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Discussion in 'Grow Journals' started by im4satori, Mar 27, 2017.

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    im4satori

    im4satori Well-Known Member

    I know you weren't calling me names my friend

    that was me expressing my personal feelings on my own ignorance

    id like one day to call myself an expert gardener (hobbiest)
    imho ....cant say that if you cant grow organic
     
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    im4satori

    im4satori Well-Known Member

    preparing new soil
    1 cubic ft
    2.5 gallons peat
    2.5 gallons humus (compost/EWC)
    2.5 gallons aeration (perlite)
    1 cup lime (oyster shell/dolomite) equal portion combined
    4 cups mineral (basalt &/or granite rock dust)

    2 cups kelp meal 1-0-2

    amendment mix 2 cups total
    1 part alfalfa 3-1-2
    1 part crab meal 2-3-0
    1/2 part neem cake
    1/2 part fish meal 9-0-0

    cook for 4+ weeks


    full re amending soil
    1 cubic ft soil
    2.5 gallons humus (compost/EWC)
    1.5 gallons aeration
    2 oz gypsom
    1 cup mineral(basalt &/or granite rock dust)

    amendment mix 1 cup total
    1 part alfalfa
    1 part crab meal
    2 part kelp meal
    1/2 part fish meal

    cook for 4+ weeks

    amend as you go/partial re-amendment
    (to achieve 2 consecutive grows without cooking)
    top dress every 2 to 4 weeks
    2 cups earth worm castings
    1 oz amendment mix (same as above)
    1 tbs gypsom if/as needed



    tea
    primarily Bacterial brew cut 50/50


    1 cup combined Earth Worm Castings and steer manure
    1/4 cup Unsulfured Black Strap Molasses
    1/2 cup alfalfa meal (optional)



    primarily fungal brew cut 50/50
    1 cup combined EWC and or steer manure aged with
    3 tbs oats 3 days on 80 degree heat mat

    2 oz hydrolized fish
    2 tbs cup kelp meal
    1tsp molasses



    Veg feed Brew cut 50/50
    1 cup Earth Worm Castings or steer manure
    1/4 cup combined high N Mexican Bat Guano and or sea bird guano(optional)
    1/2 cup Alfalfa meal (optional)
    2tbs kelp meal (optional)
    3TBS fish emulsion (optional)
    1/4 cup Unsulfured Black Strap Molasses




    Bloom feed Brew cut 50/50
    1 cup combined Earth Worm Castings or steer manure
    1/4 cup combined high P Jamaican or indonesian Bat Guano and or high N Peruvian Seabird Guano (optional)
    1/2 cup Alfalfa meal (optional)
    2tbs cup kelp meal (optional)
    1/4 cup Unsulfured Black Strap Molasses

    Mix in 5 gallons of water with air stone for 18-24 hours.
    For foliar feed application spray finished brew every 3-4 days in the first 6 hours of light.
     
    Last edited: Apr 20, 2017
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    im4satori

    im4satori Well-Known Member

    hows the tea look

    on the guano I can blend the different guano npk to what ever my needs are

    does the kelp meal sound low???
    I also have dried kelp 0-0-10 and fulvic acid and aminos available but im not sure how to use them in a tea
    plus theyre so potent id be afraid to over do it
     
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    calliandra

    calliandra Well-Known Member

    I didn't see what volume of water you plan to put this in?

    Going by the amount of compost you've listed there (1 cup) -- I've been using 1 tablespoon of molasses to 1 cup EWC to brew 4L (~1 gallon) to get this kind of microlife
    2017-04-14_act-59hrs (39).jpg dig the strand of beneficial fungus there ;)

    The point being, way too much food in there! You're going to get microbial overdrive, they'll use up all the oxygen and it'll turn into an anaerobic soup that way.

    http://www.microbeorganics.com/#Compost_Tea_Recipes
    Tim Wilson has relative (percentage) values for the proper amount of food, ewc per water there
     
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    im4satori

    im4satori Well-Known Member

    I might need to go review the link again

    but I believe or at least I planned to brew that in 5 gallons water

    I seen the link you gave I will check it out

    thank you
     
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    calliandra

    calliandra Well-Known Member

    You're welcome!
    There's certainly more than one way to skin a cat, but the basic proportions should be more or less like WIlson's to avoid running into problems AND get a proper high quality microbial tea ;)
     
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    im4satori

    im4satori Well-Known Member

    so I seem to have lost and cant find the web page where I found the original tea brews
    so I cant verify the missing info from the recipes I posted

    but after reviewing the link you provided I feel more confident in the info I do have

    I changed the portions to meet the suggestion is the link

    I adjusted the amounts to mix 4 gallons to be cut 4:1







     
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    im4satori

    im4satori Well-Known Member


    primarily Bacterial brew 18 hours

    to make 4 gallons cut 4:1
    6 cup combined Earth Worm Castings and or steer manure
    8 oz Unsulfured Black Strap Molasses

    optional 1cup combined; alfalfa meal and or bat guanos


    primarily fungal brew 10 hours
    6 cup combined earth worm casting and or steer manure with
    10 oz oats aged 3 days on 80 degree heat mat
    4 oz hydrolized fish
    4tsp dry kelp extract
    1tbs molasses

    optional 1 cup combined; alfalfa and or bat guanos
     
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    im4satori

    im4satori Well-Known Member

    so this is what ive done to simplify things

    the only part that im un-sure of is the quantity of optional amendments of alfalfa, and guano

    im not sure if that's heavy/hot or light... I think its light???

    the mix should yield 16 gallons finished
     
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    714steadyeddie

    714steadyeddie Well-Known Member

    Do you just brew ewc and molasses?
     
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    714steadyeddie

    714steadyeddie Well-Known Member

    It's funny, I'm in ocean forest too and I'm planning on going organic and re using this soil.

    Your giving me great information my friend.
     
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    im4satori

    im4satori Well-Known Member

    for a strictly bacterial tea yes

    plus whatever K and micros the molasses might provide and maybe a small amount of N in the EWC

    but both a miniscule

    or at least that's my interpretation
     
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    im4satori

    im4satori Well-Known Member

    if I had it to do over again

    I would have mixed my own soil

    it would have been less expensive and likely work longer

    although
    I am happy with what my girls are doing
     
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    im4satori

    im4satori Well-Known Member

    so I went to the garden center in the city

    hate the damn traffic, don't care for most cities ive been to
     
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    im4satori

    im4satori Well-Known Member

    50lbs gypsum
    40lbs alfalfa
    50lbs kelp meal$$
    40lbs crab shell
    50lbs oyster shell
    20lbs fish meal $$
    20lbs neem cake

    8 bags compost $8 each
    4 bags EWC $18 each
    cant wait until I get the vermicompost and I don't have to buy this again!

    1 bag Alaskan humus
    5lbs Mexican bat guano 8-1-1
    3lbs Jamaican bat guano 0-10-0
    black strap molasses (unsulfured)
    oat meal flour
    and a couple of these tea bags for brewing

    gotta go back for the 2 bales peat, perlite and vermiculite
    ran out of room in the SUV

    thankfully its the right season to buy all this stuff lol

    I will pick up some powdered dolomite at a local place just so I have it

    gonna get some more 5 gallon buckets to put all this in.... hopefully the big bags itll last me a life time lol

    the gypsum is super cheap
    the oyster shell and alfalfa wasn't bad

    the kelp and the fish meal are expensive as fuck

    fish meal 50lbs was almost $120...I got the 20lb for $60
    kelp I think was about $80?
     
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    im4satori

    im4satori Well-Known Member

    so ive got to get about 200 gallons of soil cooking for my next run

    then I will re-amand the fox farm soil and let it cook while the DIY soil is in use
     
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    im4satori

    im4satori Well-Known Member

    I just topped dressed 2 cups EWC and 2 oz alfalfa meal tonight


    so back to my tea
    id like to brew in some food

    the fox farm is running out of food and I don't want to use salt fertilizer if I can help it... I don't know that the alfalfa works fast enough ??? how soon does it release?

    so im thinking about doing a light tea

    with the Mexican Indonesian guano at a rate of 2:1 Mexican:indonesion

    that' should give me a good amount of N and some P
    I just need to get the safe amounts squared away in the tea

    1cup, by the time I cut it 4:1 that's only a half ounce per gallon of guano,,that sounds light
    maybe it should be more like 2 cups total???




    primarily Bacterial brew 18 hours

    to make 4 gallons cut 4:1
    6 cup combined Earth Worm Castings and or steer manure
    8 oz Unsulfured Black Strap Molasses

    optional 1cup combined; alfalfa meal and or bat guanos


    primarily fungal brew 10 hours
    6 cup combined earth worm casting and or steer manure with
    10 oz oats aged 3 days on 80 degree heat mat
    4 oz hydrolized fish
    4tsp dry kelp extract
    1tbs molasses

    optional 1 cup combined; alfalfa and or bat guanos
     
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    tpc_mikey

    tpc_mikey Well-Known Member

    Brother you are sure taking this to the next level, lol. I actually will start reusing my FFOF/Happy Frog mix as well will simply contionually recondition it and let it cook during grows the male i cut down that vegged 60 days got that soil already re amended and cooking in the garage so it will be ready in a few months for the next grow. Post some updated photos of the kids.
     
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    calliandra

    calliandra Well-Known Member

    Yep. I do want to try out some other foodstocks along the line, for finetuning and perfecting, but the simple does its job just fine too :blsmoke:
     
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    im4satori

    im4satori Well-Known Member

    what are your thoughts on.....

    a separate tea specific to fungi
    and
    a separate tea specific to BB
    watered in 3 days apart

    vs

    a tea with a balance of both
     
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