Living Organics *Ofiicial Thread*

[Piff83]

I think that Living Organics creates the highest quality of cannabis and should be the main choice for growing the sweet herb. I figured since this is a fairly known style of growing that it deserved it's own thread. So any one who is into TLO, or wants to learn more about it, you have come to the right place.

 

[whodatnation]

Im down

 

[OrganicsRus]

I have recently read The Revs book and am currently awaiting a shipment with the rest of the amendments I need. First time giving it a go, will document in case I need help.

 

[Piff83]

i too read The Rev's book and have started reading it a second time. I recommend also reading the book he recommends called "Teaming with Microbes." It goes into better detail about the structure of the soil life. What i really enjoy about TLo is that for one you can recycle the soil and re use it and it gets better with age. Also you don't have to worry about liquid nutrients and you get the most natural cannabis. I personally think that all medical marijuana should be grown this way. It brings out the plants true potential. I Love It

 

[BadAndy]

Ive got this book on my Xmas list.

 

[Kalyx]

I also have the Revs book and it is sweet. He not only details his whole method he also shares everything like where to get the input products and exactly how to blend and use them together as a system.
I have personally recently been trying super soil a la subcool, living soil/AACT based, and rize/Kushman veganics and IMO amended living soils done right can yield well and produce utmost resin quantity and quality.
My tlo mentor X's flowers are smooth, flavorful, and just Plain AMAZING meds. Big ups X! Danks for bringing TLO to our NM med community! I look forward to some living soil grown cannabis over all other cultivation styles, it allows the plants to feed and grow exactly as they should based on their genetics and environment = superior bud, resin, flavors, aromas, and effects!

 

[georgyboy]

I just got my hands on the Rev's book and am looking forward to implementing aspects of his style on my future grows. I have already been into the AACT, but the spikes and layers are new to me and I think they seem like a great idea. I have a fresh 30 gallons of super soil I just cooked up before I got the book, so I will be trying to blend the teachings of both gurus. I like TLO because it allows you to go organic without requiring a 7-10 gallon container, which we do not all have the space for. If you think about it, Sub's supersoil is just like a giant "layer" in a huge container.

 

[Cpt. Plant it]

I just got my hands on the Rev's book and am looking forward to implementing aspects of his style on my future grows. I have already been into the AACT, but the spikes and layers are new to me and I think they seem like a great idea. I have a fresh 30 gallons of super soil I just cooked up before I got the book, so I will be trying to blend the teachings of both gurus. I like TLO because it allows you to go organic without requiring a 7-10 gallon container, which we do not all have the space for. If you think about it, Sub's supersoil is just like a giant "layer" in a huge container.

Exactly, that is why favor Subs mix over the Rev's. I like the idea of large pots and not having to water for 3 to 4 days. Also I don't like all the layers, and spikes that are required for the Rev's style. I have The TLO book, and Teaming With Microbes, and i plan on blending both styles as georgeboy said. I plan on using LC's mix #1 with coco add Dr. Earth all purpose, and this will be my base soil mix. I will use this base mix instead of Roots or Pro Organics in the super soil recipe.

 

[uromastyx]

Just trying it out for the first time this round. Soil is cooked and blockhead seeds are sprouting. My fingers are crossed

 

[georgyboy]

Exactly, that is why favor Subs mix over the Rev's. I like the idea of large pots and not having to water for 3 to 4 days. Also I don't like all the layers, and spikes that are required for the Rev's style. I have The TLO book, and Teaming With Microbes, and i plan on blending both styles as georgeboy said. I plan on using LC's mix #1 with coco add Dr. Earth all purpose, and this will be my base soil mix. I will use this base mix instead of Roots or Pro Organics in the super soil recipe.

Teaming With Microbes is the source of some of the most essential information for organic gardening. Great book, I have it on PDF haha. The most helpful information for me in TLO is his breakdown of all the organic nutrients and how to use them, or more importantly, how NOT to use them. I make my own base soil for SS, using peat, perlite, coco, and an array of amendments. I didn't really understand how the various ingredients worked, and focused only on making sure all the elements were there in appropriate ratios. It's like my mind was still in hydro I guess. His explanation of the availability, longevity, and potentially negative consequences of each amendment can really help me strengthen my mix. I also use this base for seedlings and fresh clones, so it is important that it is healthy and balanced.

 

[georgyboy]

I think that The Rev's methods, such as using spikes and layers to mainstream nutrients to the plants and fostering supernatural amounts of microbes to yield massive plants in small containers is reflective of his commercial background.

 

[Kalyx]

Subs supersoil seems a lot easier to me, BUT if the Rev's complex layers and spikes make better meds I'm all for the extra work. In cannabis the extra effort seems to always pay off. I may TLO the meds in the big garden I work in, and veg plants and tplant into supersoil for patient plants they take home to bloom.

Gboy I am with you his explanation of additives and the trial and errors he shares are invaluable info for sure!

 

[kamut]

I am running some TLO containers side by side with SS right now. This is very unscientific, but I feel like I am getting similar results to TLO. I am not using only RO water , which is stressed in that book. It is worth reading, whether you agree with what he says or not. I think spikes and layers could be used with other hotter base soils with success, based on his descriptions of the spike and layer concepts.

 

[Piff83]

I feel like TLO grown bud is unique just because it was grown in a fashion where the plant was fed buy the soil rather than being force bed by a human, and i always like to let nature do its thing, it knows best. It is what cannabis is all about, a natural method of healing, and living well.

 

[SupraSPL]

I have been recycling soil for a few years and it does get better. We have been reammending with homemade EWC, kelp meal, and azomite. Very cheap and simple no layers or spikes necessary. Water only start to finish. Big dense nugs, dank resin clean smoke. This is the cutting edge for cannabis but the old farmers knew this. Its not what you do its what you dont do.

 

[Cann]

Got a copy of Teaming with Microbes today - its a great read. Have barely scratched the surface of whats in there, but I'm determined to read it ASAP. Would definitely recommend any serious organic gardener to pick up a copy

 

[VTMi'kmaq]

Im in it to win it please believe that, its about time someone sifted thought the ejectamenta and found an easier way to access a book that is acurate.

 

[SupraSPL]

Lots of good stuff here:

http://www.microbeorganics.com/#What_is_Compost_Tea_

Brewing tea is all about increasing the microbial population and biodiversity in the tea and soil. Once you recycle the soil a few times and have fresh EWC it is probably not necessary to use microbial tea but I like to apply it every cycle in veg. Microbeman recipe is very simple.

1 liter chlorine free water
25ml EWC
4ml molasses
2ml kelp meal
1ml fish hydrolysate

Aerate it sufficiently and brew for about 36 hours. Your tea will be murky and odorless. Doesn't get any better.

 

[georgyboy]

I know that chlorine free water is considered an important aspect of TLO, and organic growing in general, but it is all I have. My local water report shows that they use a good amount of both chlorine and chlorimine in the water. The house I rent doesn't have any gutter system in place, so I can't add a rain barrel, and I can't afford a filter right now. Has anyone gone complete organic grows, using teas and myco like in TLO, with chlorinated water? How were the end results? When I brew teas using tap water they still seem to get plenty bubbly and foamy, and they develop a faint, earthy smell. Is this proof that at least some of the microbes are able to survive the chlorine and reproduce despite it's presence?

 

[Cann]

Bubble the chlorinated water first for 12-24 hours before adding the microbes - this will get rid of all of the chlorine in the water. Unfortunately, chloramine is a whole other situation that needs to be addressed - I am not sure how to deal with it honestly but I know that people with aquariums have to remove it, so if you head to the local pet store and ask they probably have tablets or something that removes chloramine and is relatively safe for fish (so therefore plants hopefully?). I would never add microbes to water I knew had chloramine in it - but thats just me.

Can you not afford the $1 for 5 gal of filtered RO water from a water station? much cheaper than buying a filter, or finding ways to remove chloramine i would think....

Hope this helps. Its really hard to run organics without clean water. Especially in TLO which cultivates an extremely active living soil - a rhizosphere that would get decimated immediately by a single watering with chloramine laden tap and take weeks or months to rebuild.