Liberals want to move up pot legalization to avoid Canada Day celebrations

TwistedToker

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https://ca.news.yahoo.com/liberals-want-move-pot-legalization-090000329.html

With long-awaited marijuana legislation set to be announced next week, the federal government is having second thoughts about legalizing cannabis on Canada Day.

The Trudeau government still plans to go ahead with its plan to make weed legal for recreational use. But a senior government source says the initial target of July 1, 2018 as the implementation date will be changed to "on or before July 1, 2018."

The change reflects some internal concerns over legalizing a recreational drug on the country's birthday. Bill Blair, the Liberal government's point man on pot, told the Canadian Press he wanted the focus of Canada Day to be Canada — not cannabis.

"I'm probably out on a limb on this one but ... I don't believe July 1 should be an implementation date for anything; it is a day of celebration for the anniversary and founding of our country," Blair told CP.

"I don't think that's an appropriate date. That's my opinion."

By next summer

But what isn't changing is the federal government's desire to fully deliver on its marijuana legalization promise by next summer — despite suggestions that the timeline may be too ambitious.

The federal government believes its timeline to have a nation-wide system for the distribution and sale of marijuana is achievable — even though much of the heavy lifting will have to be done by the provinces.

"We campaigned on this," said the senior government official. "We told them it was going to happen."

It appears that Ottawa is counting on the potential profits from marijuana sales to speed things along at the provincial level. Colorado legalized marijuana in 2014 and, with a population smaller than Quebec and Ontario, that state is doing more than $1 billion US in legal sales a year.

The hope is that at least a few of the provinces will move quickly to finalize their system for retail sales and that will have a pace-car effect for the slower moving jurisdictions.

Bill details coming next week

The marijuana legislation is set to be unveiled next week. But CBC News reported many of the details last month. It will broadly follow the recommendation of a federally appointed task force that was chaired by former liberal Justice Minister Anne McLellan.

The federal government will be in charge of making sure the country's marijuana supply is safe and secure and Ottawa will license producers.

But the provinces will have the right to decide how the marijuana is distributed and sold. Provincial governments will also have the right to set the price.

While Ottawa will set a minimum age of 18 to buy marijuana, the provinces will have the option of setting a higher age limit if they wish.

As for Canadians who want to grow their own marijuana, they will be limited to four plants per household.

Legalizing marijuana was one of the more controversial promises Prime Minister Justin Trudeau made as he campaigned to become prime minister.

In their platform the Liberals said it was necessary to "legalize, regulate and restrict access to marijuana" in order to keep drugs "out of the hands of children, and the profits out of the hands of criminals."

The Liberals had promised to introduce legislation by the Spring of 2017. Announcing the legislation next week will allow the party to hit that deadline.
 

BobCajun

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It's called Cannabis Day by the pot heads. Everybody gathers on the lawn of the House of Parliament and lights up. That may be part of the reason for the revision.
 

TheRealDman

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It doesn't matter what day Rec MJ becomes law....legalization will be tied up in the courts for years, perhaps decades. Fuk, it's been 100+ years and the provinces still can't figure out how to distribute alcohol across provincial lines. What makes you think they'll figure out Cannabis in 1 year?!?!

If the Feds "broadly" adhere to the taskforce reccy's as leaked by the CBC...then there will be litigation out the wazoo!
 

TwistedToker

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Yeah...that's gotta be it, Bob. Changing the date will ensure us dirty pot heads never insult that sacred day. Never again will the phrase "Cannabis Day" be uttered by anyone. Oh wait... it's referred to as cannabis day now by the culture, and I've used the term since the 1970's, so I guess the date of legalization really isn't going to change anything.
I know....maybe they're just changing the date to avoid taking the focus off o Canada's birthday celebrations for the non-toking Canadians. Nah, that's just crazy.
 

BobCajun

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Next week they'll be publishing the actual proposed legislation. THEN we'll see how reasonable it really is. I bet 5 joints that the penalties for competing with the licensees will be drastically increased.
 

gb123

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Next week they'll be publishing the actual proposed legislation. THEN we'll see how reasonable it really is. I bet 5 joints that the penalties for competing with the licensees will be drastically increased.
Thanks Bobby,, A pipe dream if Ive ever heard one! (:

those kind of proposals WILL NOT WORK and or WILL ANYBODY ADHERE TO THEM (:

LET EM TRY WHAT EVER THEY WISH.. bongsmilie:bigjoint:
the court case shall prove each point where legislation is WRONG

THE PEOPLES COURTS have already approved the peoples plant!!! :wink:

TRy as they will They have lost before they have even started !! (:
 

TwistedToker

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Next week they'll be publishing the actual proposed legislation. THEN we'll see how reasonable it really is. I bet 5 joints that the penalties for competing with the licensees will be drastically increased.
Really Bob? We were told that when legalization was first mentioned, that's what happens when prohibition ends. Just like moonshiners, all good things come to an end. If you are making a living growing and selling on the BM, you have a choice to make. Keep doing what you are doing and risk arrest and possibly stiffer penalties, follow the regulations and go legit or go out and find a job in a different line of work. I'm most interested in what the legislation says about 'ma and pa' growers and what challenges they face to go legit. I would like to see the talent from the black market transferred to the legal market.
 

gb123

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BM is not going anywhere...
its all part of business 101
our feds just play both sides now LEGALLY is all...
we will shut their playing field down once and for all..
soon come..

they have lost and they know it and are trying to grasp what little they can before it goes right through the roof..

truth is...its already there, its just that most cant see it because the shwag pile is way to high lamaorotff.
 

BobCajun

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Really Bob? We were told that when legalization was first mentioned, that's what happens when prohibition ends. Just like moonshiners, all good things come to an end. If you are making a living growing and selling on the BM, you have a choice to make. Keep doing what you are doing and risk arrest and possibly stiffer penalties, follow the regulations and go legit or go out and find a job in a different line of work. I'm most interested in what the legislation says about 'ma and pa' growers and what challenges they face to go legit. I would like to see the talent from the black market transferred to the legal market.
Well, if hypothetically I was a BM producer I already would be threatened with years in prison as the laws already are. Do you seriously think I would be scared off by the threat of a few more years? And do you seriously think the average producer is rolling in money to the point where they could afford to comply with the legal producing requirements? And even if they did have a few million laying around, somebody might say hey, where'd you get all that money? Did you pay tax on that? No, BM producers will keep on doing what they're doing.

And I'm pretty sure that it would be easy enough to undercut product which costed a few million to produce. Pretty unlikely they'd be selling for $2 a gram. You can already get a lb for less than $4 a gram. They won't even be allowed to sell a lb at a time. Since it will still be illegal to possess more than 30 g, obviously that's the most a store could sell to anybody at one time. They'd have to go to 16 different stores AND they'd be paying oz prices for it so why even bother? Who the hell will be willing to pay oz prices if they're a heavy regular user? They'd want at least a QP to get the price down.
 

TwistedToker

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BM is not going anywhere...
Agreed...but the potential cost of doing business (i.e.more jail, bigger fines) will deter many. The government can't stop the bm, they can just make it less attractive. The best-case would be to encourage bm growers to go legit and provide a quality product unlike what is coming out of the LP's. There will be a major supply shortage and a huge opportunity for 'craft growers'. Provincial governments could offer low interest loans to facilitate the growth of a new legal industry. There are options. I think most growers have gotten used to no rules / no taxes lifestyle so becoming 'business people' is a scary prospect for them. Nobody likes change. Personally I think 4 plants per person is a good start for rec use...not ideal, but lot's better than NO plants, imo. If you want to earn a living at it you'll have to follow the rules and pay the taxman...just like the kid working at 7-11.
 

BobCajun

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Might as well get a loan and open a fucking Tim Hortons if you were gonna go legit. Be a lot cheaper and would probably make more money and faster. No security guards to hire, no university grad chemists to hire for quality control, just crank out those donuts. No BM donut producers to compete with either.
 
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TwistedToker

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Well, if hypothetically I was a BM producer I already would be threatened with years in prison as the laws already are. Do you seriously think I would be scared off by the threat of a few more years?
You're the one who brought it up...even wagered a bet.
Might as well get a loan and open a fucking Tim Hortons if you were gonna go legit. Be a lot cheaper and would probably make more money and faster.
Sure. Or a bookstore, smoke shop or candy store. All business ventures require an investment of money to open. If you would rather a Timmie's, go for it. Not everyone has the money, investors or business skills to be successful in the cannabis industry just like not everybody has what's required to open a coffee shop.
 

BobCajun

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You're the one who brought it up...even wagered a bet.

Sure. Or a bookstore, smoke shop or candy store. All business ventures require an investment of money to open. If you would rather a Timmie's, go for it. Not everyone has the money, investors or business skills to be successful in the cannabis industry just like not everybody has what's required to open a coffee shop.
You seem to think there's an unlimited market for weed. It's hard enough to sell right now (I've heard, not by me of course). The market is already flooded. I don't know where you live that you think there's a big unfilled demand, maybe you live on Sable Island. It's barely even worth getting into now, when your only costs are equipment, seeds, building and power. Who the hell would be dumb enough to think it would be worth putting millions into? It ain't no magic golden goose.
 
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BobCajun

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Why do you think all those illegal dispensaries have been opening up? Not to help those in need. It's because that's the only way to unload the shit now. Gotta be more brazen about it and sell to complete strangers walking in off the street.

All you people thinking you're gonna go through all that hoop jumping and then be showered with money are straight up suckers. However, the Govt will still get their tax money with no investment or effort put into it at all. They're laughing all the way to the pig swill trough.
 
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BobCajun

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Something else I just thought of, if it's only legal to possess up to 30 g, and you can grow 4 plants, how the fuck ya only ever gonna have 30 grams at any one time? It's ridiculous. Now maybe they'll say that's only if you're outside your home. So does that mean you can grow a lb and keep that in your house? Probably not, because then you could easily sell that lb without anybody knowing. So you will have to harvest one branch at a time. How ya gonna hold the rest of the plant back? You would have no realistic choice but to grow little 30 g plants staggered by about a month each, so that only one ever ripens up per month. WTF good it that?
 

TwistedToker

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You seem to think there's an unlimited market for weed. It's hard enough to sell right now (I've heard, not by me of course).
Good CYA edit. It's clear what your stake in this is, not that I care, but let's not pretend.
Probably not, because then you could easily sell that lb without anybody knowing.
So how you gonna do that when there's no market?
You reply to your own posts and contradict yourself.
 

BobCajun

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Good CYA edit. It's clear what your stake in this is, not that I care, but let's not pretend.

So how you gonna do that when there's no market?
You reply to your own posts and contradict yourself.
Valid point. But maybe they could get sale here and there. But how are YOU going to sell anything when Canopy is already huge and plans on getting bigger? It would be like Joe's Operating System trying to compete with Microsoft.

In US legal states they limit the number of producers to that required to supply the particular area. In Canada, Canopy can sell to anyone in Canada, all of them can. You'd be competing with them no matter where you live in Canada.
 
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gb123

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simple shit Bob
Canopy grows SHWAG POISON and NO ONE IS BUYING IT ,,,,,,not ever
Not Now Not Later
Its easy to see for some
eh (:

truth is
ONLY GOOD PRODUCT SELLS
bongsmilie

ahhhh goood times !
 
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