whazzup
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Yes, I read that you experienced that. Was t an unfiltered lamp, I mean no glass shield? I've grown plants almost into the lamp without many problems.
Let's just talk about BULBS!
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Rrog
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Light mover is the key. Spread it out. There are several threads Where guys are growing great stuff, but with HPS. One fellow, Mr. Bongjangles, ran the -01 emitter and 2-3 kessils. I'm wondering about the -02 emitter and two kessils.
Kite High
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Rrog please do not misunderstand...I am very interested in this tech and see it as great. But cn is a very educated and intelligent guy who I respect so his words carry weight with me. Also I have dumped alot of finances into what I have and it performs amazingly well so I have the golden opportunity to let it develop further and costs to stabilize before I even would look to upgrade. That being said I look forward to seeing what you will do with it and have better knowledge of its performance. If I were in your shoes looking to again build the ultimate climate room for my purposes then I would probably pursue its implementation. I was also thinking cmh and this plasma unit would be an even better combo than hps/plasma. But I also see 4 kessils and plasma on movers would be the tits.
Rrog
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It's all good, bro. You've opened my eyes. I'm quite grateful.
I have some time before I buy to continue looking at what's out there. I wonder if there's a way to take the spectrums from the various light sources and sort of superimpose them, adjusting for the fact that you have 2-3 LEDs.
I'm intrigued by the CMH combo you pondered...
I have some time before I buy to continue looking at what's out there. I wonder if there's a way to take the spectrums from the various light sources and sort of superimpose them, adjusting for the fact that you have 2-3 LEDs.
I'm intrigued by the CMH combo you pondered...
Rrog
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Gavita says the Plasma needs to be used along side HPS. So that rules it out due to heat. The more I look at this, the real way to view this is the Plasma is a supplementation. Not a primary light source which is disappointing.
I'm trying to help a friend set up a closet and was hoping for a cool primary light source. Obviously they don't exist yet.
I'm trying to help a friend set up a closet and was hoping for a cool primary light source. Obviously they don't exist yet.
whazzup
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Of course they exist, they are just a bit less efficient than hps 
When you have a climate limitation, I think an air cooled reflector is good thinking. Less light per fixture, yes, but also a lot less cooling capacity needed, and temperatures are already high so you don't need a lot of extra heat radiation. A compact air cooled reflector you can combine with plasma, specifically in a bigger room where you have a bit of distance to the plants. Mixing light in a small room is always difficult, but can be done to a certain degree.
I never said plasma was for blooming as is and I also never said it was more efficient than HPS in this whole discussion if you can remember. But I tell you mothers and young plants love it and it's a great veg lamp stand-alone. In flowering in combination with HPS we have seen quality increase as one of the constant factors. That is something you will see come back in many of the grow reports of your peers.
The Philips 942 daylight Master CDM elite is a very nice 315W lamp, ideal for small rooms. The US Agro version of it is more efficient than a Hortilux HPS. I can imagine you can even air cool these, or have 2 in a 600W air cooled reflector. They require a special lamp socket and a suitable ballast of course, but that's what I would try to do. Wonderful lamps. Most important: Get the appropriate deep reflector for it. You don't want to lose a lot to your walls. Then if you want to experiment after a few grows to standardize your room : Add red and/or far red LEDs to see if you can optimize photosynthesis and morphogenesis, because your plants will stay shorter which can be a real disadvantage for strong indica influenced varieties. Far red can help you influence the R/Fr balance which influences (and induces) stretching of the crop. Vegetative growth under (partly) plasma for example can optimize that too.
So I think there are a lot of choices for small and big rooms in a warm or hot climate.
When you have a climate limitation, I think an air cooled reflector is good thinking. Less light per fixture, yes, but also a lot less cooling capacity needed, and temperatures are already high so you don't need a lot of extra heat radiation. A compact air cooled reflector you can combine with plasma, specifically in a bigger room where you have a bit of distance to the plants. Mixing light in a small room is always difficult, but can be done to a certain degree.
I never said plasma was for blooming as is and I also never said it was more efficient than HPS in this whole discussion if you can remember
. But I tell you mothers and young plants love it and it's a great veg lamp stand-alone. In flowering in combination with HPS we have seen quality increase as one of the constant factors. That is something you will see come back in many of the grow reports of your peers. The Philips 942 daylight Master CDM elite is a very nice 315W lamp, ideal for small rooms. The US Agro version of it is more efficient than a Hortilux HPS. I can imagine you can even air cool these, or have 2 in a 600W air cooled reflector. They require a special lamp socket and a suitable ballast of course, but that's what I would try to do. Wonderful lamps. Most important: Get the appropriate deep reflector for it. You don't want to lose a lot to your walls. Then if you want to experiment after a few grows to standardize your room : Add red and/or far red LEDs to see if you can optimize photosynthesis and morphogenesis, because your plants will stay shorter which can be a real disadvantage for strong indica influenced varieties. Far red can help you influence the R/Fr balance which influences (and induces) stretching of the crop. Vegetative growth under (partly) plasma for example can optimize that too.
So I think there are a lot of choices for small and big rooms in a warm or hot climate.
Kite High
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I love you man...for realOf course they exist, they are just a bit less efficient than hps
When you have a climate limitation, I think an air cooled reflector is good thinking. Less light per fixture, yes, but also a lot less cooling capacity needed, and temperatures are already high so you don't need a lot of extra heat radiation. A compact air cooled reflector you can combine with plasma, specifically in a bigger room where you have a bit of distance to the plants. Mixing light in a small room is always difficult, but can be done to a certain degree.
I never said plasma was for blooming as is and I also never said it was more efficient than HPS in this whole discussion if you can remember
The Philips 942 daylight Master CDM elite is a very nice 315W lamp, ideal for small rooms. The US Agro version of it is more efficient than a Hortilux HPS. I can imagine you can even air cool these, or have 2 in a 600W air cooled reflector. They require a special lamp socket and a suitable ballast of course, but that's what I would try to do. Wonderful lamps. Most important: Get the appropriate deep reflector for it. You don't want to lose a lot to your walls. Then if you want to experiment after a few grows to standardize your room : Add red and/or far red LEDs to see if you can optimize photosynthesis and morphogenesis, because your plants will stay shorter which can be a real disadvantage for strong indica influenced varieties. Far red can help you influence the R/Fr balance which influences (and induces) stretching of the crop. Vegetative growth under (partly) plasma for example can optimize that too.
So I think there are a lot of choices for small and big rooms in a warm or hot climate.
You shoot straight with facts have volumes of knowledge and never condescending...and best of all you dont pimp your products...if another has a better unit for the application you suggest it as well...really rare thesae days...thank you man
medical/420
Active Member
The Hps worked so good, i boght a 400 watt Eye hortilux Metal halide bulb, and it is Frecking bright, and the plants love it, it is crazy, with in 1 day the plants looked amazing, they started kicking ass. I will never use a chepo bulb again (p.s. i am poor, i dont have abunch of money,,,, but it is worth buying good bulbs
bomb hills
Well-Known Member
I have been running digilux too with great results
canned abyss
Member
What he said.
stumpjumper
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Yep, my cheap china bulb on its 4th grow did just as good as the brand new Ushio next to it...
zack66
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Anyone had any luck with the Sunpulse? Last run I used the 3k for my 600 watt. At the time I thought it was the shit but, now i'm not so sure. Sunpulse says you need to run their 10k for the last couple weeks of flower. I don't feel like dishing out another 140 bucks for optimal results. Needless to say, this run i'm doing the plantmax hps. Only 3 weeks flowering so some time left to see if there's a difference. Anyone have any input on them?
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
It's the Stray Light unit ... the capsule is behind a very fine metal mesh (I'm guessing to contain stray microwaves, so to speak) and then a plate glass shield. Even at a 2+-foot offset I burnt my leaves. I inspected my plants just now and can still spot damaged leaves. cn
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Thank you, but that doesn't excuse me from noob mistakes. I could be making one or more of those. cn
Grow Goddess
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When there's a will there's a way.
Here is two 1000 watters I have in one of my closets. Temperature has not been a problem. I have been running this closet since 2009. The glass has been removed from the hoods and there is suction from both ends of the hood for more efficient cooling. The closet is approximately 4' x 8'. You can't see all of the equipment in this picture. There is an additional 8' air exchange fan that is used to keep the temperatures balanced inside and outside of the closet.
