Lollipop lollipop, Oh lolli lolli lolli, Lollipop lollipop....

pinkus

New Member
It really depends on the soil: does it have enough air, and how available the nutrients are. I used to do chemical ferts and they are highly available straight from the bottle if it's a good one, i.e. chelated minerals. Probably not far behind hydro if your soil verges on soil less.

Organics are more dependent on maintaining soil health, but with a healthy ecosystem breaking down the organic material to become available continually, it's probably not that far behind chem ferts in speed.....but it will be WAY WAY out in front for taste. :hump:

Im planning on doing a soil perpetual grow for my 2nd grow, my only concern is the harvest cycle with soil compared to hydro. What Im asking is if I was to grow the same strain in soil & hydro side by side what would the difference in time scale be?
 

iloveit

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It really depends on the soil: does it have enough air, and how available the nutrients are. I used to do chemical ferts and they are highly available straight from the bottle if it's a good one, i.e. chelated minerals. Probably not far behind hydro if your soil verges on soil less.

Organics are more dependent on maintaining soil health, but with a healthy ecosystem breaking down the organic material to become available continually, it's probably not that far behind chem ferts in speed.....but it will be WAY WAY out in front for taste. :hump:

This is the soil Im planning on using It was recommended by "9inchbigbud":

http://www.specialmix.nl/


Last question:
When it comes to soil, how many weeks before harvest should I begin flushing & should I flush when ever the plants are thirsty or 3 times the volume of the container all at once?
 

Roland

Active Member
nah not starved for light. just the strechiest girl of the bunch. I am growing in a 3x3 area with reflective sheeting. here are 2 pics.1 of corner of growroom and second of a shorter bushier female with a little more pronounced flowering. I rotate them and put the shorter ones on cinder blocks so they are closer to the height of the tall girl to equalize lighting. the tall one was the only one I was considering for lollipop but I guess its too late now:cry:

first pic ... 2 plants - topped 13days into flowering ............. ( this pic is 8 days after topping )

2nd pic untopped ... but some lower branches removed during veg

none are lollipopped .... I don't do the same thing to every plant .. I listen to my plant .. it tells me what it wants .... haha ....... and doesn't want
 

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chasenuggethed

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i consider them lollypops....i mean c'mon, as long as the bottom is just stem and it looks like a lollypop, especially since you are growing sog, it is the best type of lolly for the method, like if they were outdoor, the could be multiple cola lollied, anyways , ....it looks like you know what you are doin for the space you have...peace.
 

DR. VonDankenstine

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Nice pics and posts on Lolly-pop method. I call them "strippers":mrgreen: cause those beautiful ladies dance on the pole when your done. I cut off all branches and leaves from the bottom half at the beginning of week 3 but spare the leaves above that and(if a branch is more than 1" it gets the cut as well). Not only do the strippers get more light but the root system bulked up the first three weeks to handle a larger plant so now all the energy can be directed toward the single top cola---An added benefit is also the major reduction in manicuring and trimming time at the end of harvest. I run 82---3gal grow-bags on a true 4'x8' table the table is lit with 66 watts/sf --the medium is 1/2 coco with 1/2 small perlite(I add 1" of large perlite in the bottom of each bag to hold the coco and small perlite from running out the drain holes in the grow-bags. I start Indicas at 12" and Sativ's at 6" to 9"(both will grow 3x in height in the first three weeks---I try to keep my air-cooled hoods 6" or less from the top of plant canopy--If I have a plant or two taller then the rest I will tie the top down to match the rest of the canopy--I run my co2 at 1700 ppms and my room temp is 80 to 83 I keep my RH below 50% with an avg of 40%. Each plant will avg 28grams dried and cured(Some strains produce less----some more)---note---I plant an extra 10% in the same bags and keep them on the sides, that way if I have some week performers or slow/small growers I have a healthy plant replacement. I love the str:weed:ippers!!!
 

shabedue

Member
Any thoughts about a hybrid-lollipop bog grow. What I'm talking about would be scrog the bottom usual but for the sides of your screen lollipop it. It seems possible plus you'd be fitting in a few more plants on the side of the screen. Rather than 1 per side maybe like 3 per ft, really close together and growing almost only vertical.
 

DR. VonDankenstine

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Any thoughts about a hybrid-lollipop bog grow. What I'm talking about would be scrog the bottom usual but for the sides of your screen lollipop it. It seems possible plus you'd be fitting in a few more plants on the side of the screen. Rather than 1 per side maybe like 3 per ft, really close together and growing almost only vertical.
Try it out-----would be a cool looking plant:-o.
 

Mr.

Active Member
Gypsy

You are getting 2lbs from one 600w light!?!?!? That is amazing. Wow, it makes me wanna toss my 1000's out. I wonder how much of a yield increase you would experience with a 1000w.....
 

GypsyBush

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Gypsy

You are getting 2lbs from one 600w light!?!?!? That is amazing. Wow, it makes me wanna toss my 1000's out. I wonder how much of a yield increase you would experience with a 1000w.....
My op has been set up as a perpetual from day one...

The 48x 20g was my personal best... a record of you will...

Right now I am averaging a dry oz a day coming down...

But have had batches the were as low as 0.3 grams per watt...

So I am no hero... and I fuck up plenty... but when I nail it... it does prtty good...

I just need to learn to be consistent...

I really believe I that with the right strain and nutes I may end up pushing it to 48x 28g... but I am still a few years worth of knowledge from that goal...

As for the 1k vs 600...

I choose 600's because I started in a tent 36"x20"54" and I thought 1k was excessive...

After I moved out of the tent, I just figured I would keep them all the same...

Aircooled 600 HPS covers a 3x3 tray pretty good...

Al B. Fuct uses 1k over a 6x3... times 2.. and he's getting a pound every 2 weeks...:weed::clap:

You are welcome to come over to my journal and take a peek... sorry for no pics until page 9... long story...:lol:

Cheers!!! :joint::peace:
 

Dfunk

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Hi All...hope everyone is well. I was wondering how many "lollipopped" 20 inch plants a 400W HPS could handle? I have some supplemental lighting as well. My thinking is that if I lollipop say 8 indica dominant plants & begin flowering them around 7/8 inches they should come out no larger than 20 inches right? I'm looking to produce about a 1/4 pound every few months...each plant would produce a half ounce dry in my theory...so 8 plants should work right? Any help on this idea would be fantastic.
 

GypsyBush

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Hi All...hope everyone is well. I was wondering how many "lollipopped" 20 inch plants a 400W HPS could handle? I have some supplemental lighting as well. My thinking is that if I lollipop say 8 indica dominant plants & begin flowering them around 7/8 inches they should come out no larger than 20 inches right? I'm looking to produce about a 1/4 pound every few months...each plant would produce a half ounce dry in my theory...so 8 plants should work right? Any help on this idea would be fantastic.
Hey Dfunk!! What's going on???

You are welcome to stop by my garden...

You will see something similar to what you are saying..

I pack them in at 4 plants per square foot...

I fit 48 in a 3x3 tray under a 600...

my op has been putting out an oz a day...:joint::bigjoint:
 

iloveit

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GypsyBush you are every where I look on RIU, you & I spend way too much time on this forum Ha ha. If only we were neighbours we would have lots to talk about.
 

Dfunk

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Thanx GypsyBush...I've seen your operation-looks awesome! If I could even get a 1/4 OZ. a day that would be great.
 

GypsyBush

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Here is another look at my "non-lollipop" grow...:lol:

I'll give you guys two choices for music...

Both worth not only listening to, but also watching.. after the pictures, of course...:lol:

First, in keeping with SZ's Woodstock Kick...

Here is Soul Sacrifice... and worth noting is that the drummer was 19 at the time... KICK ASS SOLO buddy!!! :clap::clap::clap:

[youtube]H9sKXDq1zsE[/youtube]

and the other, much more recent, presents a meeting of masters... I believe no one will argue that...:lol:

[youtube]pAf3gqdCrDs[/youtube]

Now.. onto the pics...

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theburnoutkid

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Check this out not sure if its lollipoppin but his technique is pretty wild and i think those are the result ud wanthttps://www.rollitup.org/cfl-growing/132387-fantastic-fluoro-frenzy-252wcfl-grow-27.html
 
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