liberty haze 65 days flowering under 130w led

tokalotapot

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OK, I'll bite... your signature mentions you're finishing in 31 and 36 days with your 'amazing set up'...

Tell me more... what finishes in 31 days?
this is it only this and mango kush did in 31 36 and 38 pending on harvest and it is normally a 50-57 day plant i find i drop a good 10 days -14 days per harvest which i know is useful and extra full grow a year maybe two overall
 

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tokalotapot

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HAZE = Sativa = longer flowering times up to 16-18 weeks..:roll:



STFW????

I hate to say this dude.....But you are so full of BS that I just had to reply.....
You got SOO much wrong in that posting it's funny!

It's 730nm and you need to be effective - 10-20watt single unit diodes....Also it's "photochrome trigger" NOT "photosynthetic". You run them for 10 -15 min total and once at 1 hr to lights out (around your 3min, HID lighting still on) and again for 10-12 min starting 2 min before lights out and remain on after lights out for 10min....The rest of your explanation is so full of incorrect info (BS) I'm not even going to go farther!
How do I know your full of it? I did these experiments with the PROPER LED diodes a cpl of years back.....:fire:

Doc:P
 

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tangerinegreen555

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When I see 25 other people doing it, I'll look into it... Not that I'd do it anyway. But I'd read about it just to see what they're into.
 

tokalotapot

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HAZE = Sativa = longer flowering times up to 16-18 weeks..:roll:



STFW????

I hate to say this dude.....But you are so full of BS that I just had to reply.....
You got SOO much wrong in that posting it's funny!

It's 730nm and you need to be effective - 10-20watt single unit diodes....Also it's "photochrome trigger" NOT "photosynthetic". You run them for 10 -15 min total and once at 1 hr to lights out (around your 3min, HID lighting still on) and again for 10-12 min starting 2 min before lights out and remain on after lights out for 10min....The rest of your explanation is so full of incorrect info (BS) I'm not even going to go farther!
How do I know your full of it? I did these experiments with the PROPER LED diodes a cpl of years back.....:fire:

Doc:P
your info in this post is pigheaded you came at me but you dont understand what your saying do you PHOTOCHROME or is it PHYTOCHROME i thought so learn how to be effective in your statements accuracy is a must so i broke it down more than my jibberish here for you because we are human it can be hard to relay information from the brain to words i get it
 

tokalotapot

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smart follow if not sure i always do that learning curve off of someone elses experience i done it many times smart people do it like that im in an undocumented grow about twelve days in but after its done ill have a beginning to end journal of it for ya yo check out its interesting stuff
 

Dr. Who

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g13 haze coss is now a 45 day not quite 8 weeks but 7and 1/2 now same as liberty haze
The best results I got were like shaving 6 days off an advertised 8 week plant that actually runs 9-10 weeks if grown out properly.
Yield increase average around LESS then 10%.
The problem was the added 2 hrs of lights on time was not cost effective to the return for commercial size operations.

The small home hobby grower MAY find it as worth it to him (I still find the cost per return as not viable). The real start up problem being the 730nm diode cost....

I have NEVER, EVER in 41 years of growing this plant, seen a strain that will run less then about 50-55 days to actual full completion.
Therefor, any claim of less then 45 days is basically BS!

I remember the fuss over "Pit Bull" being advertised as less then 45 days (in the 30's) with over 30% total THC......LMFAO - If that was so, Where are the reports in print. Where is the fuss and fame? I mean look at the scramble by growers (mostly novice to intermediate) to jump on the "Ghost Train Haze" band wagon after HT mag listed it as the worlds strongest strain at a bit over 25%.....If there REALLY was a strain (or a way to finish in less then 40 days) that was as fast and strong as Pit bull was said to be. Then we would all be still talking about it and growing it!

My point is that if what your saying actually did it that well - there would be far more doing it.........

:spew:

:sleep:Doc
 
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tokalotapot

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see it shaved time off just like i said but at a different rate as might be combined with my other stuff i do and i completely agree i never seen it before i was honestly jaw dropped because of it(because your supposed to get more yield not shorter flower techincally because it does give you the chance of i know i really sounds like bs but i would like to be one who can and is a reliable source and for pitbull all hype is all i heard from other grower myself.
 

tokalotapot

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The best results I got were like shaving 6 days off an advertised 8 week plant that actually runs 9-10 weeks if grown out properly.
Yield increase average around LESS then 10%.
The problem was the added 2 hrs of lights on time was not cost effective to the return for commercial size operations.

The small home hobby grower MAY find it as worth it to him (I still find the cost per return as not viable). The real start up problem being the 730nm diode cost....

I have NEVER, EVER in 41 years of growing this plant, seen a strain that will run less then about 50-55 days to actual full completion.
Therefor, any claim of less then 45 days is basically BS!

I remember the fuss over "Pit Bull" being advertised as less then 45 days (in the 30's) with over 30% total THC......LMFAO - If that was so, Where are the reports in print. Where is the fuss and fame? I mean look at the scramble by growers (mostly novice to intermediate) to jump on the "Ghost Train Haze" band wagon after HT mag listed it as the worlds strongest strain at a bit over 25%.....If there REALLY was a strain (or a way to finish in less then 40 days) that was as fast and strong as Pit bull was said to be. Then we would all be still talking about it and growing it!

My point is that if what your saying actually did it that well - there would be far more doing it.........

:spew:

:sleep:Doc
NOT QUITE
 

tokalotapot

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the cost of my light to make is only $70 for anyone to make themselves caught hell for giving my personal good experience to people because it is noteworthy and you can call it bs as i know you will probably troll my future journal to try to prove otherwise until i break out my dopescope and pics of a trich right on day 45 for blue then you can get off the white horse and bow would have said high horse but thats a gimmie :)
 

tokalotapot

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if its BS i love BS bring on the BS i will build more lights to double down on the doubled down BS to make more BS you see if you call that BS hashtagILOVEBS because it works for me i love results if BS gives me it so be it but i will still show my journal for the grand daddy of all BS for real i want to just document my stuff without the headaches of grandpas it seems like because someone does something different and i must not work you think i am that fisherman that goes behind you and catches the fish you try all day for and all you can do is look in amazement how impossible must be right i dont see him using a worm and float like i do how does he get them results by dialing in my co2 900-1400ppm with my tank and regulator and meter and my temp is around 78-85 because of co2 i use ebb n grow hydroton as my medium advanced nutrients grand daddy master grow bundles all of em and uvb for the last 3 weeks of flower with impossible results but they are possible maybe from a collective of all i do but it is what i do and i am dialed in better than any commercial grower ever can be because of money i am ahead of batwings and hps or just led boards i mix hps cobs my 740nm and uvb pending on time and week it all does go perfect together
 

tokalotapot

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DR
The best results I got were like shaving 6 days off an advertised 8 week plant that actually runs 9-10 weeks if grown out properly.
Yield increase average around LESS then 10%.
The problem was the added 2 hrs of lights on time was not cost effective to the return for commercial size operations.

The small home hobby grower MAY find it as worth it to him (I still find the cost per return as not viable). The real start up problem being the 730nm diode cost....

I have NEVER, EVER in 41 years of growing this plant, seen a strain that will run less then about 50-55 days to actual full completion.
Therefor, any claim of less then 45 days is basically BS!

I remember the fuss over "Pit Bull" being advertised as less then 45 days (in the 30's) with over 30% total THC......LMFAO - If that was so, Where are the reports in print. Where is the fuss and fame? I mean look at the scramble by growers (mostly novice to intermediate) to jump on the "Ghost Train Haze" band wagon after HT mag listed it as the worlds strongest strain at a bit over 25%.....If there REALLY was a strain (or a way to finish in less then 40 days) that was as fast and strong as Pit bull was said to be. Then we would all be still talking about it and growing it!

My point is that if what your saying actually did it that well - there would be far more doing it.........

:spew:

:sleep:Doc
have a question do you grow dirt weed or hydroweed, not saying dirt weed is bad as the term can suggest just the medium its grown in i love dirt weed and hydro i just like the speed hydro gives me over dirt
 

harris hawk

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no you didnt you must of half assed it by not setting up right, 730 diodes is not perfect with the range and if not then you wont get the effects at all check the diode info on how accurate they are and also check how far the pfr-fr swap for red actually happens not just 730 i like your cute little bad girl pick
Sorry you feel like that - Peace
 

Dr. Who

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@tokalotapot

Thanks for getting civil! Your OK dude...

I did misspell photo and phyto - your point.
Yes I grow soil - water only organics.....

Somewhere on this site I supplied great detail about the needed nm banding of plants and growth factors related to PAR, PR and pfr.
Search for it - use my screen name as a funnel point.
I gave exact tested nm results for the effective bandwidth for far red effect on the change.....IF, I remember correctly,,,,it begins to work at like 724nm and carries over effectively to like 736nm band. The rise to peak effect and the drop off to ineffective is a bell curve type of value.
While your 740nm is having some small-minimal effect. I still ran my test's on the same model as the post grad students -that was with the finding that 730nm band was the optimal range to use....
I wonder if the use of 730's in you use may bring some better results....

Any way, been there, done that.

Doc
 

tokalotapot

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i agree 730 is peak but what is better 720 or 740 instead my range is 730-750 no far off but more effective because the closer to 660 nm the less the results because diodes are 10nm swing not perfect can tell you also have knowledge by the lingo of this but i just have mine also and can openly talk without being so high strung and defensive. when the results happened to me i wasnt trying to sell anything i wanted this info usedthats all. regardless we are so minutely detailed i know we both can grow some dam good crops. just had to get my side out also but peace at the same time
 

tokalotapot

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@tokalotapot

Thanks for getting civil! Your OK dude...

I did misspell photo and phyto - your point.
Yes I grow soil - water only organics.....

Somewhere on this site I supplied great detail about the needed nm banding of plants and growth factors related to PAR, PR and pfr.
Search for it - use my screen name as a funnel point.
I gave exact tested nm results for the effective bandwidth for far red effect on the change.....IF, I remember correctly,,,,it begins to work at like 724nm and carries over effectively to like 736nm band. The rise to peak effect and the drop off to ineffective is a bell curve type of value.
While your 740nm is having some small-minimal effect. I still ran my test's on the same model as the post grad students -that was with the finding that 730nm band was the optimal range to use....
I wonder if the use of 730's in you use may bring some better results....

Any way, been there, done that.

Doc
my bad i was a little agressive i can see know but i was told i had no clue and i know we all grow chronic and i can get defensive on knowledge i just can mix my lingo up a little but lets understand we are both just trying to help a fellow grower and grow on
 
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