locdawgs cfl garden 12/12 from seed or perpetual harvest 17 week system???

whats up folks locdawg here. just wanted to update the folks here on rollitup on whats been going on in my little neck of the woods. well first things first i am a medicinal cannabis user in a medical marijuana law state. okay now that thats off my chest. i began my humble growing roots just about 2 moths ago in early Feb, i had just got my med card and knew i couldn't delay getting going on my own grow op because the meds in my area are too expensive for my blood. also when i began my mm patient status in my state I bought 1 .oz and was hoping that would last me until my first harvest. well 2 short months down the road here I am with no more bud left very little cash flow and a 95% built grow room(got a few more cords lights and sockets to buy when money picks up currently between jobs just starting a new one).

I was reading online last night about a grower by i think his name was speecees and he developed a method of growing short 1 cola plants in 1 gallon buckets and harvesting over 7 times a year or so(mined condensed version of his system). he stated that the goal of his project was to harvest bigger yields and more often harvest. he said this was all achieved by inducing flowering early, in fact straight from seed 12/12 light cycle. the results were documented and proven. he said he harvested 700 grams with this system using i think a 600 watt hps maybe?
anyways i know that with cfl'S and their lower lumen per over all watts output is lower than an hps, so i could expect that big of a harvest but however it made perfect since that if bud was you intended goal then why not start flowering imediately and produce one massive single cola per plant and only have them be between 8-16 inchs tall all said and done.

okay theres my question weigh and help me decide between the two system of grown perpetual, or no mercy(name of speecees technique) now its time for show and tell. here's where my grown is at so far. got six decent size 1month old plants and several different strains as listed. 1.grand daddy purp 2. werewolf my own proprietary hybrid 3. train-wreck 4.romulan x pot of gold x sour diesel. and the resulting plants have been grown from seed minus the gdp that was a clone i bought. they are all in the near vicinity of height of 3-5 inches now. so if i were to do the 12/12 no mercy system i could expect a finish height between 9-15 inches of triple in size or 6-10 if only doubled. for more info on the perpetual harvest system go check out either ne1can grow , The Closet Farmer on you tube. anyways when i do with you guys help deciding what program to run i will take the plants out of the micro grow computer case i built, and re pot them in 1 gallon buckets move them to my big flowering cab i just built. inside the large cab there will be 8 cfls as listed in wattage. 1. two 300 cfl 2. three 100 watt cfl cool white bulb 3. three warm white 100 watt cfl. and for ventilation i have two dual speed 140 mm case fans i wired up to three 5 volt cell phone chargers. the exhaust fan is wired 2 5 volt charger wired in series switched to top speed. Then my intact fan is wired to a single 5 volt charger, for the simple fact that i didn't feel intact was as important as exhausting all that hot air form 8 high wattage cfl.

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so fart i have been feed foxfarm line of organic nutes like grow big and tiger bloom and open sesame. not all in conjunction but that is what i planed on using and then adding in some super thrive folar feeding during veg and adding in unsulfured organic molasses during flowering to boost those buds size! my soil is simple 3 parts cocoa coir to 1 part per-lite. i chose this soil because I've used in the past and it has worked well and allowed good and proper drainage of the water through the soil. i also like it because it is free of any dissolved solids or salts or anything remotely related to ferts that could cause burning so its easy to handle fertilizing and knowing when too much is too much. other soils I've used in the past like MG has had time released ferts in it already making it a little more difficult to figure what nutes to add as not to overload plants.

I plan to house my grow here on this site so i will keep up dating semi-weekly and let you guys peer through the window of my grown op. anything I've missed or any opinions, or idea's would be greatly appreciated if shared just keep it clean we're all friends here. almost forgot on the flowering cab i am still in the process of coming up with a way to make light traps for those fans as you can see i haven't yet any idea's?

thanks

Locdawg

"Stay faded"

Looks good man... Out of 6 or 7 grows I have done 12/12 from seed all but one of them.. a 12/12 from seed perpetual grow would be awesome!

yeah that would be dope pun intended! lol um damn i just might have to do that grapes i am still sort of having a hard time understand fully the in and outs of a perpetual. I mean i know what it is and as i stated above that grower from you tube has weeks and weeks vids on line showing it but im still bedazzled. oh well im sure it will just come to me. do you think that 12/12 at the size those six are now is going to be too small or should i just go for it. I could always reveg the plants later couldn't I?

thanks for checking my grow out,


locdawg

"stay faded"

really on the 12/12 perpetual all you need to do is plant seed(s) on a set interval, you can plant one every two weeks and have one harvested roughly every two weeks after 1st harvest...
all depends on how often you wanna harvest... most grows ive seen was on 3 week intervals.,...

im still trying to decide how often on mine.. its really been when i feel like it... some are 3 weeks aparrt some are a week...

Id just go for it..... i did.. lol...

thanks keifcake that was honestly the most straight forward opinion ive heard thus far. i happen to agree with you my new work schedule will allow me the time i need to spend with my garden so i think i might go for the harvest every week type thing and just germinate a seed every Monday. and every Monday move another plant out of the cab for harvest and then move another one week up closer to harvest. does that sound about right. i now understand why people say that clones are better to use when trying perpetual harvest program. its in my honest opinion mostly to do with the cost of seeds. for instance in my area hardly any mmd carry seed and the two that i know of either have shitty seeds or just have to high of price i mean $5 a seed for local genetics not from a real seed bank thats outrageous in my opinion regardless of strain if not from a reputable source. i mean one mmd operator went of to this case and pulled out a large pill bottle full of seeds and then he dumped about 60 on me for free... cool yes but for a would be breeder like myself and others who really wants random genetics floating around in their garden? so i mean that all to say i have a ton of seeds but out of all the seeds i do have who not too many of them are guaranteed genetics or even known. so running on seeds without deep pockets IMO isn't easy to do, however i guess that all depends on your area you live in an laws surround dank! oh well back to growing just thought id check in and update . tomorrow expect new pics of plants in final pots and moved to 12/12. cfl organic harvest here i come cant wait hope to god my first six plants aren't males that would surely sour my mood.

Yea that sounds about right... Only thing about every week is the room for 17 plants... depends on size of container.. plus with reg seeds that way a male wouldnt be as hurtful if you had one coming up each week behind it. I ordered mine from attitude. i do have one in the box thats a sativa bag seed i got from some good reggie...
having random bagseed you could still breed, take the best male and females and breed, but i feel ya i like knowing what i have comin up and what to expect.
Im using cfls as well, they work pretty good if you have plenty of light. super dense bud on the one flowering right now.

Everything looks good to me man. Maybe a little over watered though, they look a little droopy. But I'm not sure.

You really should have your intake fan at the bottom and exhaust at the top, as heat rises. Heat really isn't an issue with CFL's, but my box is just like yours and easily reaches temps of 90f even with the fans running. Something to consider. Good luck brother. I'll be watching.

edit - upon further inspection I see a fan up top, but is it intake or out?

kiefcake i decided im going to veg them a few more days in the cab and see if i cant getting them growing a little taller then Monday is 12/12

kingjalopy i totally agree with you about the fans and that is the way that both my computer cab and large cab are set up(intact near floor, exhaust up top). yeah they were over watered today i got a little spray happy with folial feeding. trying to find some way to get these little things to take and start shooting up with growth. i moved them from the computer cab tonight and put them in the large cab(800 watts with 14k lumen output with current setup soon to be about 1200 watts cfl putting out around 22-25k lumen's) and planted them in 8.75 inch pots probably 1/2 or 1 whole gallon bucket. so maybe this super increase in light and air and all that will make em jump the gun and start effin growing. super excited for beginning flowering in less than a week. here some picks in the new enclosure.

Hi, was just wondering if you connected your PC fans to a standard 12v DC charger?, Because im in the middle of my first grow and what i found is that on a standard 12v charger the RPM of the fans was quite low, So i re-wired my setup to an adjustable 12v DC charger and it increased the RPM of the fans by double.

hmm thats pretty awesome that you managed to do that as far as the 12v charger. i haven't been able to find a 12v charger anywhere handy so i just used a 5.5v cell phone chargers and the rpms i must admit are relatively low for a fan that size (in my cab hooked up to a 5.5v) so i got worried so i went and bought a 3 setting hydro meter(tells me max,current,and lowest temps of the day and humidity) and the temp in side the cab has been successfully lower then my smaller computer cab which ran a constant 86 degrees Fahrenheit(sometimes running up into the 90's) and that had 1/6 the amount of lights creating heat, but again like a said these fans at least for me even wired to a lower volt power supply work wonders for humidity and heat control. what are the temps and humidity in your area?


UPDATE TO GROW OP!!!

went to lowes today and thought " I need more light" so 43 bucks later I walk outa there with 2 more 300 watt cfls, a light socket, an extension cord, pack of wire nuts,2 more y light socket adapters. (sigh of exhaustion) after a half hour walk home due to a car ride argument my lady and I had on the way home , took me about 15-20 more minutes to have it all wired up and buttoned down. Now i have successfully built a can that runs all cfl (total of 10 ) 3 300W+3 100W+4 60W= 1440W output(roughly) and 20,450 lumen's(super bright to the eyes) the plants grew roughly 1/4 inch a piece over night you say "stretch" i say "hell yeah grow you short trick" . well thats all i got for today maybe ill post some pictures later on tomorrow night. and oh yeah one last thing i decided to stay vegging even though i transfered plants to bigger pots and into the flowering cab. I realized that there is no set rule or time frame i have to follow. i was just trying to safe myself money by not having to buy my medical supply, but i thought to myself am i really saving myself money and time if i try to put these small girls into flowering now, or am i going to actually waste all my hard effort and time by producing small scraggly buds. So to end the story for today, i decided to veg them for a lil while longer (no set time just a height and size of plant i'm looking for) 6-10 inches tall before flowering.

hmm thats pretty awesome that you managed to do that as far as the 12v charger. i haven't been able to find a 12v charger anywhere handy so i just used a 5.5v cell phone chargers and the rpms i must admit are relatively low for a fan that size (in my cab hooked up to a 5.5v) so i got worried so i went and bought a 3 setting hydro meter(tells me max,current,and lowest temps of the day and humidity) and the temp in side the cab has been successfully lower then my smaller computer cab which ran a constant 86 degrees Fahrenheit(sometimes running up into the 90's) and that had 1/6 the amount of lights creating heat, but again like a said these fans at least for me even wired to a lower volt power supply work wonders for humidity and heat control. what are the temps and humidity in your area?

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Hi since i switched over my DC charger, I picked it up cheap was something like £3, My temps have been a constant 72 - 75 *f.

shes looking good bro

UP DATE TO GROW!!! supercharged exhaust!!!!

hey guys heres what i got as far as pictures i promised to show the new lights setup but here they are had an awesome late night at work today. any how here fresh new pics of the crop as of exactly 11 mins ago. see any issues i dont? drop a line and let me know so i can address it i want this grow to be awesomes so i can stop get ripped at the MMD's. by the way dont miss judge the droopage for over feeding. i just got done giving this weeks round of water soluble nutes. so they are drinking up! by morning they should be nice and perked up again. oh and before i forget i added a lasko 3 speed slim profile fan inside cab to help with keeping the air fresh and cool enough growing temp. after adding new lights (3-300W cfl) the cab rose in temperature from 78.9 to about 86.3 degrees Fahrenheit inside about 1 foot above the canapy close to lights. so possibly the cooler air lower down where the plants are is cool and dense enough to keep them in their optimal growing temp, or im out of ideas... cab now sitting at 88.6 degree Fahrenheit .

belesar*

I am now in the process of looking for a 12v dc fan so that i can successfully keep my temps in the good range. i would even accept upper 70's as long as i can get this girls to start stretching a little bit, I know a grower asking for stretch "weird" right? at this point i just want some action it feels like for the past two weeks these things have just slow to almost a halt.

should get some nice air movement with that fan

UPDATE TO GROW!

After 5 days of extended growth time in the vegetative growth period, the plants have all shown astonishing signs of bounce back and have a real boost in vigor!
The plants were transplanted on the 5 of april into their final life pots(8.75 inch wide about 10-12 inches deep) they all have grown over two inches from last week alone another two weeks of growth like this and we'll be pushed into flowering. I also was only feeding them 1/4 strength nutes for just about their first whole month alive. just last week i began feeding them to fox farms growth schedule directed use. they are eating about 2 tbs grow big ever other feeding and 1/4 tsp super thrive as bottle recommends. I would assume the huge boost in over all lumen's and watts plus more food to intake made these babies kick back into action. now i have to go and buy my flowering nutes because right now I only have organic unsulfured molasses, and I dont know if that would supply the plant with all it needs to make a great bud during flowering??? anyone know if i can get away with just using molasses and still get a decent crop? okay now onto pictures update, tell me what you guys think... oh before I for get I happened to have lobbed off a branch accidentally on my romulan x sour D x pot of gold (biggest plant in the garden now! ) will this have a negative effect on the plants growth later on down the road? I did that buy trying to lst some of the branches on a stretching plant, but they were to moist and it just broke so i cut it off.
(werewolf up front trainwreck in the back)
( 2nd werewolf upfront, 2nd TW in back. )
(rom x pog x sour D in back, up front is GDP)
all these pics were taken as of the 7th of april, I will upload more tonight of their most recent growth.
(picture on the left is of all six plants their first night in the big flowering cab on 04/05/2011 under 13,500 lumen's. )

Btw i have two werewolf plants and two train wreck plants so do be confused if you see multiple picks of the same strain they're 2 different plants same strain with two of the stains im currently grown. hope you guys like what you see rate comment, or give concerns all ideas welcomed.

hello mate , ive been doing nothing but 12-12 from seed, works reall well for me, pulling 2-4 oz dry per plant, will stay tuned to see how you go. good luck......

about how tall are your plants at the time they begin producing bud, and about how long per plant until they finish?(8-10 weeks on 12/12?)

locdawg said:

about how tall are your plants at the time they begin producing bud, and about how long per plant until they finish?(8-10 weeks on 12/12?)

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plants range from 12 inches to 32 inches final height, nl and orange bud started flowering at 2 1/2 weeks of age and were done within 11 weeks total. grapefruit was my last grow, really good strain, got great bud off it. growing under 250 cfl and 600 hps............

okay i guess with that range in final height being the case. i might as well throw these bad girls into their flower cycle as not to grow to large of a plant the space im working with( my cab) is actually only 48 inches in internal height so i cant afford much larger then a plant then what you stated above. so they are about 6-8 inches tall now and if the old adage Plants triple in size is to be believed then my plants should reach a final height of 18 inches... if thats truly to be believed. either way i want bud!!!! now!!!! so i think its time to go to work and get what I'm after. i think tomorrow night we go to flowering 12/12 at about 7pm. a short 8 weeks (flowering time for my strains) and i will have sticky dank nugs!

stay tuned flowering picks soon!

locdawg,

Stay Faded!