Lets debunk AN and other companies products with FACTS.

I would like to be among those that exposes AN and other nutrient companies to the pure BS marketing ploys so people can save their money on more important things , like a better growing environment. Please post hidden or not so hidden little ploys these marketing A-holes pull on us tokers to get your hard earned money. Please hold off on the hate rants, there are one or two somewhere in this forum. Post counter-points to their claims. What would be great are valid links to research papers written by botanical and/or chemical professionals (other than the great gurus of Advanced or Canna) AN lovers, post your support too but please not the "My shit grows great" claims. Use science to support your claims. Like this:

Rhino Skin: Why after years do they come out with this stuff? Because it's getting popular as a soilless additive. But hey, they state they have a special blend and "discovered" a super-duper potassium silicate and mixing ratio that they can only provide. Now look at the AMOUNT of silicate, next to nothing. Fractions of say Pro-tekt or S.I. and with the "PH-Perfect" logo on it so as to be compatible with the other PH-Perfect products. With those amounts, no wonder its ph-perfect: It's almost water!! .015% Silicon Dioxide. .4% Potassium Silicate Pro-Tekt has 3% K2O and 7.8% Silicon. Not even worth the cost comparison.

Click for the link. now tell me this isn't bullshit.

Got to agree

Listen to P.T. Barnum,

"there's a Sucker born every minute".

dont be the sucker do your homework, sometimes it's just a sales ploy.

for me it helps to trust my source for food.

i got advanced nutrients jungle juice grow bloom for flowering what would u say about that i still dont know much about it i was using canna a n b and im still using for the booster green fuse bloom aswell

There is a reason Advanced Nutrients isn't allowed at the Maximum Yield Trade Shows....get Canna get happy! Go look up your nutrients heavy metal analysis Canna is way cleaner and healthier for you than Advanced.

AN = Advanced Newbie cash depletion corporation......buy this level and grow. Now buy how many more to be "best"? At what? Being poorer?
Hesi
Canna
Dyna Gro

In no particular order.

GrowersWarehouse said:

There is a reason Advanced Nutrients isn't allowed at the Maximum Yield Trade Shows....get Canna get happy! Go look up your nutrients heavy metal analysis Canna is way cleaner and healthier for you than Advanced.

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Well show the links to that fact. Let's prove it.

So i should have just stuck with Canna in the first place then i always wonderd why advanced nutrients have so many large ranges with colourfull labels lol

I, too would like to see facts. Im not an advanced nutrients follower but i was attacked for posting a thread "does anybody have experience with final phase". But people showed up saying they never used it but it dont work, that struck me as weird. Hey BROBIE, you seem smart. Why was i attacked cause of this, do you know? One in particular " Homebrewer" said he never used it but its a waste of money. No facts just talking shit. So i expect him here soon with some hard cold facts..................

Its to keep it coco safe the rhino skin, with potassium being a problem in coco.

Lets debunk the nutrient myth, buying bottled nutrients is a waste of money and buying Dynagro makes you no smarter or no more of a gardener than the guy buying AN, you are both buying water with a few cents of raw material added. I use bottled nutrients because they are convenient, most all of them work great, and the actual cost of nutrients to produce a pound with AN vs Dynagro is not much in the big scheme of things. The simple truth is that there is plenty of info out there on buying raw materials and making your own nutes that provide the plant everything it needs for a fraction of the price of even Jacks classic. Most of the AN haters im sure have a vested interest in another company, why else spend so much time talkin shit about them? And if you were looking to pimp your nute line what better place than a AN thread cuz everyones gonna see it.

Still no "homebrewer"??? I invited him over here to share his facts with us but another no show. I guess hes too busy in my thread talking bullshit...........

mk503 said:

Still no "homebrewer"??? I invited him over here to share his facts with us but another no show. I guess hes too busy in my thread talking bullshit...........

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Yea, but homebrewer knows his shit. Im not following where u want this to go. Haven't u seen his buds?

Im not saying he dont grow good bud. But sorry so does a ton of people. I just want an apology cause hes acting like he knows me and thats not cool. I simply asked him to leave my thread and wont. I asked him if flushing agents dont work than why use 2 different bottles if the first didnt work, makes no sense. He wont answer but sure wants to talk shit with no facts behind it. Sorry but he gets no respect from until he apologizes to me..........

mk503 said:

I, too would like to see facts. Im not an advanced nutrients follower but i was attacked for posting a thread "does anybody have experience with final phase". But people showed up saying they never used it but it dont work, that struck me as weird. Hey BROBIE, you seem smart. Why was i attacked cause of this, do you know? One in particular " Homebrewer" said he never used it but its a waste of money. No facts just talking shit. So i expect him here soon with some hard cold facts..................

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Well MK503 I too posted on your thread too but kept it civil like I hope this thread stays:

BROBIE said:

I can not see what flushing actually does to a plant or its root zone that would translate into a better 'taste'. Like HomeB said, if the goal is to leach salts, water is the way to go. Maybe the Final Phase, with its Chelated magnesium and Sulphur? I think not. Did advance discover a new amazing reverse-chelating agent? It's all bunk sir IMO. And for the record, I have tried Clearex and FloraKleen and noted no difference. What one should do is merely decrease the PPM's of your feeding close to harvest or just feed ph'ed water only.

If you read the Advanced narrative on Final Phase you will note they really just contradict themselves and finally mention their "proprietary" mix, as usual. Whatever the product is that bucks common chemical or botanical sense they will say "proprietary formula" . Buyer beware.

Advanced take on Final Phase

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Yeah, thanks for not trying attack me simply cause i have an opinion. Its strikes me as odd that i got so many quick replies but not so many here . Actually none but yours. Maybe there will be more soon..........

mk503 said:

Yeah, thanks for not trying attack me simply cause i have an opinion. Its strikes me as odd that i got so many quick replies but not so many here . Actually none but yours. Maybe there will be more soon..........

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I gave pretty excellent advice and never attacked you once. The plant needs certain things to thrive, those things are readily available and easy to mix in the raw form, there is a ton of info on how to mix them and if you judge the value if nutrients by brand name then your an idiot. The number 1 ingredient in AN and Dynagro is water, what more nutrient debunking do we need to do? They all work, they are all overpriced, you can make your own for cheaper, thats the truth about nutes

I appreciate the advice. Im intetested in this now. My next grows, i will definitely be looking to mix my own. I have alot of jamaican bat guano and worm castings lying around from my organic grows, last year. Any suggestions???

This thread is completely thrashed, so much for RIU. Spock, beam me up....................

BROBIE said:

This thread is completely thrashed, so much for RIU. Spock, beam me up....................

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Yeah cause nobody has facts to debunk advanced nutrients.....that seems obvious.

I have used several nute lines, including AN, what more facts do you need ? Pretty sure I debunked most all the myths n my 1 post, what more do u need? U want me to tell you AN's magnessium sulfate is of better than mine or what?