long flower, like 12 weeks, and new growth??? what yall think?

gumball

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Why even bother weighing it when it's wet? I'll bet you money that's not 50-60 grams dry ;).
I like to see the wet weight so I can compare. I kno most ppl say dry is 30% of wet, so I like to see.

You may be right about the weight, but there is 70 grams drying in a different area, so it will still be more than an ounce dry, and less than 2, however much is fine with me
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gumball

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what strain is this? i had the same plant. looks same, flowered reallly long... had the look of rice aroni with the hairs... what strain?
I think your green lights would be ok, but the red could screw with it. Maybe a couple pieces of hvac metal tape to block the light.

I'm not sure of strain, it was a bagseed. I put a piece in my mouth though and it left me with a peppermint taste in my mouth.
 

Brick Top

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i dont have any pictures handy, but i posted some more which may show more detail. if i have time i will post some more when she wakes up. but if you want to look at my grow journal in my signature, there may be a few with better detail i forgot to add

oh, it is a little new leaf growth, like foxtails (which it did start to do) but with leaves coming out to. the leaf growth is growing up taller. the buds were/are foxtailing if that is what your last question may have been referring to. thanks for the brainstorming, you have made me feel a little better. i knw it is a far off chance it may have sativa in it, but that would be a better reason than light leaks. and she did stay a pretty solid green up till 7-8 weeks of flower, if that matters.

It is sure that there is a good amount of sativa in the strain. The leaves are very similar in size to any number of strains I have grown that were more than 50% sativa, more like 60% or more in some cases. Three examples would be Green House Seeds Lemon Skunk, though not the really sativa phenotype that has leaves like the Crypt Keeper’s fingers, and Big Buddha’s Blue Cheese. Seedsman Seeds White Widow is another that is predominantly sativa and again, very similar leaves. All three are predominantly sativa and the leaves were very similar, as were many others.

Something else that tells you that there has to be a fair percentage of sativa in the strain is clear/cloudy trichomes after how long it has flowered. Something predominantly indica should have brown trichomes by now, not amber, brown.

Staying dark green so late in flower can be another sign of sativa dominance. A more indica strain should have browned out a rather fair bit by 7 to 8 weeks of flowering.

I saw the foxtailing but I really did not think that was what you meant. I was looking for upward new main-stem growth or new branch or leaf growth. I had a Neville's Haze plant that late in flower took off totally unlike the others. An immense amount of very fine new growth shot out and continued to grow right up to harvest.

The growth was like if you crossed a big floor mop and a spiderweb. Other than bring light green it looked like Cher's hair in the OLD video "If I Could Turn Back Time." I had to build a trellis and it hung like grape vines. I nicknamed it 'The Hanging Garden of Babylon.'

I was looking for something more like that beginning. I was happy to not see it.

Light leaks cause hermis and unless that is what you can see in person and I cannot see in the pictures you do not need to be concerned about light leaks being a problem.
 

Brick Top

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That plant couldn't be more bushy and the bud structures have a lot of leaves coming out of them, both point to indica. Is there a sativa strain that grows bushy and leafy that I'm not aware of?
It is clear that you have limited experience. It is also clear that you do not understand the difference between something being sativa and it being predominantly sativa. Sativa means pure sativa, no indica in the strain at all. Predominantly sativa means 51% or higher in sativa and 49% or lower in indica and plants with that sort of percentages of sativa and indica can still appear to be mostly indica.

You said; " Is there a sativa strain that grows bushy and leafy that I'm not aware of?" Evidently there is, or at least in something predominantly sativa if not pure sativa.

Rumors and guesses on the parentage of Romulan abound. Claims that the Romulan is a pure Indica (Afgani/Kush) are mistaken. While there may be some genetics from Indica (Afgani) varieties, anyone who has tried true Romulan knows that the mind warping effect is that of plant with strong sativa traits.

According to `Romulan Joe,` 'keeper of the flame,' the original breeders started growing in there backyard and greenhouse in the 50`s, after being introduced to cannabis in the Korean war and bringing home seeds to Victoria. They struggled to grow and acclimatise these seeds selecting the faster flowering shorter plants from the tall lanky Korean strain.

When the late sixties, early seventies rolled around they began trying Colombian and Mexican seeds and hybridized varieties from these. In the mid 80`s when the Afgani strains swept into North America they briefly tried hybridizing with these but eventually when back to selecting the traits they liked in there old genetics.

They worked mainly with Sativa genetics but always selected shorter squatter phenotypes which has made many people think that it is a purely Indica strain.

Having 38 years of growing experience I have complete confidence in saying that the strain in the pictures in this thread is predominantly sativa, just as I originally stated. I would not attempt to guess a percentage amount, or even a half-narrow percentage range. Depending on which phenotype was chosen as 'the strain' found in a cross looks can be deceiving. But when you add the rest, like having flowered for so long and the trichome color still being clear/cloudy, that tells you there is a goodly amount of sativa in the strain. If the strain was a heavy indica it should have finished well before now and if allowed to grow until now the trichomes would be brown, not amber .... brown ... and all the plant would be good for would be compost.
 

Brick Top

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My plants are mostly sativa (I think, I still don't know what strain they are, maybe Shishkaberry), and they all look like that due to me topping them a bit. It is pretty easy, at least for the strains I have grown, to get a sativa to bush out like that by topping it a few times.

I do not know the info on Shishkeberry but I do know that Shishkeberry Red is a line bred Afghani 100% indica and it will finish in 60 days. It would have very wide heavy paddle leaves, far wider than what is seen in the pictures.




In the case of Shishkeberry #3 it is an indica/sativa cross (indica first means indica predominant) and it finishes in 63 days. It would also have very wide heavy paddle leaves, far wider than what is seen in the pictures.


Shishkeberry should not be much different, not enough for leaves that thin or leaves remaining so green so late into flower or for there to be clear/cloudy trichomes so late. It is unlikely that it is Shishkeberry but it might have some Shishkeberry in it, 49% or less.
 

homebrewer

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It is clear that you have limited experience. It is also clear that you do not understand the difference between something being sativa and it being predominantly sativa. Sativa means pure sativa, no indica in the strain at all. Predominantly sativa means 51% or higher in sativa and 49% or lower in indica and plants with that sort of percentages of sativa and indica can still appear to be mostly indica.

You said; " Is there a sativa strain that grows bushy and leafy that I'm not aware of?" Evidently there is, or at least in something predominantly sativa if not pure sativa.

Rumors and guesses on the parentage of Romulan abound. Claims that the Romulan is a pure Indica (Afgani/Kush) are mistaken. While there may be some genetics from Indica (Afgani) varieties, anyone who has tried true Romulan knows that the mind warping effect is that of plant with strong sativa traits.

According to `Romulan Joe,` 'keeper of the flame,' the original breeders started growing in there backyard and greenhouse in the 50`s, after being introduced to cannabis in the Korean war and bringing home seeds to Victoria. They struggled to grow and acclimatise these seeds selecting the faster flowering shorter plants from the tall lanky Korean strain.

When the late sixties, early seventies rolled around they began trying Colombian and Mexican seeds and hybridized varieties from these. In the mid 80`s when the Afgani strains swept into North America they briefly tried hybridizing with these but eventually when back to selecting the traits they liked in there old genetics.

They worked mainly with Sativa genetics but always selected shorter squatter phenotypes which has made many people think that it is a purely Indica strain.

Having 38 years of growing experience I have complete confidence in saying that the strain in the pictures in this thread is predominantly sativa, just as I originally stated. I would not attempt to guess a percentage amount, or even a half-narrow percentage range. Depending on which phenotype was chosen as 'the strain' found in a cross looks can be deceiving. But when you add the rest, like having flowered for so long and the trichome color still being clear/cloudy, that tells you there is a goodly amount of sativa in the strain. If the strain was a heavy indica it should have finished well before now and if allowed to grow until now the trichomes would be brown, not amber .... brown ... and all the plant would be good for would be compost.
We're going to have to agree to disagree here. The pictures of the finished plant indicate to me that this was a less-than-stellar grow. It's hard to diagnose a sativa/indica split when you not only didn't grow the plant, but don't have a chance to smoke it either. I stick by my statements based on how the plant looks and have 10 years experience to justify my opinion.
 

gumball

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well I am revegging it, so i will grow it till i get amber/cloudy mix of trichs. as for now, the buzz is heady and energetic, and really isnt a couchlock. i enjoy this a little though, but I would love to experience a ripe sativa, it sounds like a nice feeling. thanks for the reply
 

Antigen

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I do not know the info on Shishkeberry but I do know that Shishkeberry Red is a line bred Afghani 100% indica and it will finish in 60 days. It would have very wide heavy paddle leaves, far wider than what is seen in the pictures.




In the case of Shishkeberry #3 it is an indica/sativa cross (indica first means indica predominant) and it finishes in 63 days. It would also have very wide heavy paddle leaves, far wider than what is seen in the pictures.


Shishkeberry should not be much different, not enough for leaves that thin or leaves remaining so green so late into flower or for there to be clear/cloudy trichomes so late. It is unlikely that it is Shishkeberry but it might have some Shishkeberry in it, 49% or less.
Thanks for the info! It wasn't my plants in the picture but from your descriptions it sounds like I don't have true Shishkaberry. Here's a picture of one of my leaves:

leaf.jpg

I just harvested the plants or I would take a pic of the whole thing. Here's a pic of two plants that I cloned off it, which are next to go into the bud room:
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There is probably no way to ID them via the computer, is there? I like the strain, it is nice and hardy, clones easily, never hermies (yet anyway). I just wish I knew what it was.
 
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