it doesn't change anything RIGHT NOW. Until these superior LED lights are mass-produced and available, it doesn't mean shit.

Unless you want to sit on your hands for a few years until you can get one, or pay some stupidly high price just to be one of the "cool kids", they are not yet a viable option for a decent grow setup.

Did not say they were at current. I was stating they ARE superior to ANY HID lighting made and they ARE the future!

Maybe you should re-read not only what I posted but this entire thread.

YOu can build them yourself if you wanted to use one now, BTW.

Just another negative type post agaisnt LED lighting from people who do not know better.

It is a good dream though

Bullethead21 said:

Did not say they were at current. I was stating they ARE superior to ANY HID lighting made and they ARE the future!

Maybe you should re-read not only what I posted but this entire thread.

YOu can build them yourself if you wanted to use one now, BTW.

Just another negative type post agaisnt LED lighting from people who do not know better.

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I agree that LEDs will one day replace HID lighting, but like I said, that day is not yet. You implied that anyone who is using HPS is "slow", or somehow retarded, when in fact the opposite is true. The growers who have paid out money for the current incarnation of LED grow lights are, in my opinion, somewhat dim.

You can say that something is "the future" as many times as you want, but that doesn't mean that everyone should jump on the bandwagon with inferior early versions. You'd only have to upgrade anyway when these super-duper new ones finally make it to consumer level. As for building your own, i'd be interested in seeing how much that would cost, and also a completed grow by someone who doesn't have a vested interest in selling the components required. Only then would I feel confident in switching over.

BTW, maybe you should read the thread yourself. All conversation up until your post was regarding the current generation on the market. Everyone knows that they are "the future", but we're talking about !"the now".

Show me one decent led-only grow and i'll kindly shut the fuck up.

No its true, they're the future and the immediate future.

LEDs are even arguably better than those new plasma lights...

ya'll just gotta wait. not very many people are working on it.

I'd post my grow but i dont have privacy- its an led success.

Just to let you know I can say this now, it works, at the very least, on a watt for watt basis against the almighty hps.

littlegrower2004 said:

have you used HPS? from what i have seen comparing my grows with others that use HPS, is that the growth and stagger of the plants in LED is alot less and slower than HPS. i thought mine werent stretching but in all reality i just didnt know how short and stalky these things trully can be. i had a few trial and errors with these lights and one of the most important things is, like you said, they dont penetrate the canopy for shit. about the first 6 to 10 inchs are in good light but after that it gets fairly dark. when you go into flowering that makes a large problem unless you trim off a good majority of the lower growth. also the number of plants is something to take into account. with a large number i had very bad results due to bad root growth and just not enough power for anything over 6 plants. when i switched to 6 in bubbeponics is when i got the best results. but if you cant control the level of your plants as well then you will loose out on your final harvest. control your stretch in flower and im sure the mix of cfl wth the led with give you some decent results. i hope..

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No i havent used HPS this is my first real attempt at indoor. i have been reading many posts/books/magazines about growing, and have seen a lot of pictures of HID grows that have way more space in between nodes than i do, so i assume that mine arent stretching. Im sure bushiness depends on strain too. Also, alot of plants that seem more stretched than mine are larger gardens with many plants sharing the same light. I only have 5 plants, and plan to have less as i get into it. I agree that the LEDs arent for larger gardens (yet) I would ideally like to have 2 in veg 2 in flower, to keep under 4 total. I think with the LEDs and CFLs, i should get something.

Sorry Nocturn3, I really just dont care that your that far behind and cant seem to even understand what I am saying or grasp it.

Not trying to be an ass, I just wont go into a debate I cant win simply because you lack the knowledge of LED capabilities....TODAY!

No worries, the general mass will get caught up soon enough on just what LED lighting can do an how they will replace HID lighting...except for the hardhead diehards....hehe

Dont worry Nocturn3, you will be "enlightned'' soon enough.

CUrrently there is only one company I know of that make the true 300W and 600W LED 5 band lights. Each of the 5 bands of colors/spectrums can be controlled seperatly. Like when your in veg you just turn on the blue band and so on.....even has UV and IR that is also computer controlled. These lights are bad to the bone and blow ANY HPS light away. Im telling you its not even a fair comparison.

The UV can be used to increase trichrome production like you have never seen! Literaly must see to understand! I just wish they didnt cost like 3 grand......the only down side to them....unless you happen to be rich..hehe

Hopefully the price will come down maybe after they are pushed on the market. Might be that only "Elite" growers and true hobbiest will be using these type LED's....who knows......
Peace!

I know my post is fairly moot, I have no personal experience with LED.

HOWEVER.... my local dispensary does. They have a large setup, both for veg and for flower. Plants look great, nice dense buds, decent yield, heat isn't as MUCH of an issue, but simple ventilation is still required. I have seen these plants grow first hand, and I have smoked their product. LED's do work. I just do not know what type of LED setup they have. I will be back there this weekend, and I will talk to them about their current setup more, and get back to yall. Sorry I didn't have more info for you, but I do know it can work, with a proper setup and the right amount of cash.

Treeth said:

No its true, they're the future and the immediate future

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Treeth said:

ya'll just gotta wait.

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I agree with this. However, for those that just want to grow weed NOW, HPS is the way to go. If you think you might want to grow weed in months or years from now, and you will have plenty of money to burn, then by all means wait.

ok guys, easy does it. this thread was designed to post information about LED's from people who have used them. However it again looks as if its turning into -my daddy can kick your daddy's ass- thread. Please the topic is LED USERS SHARE YOUR RESULTS, not is HPS better than LED.

We are really comparing apples to oranges, This thread is for those who A. Can't use HPS (like me), B. Are running experiments with LEDs. or C. Have used LEDs in the past for whatever reason. By no means are we trying to find out which one has the bigger ball sack. Lets stop fighting, and start posting more results, so that people who have to, or just want to can come to a better buying decision on which LEDs just might not suck that bad.

Thanks everyone!

Bullethead21 said:

Sorry Nocturn3, I really just dont care that your that far behind and cant seem to even understand what I am saying or grasp it.

Not trying to be an ass, I just wont go into a debate I cant win simply because you lack the knowledge of LED capabilities....TODAY!

No worries, the general mass will get caught up soon enough on just what LED lighting can do an how they will replace HID lighting...except for the hardhead diehards....hehe

Dont worry Nocturn3, you will be "enlightned'' soon enough.

CUrrently there is only one company I know of that make the true 300W and 600W LED 5 band lights. Each of the 5 bands of colors/spectrums can be controlled seperatly. Like when your in veg you just turn on the blue band and so on.....even has UV and IR that is also computer controlled. These lights are bad to the bone and blow ANY HPS light away. Im telling you its not even a fair comparison.

The UV can be used to increase trichrome production like you have never seen! Literaly must see to understand! I just wish they didnt cost like 3 grand......the only down side to them....unless you happen to be rich..hehe

Hopefully the price will come down maybe after they are pushed on the market. Might be that only "Elite" growers and true hobbiest will be using these type LED's....who knows......
Peace!

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Okay, i'll put this another way:

You're saying that paying 3+ grand for a light is a good idea. I could take that 3 grand, use it to setup a decent HPS grow, including fans, CF, nutes, and also cover all the running costs, for many grows.

Then after several years of what amounts to free weed, I could then buy one of these super-duper LED lights, which by then costs just a couple of hundred, because they are now mass produced and affordable. Also, by this point, tweaks have been made, a few extra parts of the spectrum have been added in for completeness, and your original 3 grand prototype is an outdated, inferior model compared to the cheaper, refined version.

Or I could buy the 3 grand light now, just to be part of "the future", and still have to cover all the other setup and running costs of any grows I undertake, only to be gutted in a few years time when my expensive light is worth fuck all by comparison, and I have to upgrade anyway.


I have a very good idea of how technology advances, moreso than you by the sounds of it. I get the feeling that you have made some retarded purchase of an inferior light, and now are trying to desperately justify it by making yourself out to be some kind of visionary who is ahead of your time.

What light do you currently use, just out of curiosity?

xesvuli420 said:

ok guys, easy does it. this thread was designed to post information about LED's from people who have used them. However it again looks as if its turning into -my daddy can kick your daddy's ass- thread. Please the topic is LED USERS SHARE YOUR RESULTS, not is HPS better than LED.

We are really comparing apples to oranges, This thread is for those who A. Can't use HPS (like me), B. Are running experiments with LEDs. or C. Have used LEDs in the past for whatever reason. By no means are we trying to find out which one has the bigger ball sack. Lets stop fighting, and start posting more results, so that people who have to, or just want to can come to a better buying decision on which LEDs just might not suck that bad.

Thanks everyone!

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Sorry dude, I missed this post, and you are right. Please don't mistake me for some kind of HPS fanboy, as I truly do see the potential for LEDs in time to come.

Whilst I have never grown with LEDs, I have read a lot about them over previous years, seen hundreds of grows with them, and feel well able to judge what the current generation of them are capable of.

I am always interested to see the results that they will produce, and hope that they do consistently outperform HPS some time soon. I am not some kid who is trying to justify what I currently have, like some console fanboy. I am a dedicated grower who has a serious interest in what works best for our purposes.

I am interested in what you said about lack of ventilation. My view is that any money you would spend on expensive lighting would be better spent on sorting out airflow instead. I am curious as to why you think differently.

Air flow is critical for healthy plants.
And like i said before used a led and got WAY better results with a 150 hps than the 90w ufo.
Anybody can use hid.I live in a apartment so you can not use that as a excuse.
And then how about light penetration,led can not penetrate as deep as a hid.

Check this LED grow out

hxxp://xxx.ledgrow.eu

Bullethead21 said:

Check this LED grow out

hxxp://xxx.ledgrow.eu

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Nice link, although i have already read it. Maybe you should read the actual words instead of looking at the pretty pictures. Pay particular attention to the "facts and theory" page, as well as this statement on the page you linked to:

"I recommend to doubt the words of anybody who claims growing Marijuana with Led's is already available, ask for proof, only results count.
Don't buy the stuff that is being sold on ebay etc, no matter what claims they make, HPS is much better."

Added to this is the fact that this guy has a vested interest in making his future product sound great. When it hits the market, and is independently verified by growers, then I will be convinced. I still wouldn't buy one immediately though, for the reasons I outlined in my earlier post.

Again I will ask, what light are you currently using?

Keeps dancing around the questions

Mindmelted said:

Air flow is critical for healthy plants.
And like i said before used a led and got WAY better results with a 150 hps than the 90w ufo.
Anybody can use hid.I live in a apartment so you can not use that as a excuse.
And then how about light penetration,led can not penetrate as deep as a hid.

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Again, this is a thread for future LED users to come to find out results for particular LEDs, this isnt a thread for hid fanboys to argue with led fanboys. If you have used a led before, and have had bad results, then please tell us the led you used, and what happened. If not then this isn't the right thread for you.
Thanks

Bullethead21 said:

Check this LED grow out

hxxp://xxx.ledgrow.eu

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Bullethead, If you want true results, then you can't pay close attention to "LED TEST" from sites that sale those particular devices. They just want to sale their LEDs. I have heard of sites now that will grow using HID, but come picture day, will throw their UFO into the shot. We have to be careful what exactly we believe, and I personally just don't believe any results unless they come from unbiased regular joe's like us who give LEDs a fair shot, and tell us how they work. But thanks for trying to help the thread. It's people like you that help this community learn new tips, tricks, and ideas.

Bullethead21 said:

Check this LED grow out

hxxp://xxx.ledgrow.eu

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haha did anyone see the results this guy got??? the best he got was his 6th attempt and only pulled 52 g. im sorry but what was the point of checking this led grow bullet???

edit: o wait the 5th grow was his best with near 60 g.

Mindmelted said:

Anybody can use hid.I live in a apartment so you can not use that as a excuse.

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Actually there are reasons why people can't do things.
Lets look at the cons of HID systems...

Heat-What if you can't allow much heat buildup, closet grow, cabinet grow, any grow where lack of ventilation could be a problem.
Power increase-A safe grow is a happy grow, It is a fact that any HID light will increase the users power bill. a 150w will raise it 4-12 dollars, a 250 from 15-30, and a 400 from 30-60. (these are estimates when using the HID only 12 hours. so If you use it more, then guess what) Some people are paranoid about power company narc's, or just can't let a grow go noticed to the payer of the power bill.
Price- Guess what, now-a-days the led's can actually be cheaper than HPS systems. As long as you make sure the specs are the same as the more expensive units, then IMO you are getting the a product that should work just as good.
Quiet-Again, in a place where stealth is the key, you don't hear any BZZZZZZZZ coming from under the door.

Long story short, just because you can get away with it, doesn't mean everyone can! Sometimes people have to do things they don't want to do, (like me). Coming here to tell them that they are stupid just doesn't work for me. Most people here are out of options, and its either use LEDs or don't grow. Of course some are here just because they want to try something out. I shouldn't even submit this post because this thread is for those who are looking to make the right investment decision in a quality LED product. We are not debating which one is better. Oh well! have a nice day