Let's Debate

ThE sAtIvA hIgH said:

im english btw ...............and what was god doing for the eternity before he decided to make us , cos what you are saying is your god must of just allways of been there , so what was he doing for the eternity before he decided to make our universe and where was he ? coz our universe didnt exist before he made it .

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Fucking around in space maybe with aliens or maybe on something we don't know about and comprehend

so nothing created him he was ALLWAYS there,floating around as this ENERGY thing , in SPACE with ALIENS and one day 6000 years ago he suddenly decided to create humans , and put them on this planet he just created with a sun that will eventually die out and destroy the planet , and then give them a choice , but call it free will , to worship and obey him and go to his heaven he created full of nice things or dont believe in him and go to a hell with a devil in charge ................. lol ...........its endless fun with religious people

funny thing is if you had told me these wonders 6000 years ago i would of actually believed you , you mad old bastard lol

The problem here and has always been the problem, is that most people today our victims to the "system". They tell us all this bs about Jesus dying for our sins and to go. To heaven u have to go threw him, that's not true. They stole Jesus story and made it there own. Truth is, u are ur own "God" but they don't want u to know that because it is impowering. But I DO believe in Spirit! Ur probably asking what the hell is Spirit?? Spirit is the driving forc e of life and everything else! And yes, I'm a firm believer in science and evolution! Because! There. Are so many things that sicence won't tell the public, because they know most people won't be able to handle the "turth". Do ur self a favor and look into Sacred Geometry. There are so many things about ur past history and culture, and other civilization before us, that is. Hiden and kept from us on. Purpose, to surpress us. And yes any religion that tells u to worship another god is wrong and led by the hearts of men. So look more to the Spiritual ways of. Life like Buddhism that teach a way of life! So don't spend so much time ridiculing someone. Elses belief system, go out and find ur OWN! Because its just that, ur own!

your argueing with a wall. both of you are on opposite sides of this wall. pushing it so perhaps it may tumble down upon the other and cover them in your beliefs. but this wall will not move. its the wall of mans ego and it will not falter. .. i say find something beter to do gentlemen because you both know the other one is wrong, and you both know that niether will surcome. so ya, stop it already.

sorry but i believe religion is a evil we must get rid of .

than you yourself are evil for wanting to vanguish something you have no authority to. saying things like this will put the seed of hate into people hearts. either way god or no god, we should not be eraticating shit we dont believe in. that just makes you a hiipocrite seeing as thats exactly what religions have been doing. so ya. lost cause hombre

gfreeman said:

your argueing with a wall. both of you are on opposite sides of this wall. pushing it so perhaps it may tumble down upon the other and cover them in your beliefs. but this wall will not move. its the wall of mans ego and it will not falter. .. i say find something beter to do gentlemen because you both know the other one is wrong, and you both know that niether will surcome. so ya, stop it already.

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no your wrong .one side has evidence , reason and logic .......the other side requires belief , superstition and ancient mythology .

gfreeman said:

than you yourself are evil for wanting to vanguish something you have no authority to. saying things like this will put the seed of hate into people hearts. either way god or no god, we should not be eraticating shit we dont believe in. that just makes you a hiipocrite seeing as thats exactly what religions have been doing. so ya. lost cause hombre

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i cant stand back and watch you put false hopes into childrens hearts , why cant you wait untill people are adults before pushing your religion on them ?

im not wrong son. just because i dont align with you does not make me wrong.

your making yourself look childish. im not saying the bible aint a bunch of bullshit used to comntrol people. what i am saying is your arguing with hardheaded fucking people that dont really give a fuck about your logic. if they trully believed in logic, im sure theyd be on our side of the wall and not theres.

seeing now your being fucking stupid cause i dont fucking believe in god kid. READ THE FUCKING THREAD

yeah sorry didnt mean to quote you , but anyway some things do need getting rid of , hitler had a point of veiw but we as a human decided collectivly that his idea was bad and evil so we got rid of it . im not saying we should get rid of everything a certain person dosent like , but as a collective us humans should see religion is hatefull , evil and totally wrong and we should forget about it .

anyway im goin bed now .....................thans for the debate .

horrible debator. perhaps hes a masterbaitor. i no i am!

ThE sAtIvA hIgH said:

yeah im better at debating than all those guys , im asking in my own thread .no one can can cum up wid anything to make me believe in there certain god

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It seems you are an atheist that can't really explain why. When you say religion has no logic or reason and is backed up by myths it is simply an accusation without substance. As you see, when you really can't defend your accusations the religious will tear you apart. God can not be disproven, and no reasonable person would attempt to. As an atheist, you are simply responding to the question of 'is there reason to believe in a deity'. When you go on to claim that you can prove god doesn't exist, you are outside the realm of atheism and enter into anti-theism, which is just as unreasonable as theism. This is not helped by your abusive language and self-righteous tone. I think most of your conclusions are right, but your methods and articulation leave your opinions with little merit and do nothing to create doubt.


If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people - Dr. House

agreed. totally, agree.

Heisenberg said:

It seems you are an atheist that can't really explain why. When you say religion has no logic or reason and is backed up by myths it is simply an accusation without substance. As you see, when you really can't defend your accusations the religious will tear you apart. God can not be disproven, and no reasonable person would attempt to. As an atheist, you are simply responding to the question of 'is there reason to believe in a deity'. When you go on to claim that you can prove god doesn't exist, you are outside the realm of atheism and enter into anti-theism, which is just as unreasonable as theism. This is not helped by your abusive language and self-righteous tone. I think most of your conclusions are right, but your methods and articulation leave your opinions with little merit and do nothing to create doubt.

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what nonsense ........................god cant be disproven , yet neither can the three headed monster i keep in my basement ...so my three headed monster has the exact same credibility as the god they are arguing for ........what more can i say ? ,,,,,,,,,,,,everything else in life can be proven yet when it comes to god you have to have faith lol

I'm still waiting on a reply? U. Want to debate

i think his post was meant to say your comming about this the wrong way. your tone and the way you articulate yourself is coming off somewhat abrasive and its hard to find credibilty in someone who seems to be ranting angrily.

ThE sAtIvA hIgH said:

what nonsense ........................god cant be disproven , yet neither can the three headed monster i keep in my basement ...so my three headed monster has the exact same credibility as the god they are arguing for ........what more can i say ? ,,,,,,,,,,,,everything else in life can be proven yet when it comes to god you have to have faith lol

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The burden of proof falls to the person making the claim. Saying that there is no proof of god is not the same as saying god does not exist. The point you are borrowing from Sagan is that we do not automatically believe claims without evidence. Explain how this translates into, there is no god? A reasonable skeptic, which most atheists are, simply says there is no evidence based reason to believe in god therefore I do not believe, but show me sufficient evidence and I will. Just as with all scientific conclusions, it comes with error bars and the understanding that new evidence can change things. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Is it likely that we will ever see evidence of god? Probably not, but no reasonable person can say it's impossible.

As I said, I think a lot of your conclusions are correct, but there are many holes in your presentation and the religious will eat them up.