Looking for info on making RSO

TruenoAE86coupe said:

You probably don't want to live in Pueblo, really secluded from the rest of the state. Look into Colorado Springs or somewhere in the Metro Denver area, north is cheaper than south. I am in Brighton, i personally like it here, far enough from the city to not have to deal with traffic or other big city issues, close enough to still be able to go where i need to go. Just my .02 but you will here a lot of similar about Pueblo from others.

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Brighton looks like its small yet close to everything , everything else you said sounds super cool , hoping to have my camper finished by first part of May , maybe a “ Have Extractor Will Travel “ business would work ?

It absolutely would.
Have tester will travel also going to be huge, $10,000 couldn't be better spent in this state at this time imho.
Yeah, Brighton is a little town, 30,000 people or something. Not saying its the greatest place, just putting out cheap, nice places to live. Anywhere north (east) of denver is less expensive, but mostly nice. Commerce City is an exception to this, now has nice areas, but is mostly, well Commerce City.

TruenoAE86coupe said:

It absolutely would.
Have tester will travel also going to be huge, $10,000 couldn't be better spent in this state at this time imho.
Yeah, Brighton is a little town, 30,000 people or something. Not saying its the greatest place, just putting out cheap, nice places to live. Anywhere north (east) of denver is less expensive, but mostly nice. Commerce City is an exception to this, now has nice areas, but is mostly, well Commerce City.

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Yes a tester would be nice but 10,000 leaves me out . The oil is my main goal , smoking will be like a bonus , I’m not totally convinced the oil will do what I’ve heard it will but the pain meds are for sure killing me , been on them for over 6 years and within the last two years I’ve went from 185 to 130 , the pain meds are causing both liver and kidney problems , got the calculator out and figured at the current rate of degrading I’ll completely disappear in about 2 more years so screw it I’m going for it . There is no down side , at the very least I’ll leave happy . I would like to connect with you in May , would that be a go ?

Anytime, typically business picks up by then, so it may have to be a weekend thing. Late may i should have a lot of trim, i am doing large plants this time, about a week from tossing several 3 + foot tall plants into flower.
Anything to get off the poison that they make us feel like we have no option but to take.

TruenoAE86coupe said:

Anytime, typically business picks up by then, so it may have to be a weekend thing. Late may i should have a lot of trim, i am doing large plants this time, about a week from tossing several 3 + foot tall plants into flower.
Anything to get off the poison that they make us feel like we have no option but to take.

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Sounds like you may have been on pain meds also , I’ll tell you the little I do know for sure about the oil , my sister lives in Ohio , just below the MI line so I flew up there , my brother-in-law took me up to MI , I obtained some oil , enough for 10 days at about one third the amount recommended by Rick Simpson , cut the pain meds by half , first 2 days felt worse , thought it may be a bunch of BS by day 5 I thought that it may not be BS , by day 10 I actually felt fairly good and if I had not run out I would have tried it without the pain meds . What impressed me the most was that I could feel the happy feeling returning and I had not had that feeling in a long time . I’m sure MM is here to stay , its just going to take some time to un-brainwash the people . I’m hoping that Discovery show will help in that respect

Fortunately i have not had to deal with pain meds myself, have seen lots of other people go downhill on them. I am hoping to move my garden in the direction of helping people, more people at least. I am interested in this RS oil myself for my mother in law, so maybe i will work on getting set up to be able to make a batch of it. I feel like the pound thing to make it is crazy, but i will hook up with bshdctr and get his methods on this in person and see what i can do.

TruenoAE86coupe said:

Fortunately i have not had to deal with pain meds myself, have seen lots of other people go downhill on them. I am hoping to move my garden in the direction of helping people, more people at least. I am interested in this RS oil myself for my mother in law, so maybe i will work on getting set up to be able to make a batch of it. I feel like the pound thing to make it is crazy, but i will hook up with bshdctr and get his methods on this in person and see what i can do.

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I have my extractor already built , and the oil can be made with any amount of MM , just get less oil .
I seen in one of your posts that you were planning on a greenhouse , that would be cool ( well hot actually ) I built one here in Florida several years ago , built it for almost nothing , I connected with a contractor that had a bunch of sliding glass doors , I think he wanted 10 bucks apiece but needed a leaf shredder so we traded , the little I did spend was for the material to frame the doors in and the hard plastic roof , I realized later that I should have just cemented in the 4x4’s and only used the glass . just food for thought . http://www.eplastics.com/Corrugated-Fiberglass-Panels --- Good plastic
Nice talking to you and will catch up with you later .

I looked at the link to a home brew moonshine still using a yard sale pressure cooker and have to say that this is great example of Yankee ingenuity. You could still blow yerself up with something like this so be careful with the pressurized alcohol vapor. I am not clear about the legality of making oil or selling it. The same number of cops are still out there looking for 'customers' so you need to be aware that they will be looking for anyone who steps over the line, even if the line is not where you think it is. Does that make sense? I would like to see the full frontal assault like happened a few times in Denver and in Boulder at 4/20 gatherings, where tons of people overwhelmed the system to make a point. Problem is that the police are not there for us any more they are there for themselves and their pensions. We are a revenue stream to them so use care when doing business in this arena.

420circuit said:

I looked at the link to a home brew moonshine still using a yard sale pressure cooker and have to say that this is great example of Yankee ingenuity. You could still blow yerself up with something like this so be careful with the pressurized alcohol vapor. I am not clear about the legality of making oil or selling it. The same number of cops are still out there looking for 'customers' so you need to be aware that they will be looking for anyone who steps over the line, even if the line is not where you think it is. Does that make sense? I would like to see the full frontal assault like happened a few times in Denver and in Boulder at 4/20 gatherings, where tons of people overwhelmed the system to make a point. Problem is that the police are not there for us any more they are there for themselves and their pensions. We are a revenue stream to them so use care when doing business in this arena.

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I agree with every thing you said , I built my extraction unit with two pressure safety’s and a half inch vent tube at the far end ( half inch hose 12 foot long ) of the condenser and a temperature control unit that I can keep it with in 2 degrees of what I want , The trick is to never let it pressurize to the point your vent hose can not handle it . I’ve even tried to ignite mine and it can not be done , the only odor is at the end of the vent tube and it amounts to the same as you would have if you set a glass of Everclear on your kitchen table . I’m talking Iso or Everclear , Butane is another story , and a lot more safety factors have to be taken , but again if done properly its safe . Yes the LEO situation has changed a lot in the last 50 years , they have went from being public servants to being lord and master , the general public is finally waking up so hopefully things will keep getting better .If a demonstration it big enough to make the news it will help the movement , what are your views on that Discovery Chanel Weed movie every Wed. , do you think that will help ? It seem to show how much money is being wasted by LEO .

I haven't seen the Disc Chan thing, but will look for it. I don't expect the LEO situation to change for the better, all we can hope is that the laws change so they will find something else to focus on. Maybe chasing violent people or protecting our homes while we are away at work would be a better use of their talents. Busting the guy yesterday for selling 3.5 ozs to an undercover cop was not protecting or serving anyone. Perhaps cutting back on the extravagant government salary/benefits/pension system would be a good start toward fixing the bigger problem, but the citizens are no longer in charge of managing that system as it has been safely wrapped in protective layer of unions and government oversight to keep it running without interference from the peasants, us, the taxpayers. Serfdom is alive and well in America, we voted it in. The elite ruling class of govt workers now runs the show and we have been told to shut your face and know your place. Sorry for the rant, been a rough couple days. I'd be interested in seeing your still, can you post a picture?

Sorry for my absence here the last few days folks. NEEDMMASAP, thanks for the links and info you have provided! Greywolf and the crew over at GreenPassion is where I started learning about the whole world of eating cannabis oil, great folks for sure! Trueno has pretty much covered the details on the the legal situation here. Oil making is totally legal but selling any form of cannabis if you are not a licensed MMC is not legal. That bring said, gifting with no payback of under an ounce is legal and the cannabis community here is awesome. Just as Trueno said I would be happy to donate trim (and buds if possible!) to anyone who is fighting cancer and needs to make oil, 420Circuit you are included in this too.

As far as decarbing goes...I totally forgot to mention that most important step! My Bad! Once I have my black thick oil removed from the crock pot and placed in a small pyrex bowl, I cover it with one later of foil, and then place it in a 250f degree oven for 25 minutes. One thing I learned over at Greenpassion is that when THCA converts to THC it gives off co2, so you can basically watch the bubbles of co2 coming out of the oil, and when the bubbles stop rapidly coming from the oil, you know most of the THCA has been converted to THC. Of course you must make sure the oil is free of solvent first to ensure that these bubbles are infact co2 and not solvent boiling off.

I think that the extremely resinous and potent herb that we are able to grow indoors from amazing genetics produces MUCH more oil that the 60 grams per pound that Rick talks about. My point being that even an ounce of high grade trim or buds will produce enough oil to start eating it regularly, while you look for/grow more Cannabis to make more oil with. It that making sense?

As far as living in CO goes, I live in Ft Collins. It is a beautiful town and I love living here....but we are restricted to 12 plants per household. It is a city ordinance and I am unsure if it will be effected by the new rules of Amendment 64. I just stick with 6 in veg and 6 in flower and try to make them huge!

If the crock pot could reach 250 degrees for about 25 minutes, after the product has reached the thick stage, do you think that would decarb the oil sufficiently? Rick's video shows a rice cooker and the product is boiling pretty vigorously at the end, so maybe the rice cooker runs warmer than the crock pot. I'll be testing both next week and will post results unless someone beats me to it.

BTW, thank you for the offers of raw materials, it warms my heart to see people reaching out to complete strangers to help. My grow is proceeding great and I plan to produce everything I need. (Except the knowledge) Funny thing is that the work involved in supporting the plants has been excellent therapy in my recovery, light physical exercise and constant problem solving, I highly recommend this as physical therapy for anyone who has had surgery. If RSO helps with symptoms or progression of disease, that will be a bonus.

This is a link to the 16th and final youtube video created by a guy fighting a particularly aggressive type of brain cancer. He started taking the oil after a couple rough surgeries, chemo and radiation. This about a year old and I have not seen anything more recent online from him, his battle may be over. I am posting this to show that there is evidence that RSO may be useless. It would be good to have this stuff evaluated in a very serious way to determine if it is worth pursuing or if time could be better spent searching somewhere else. Oh yea and one more thing. FUCKING CANCER!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4ue7QP_MXs

bshdctr-- 420circuit---Thanks for posting that link , I’ll try to find out more about it , the truth has to be know even if its not what we want to hear . I also want to be sure I have not said something that would mislead anyone , I do not have cancer at least nothing major , I’m 70 and at my age there are always skin growths and lumps that are worrisome , all of my health issues are from a auto accident and damage caused by the pain meds , my wife is the one with cancer , she has went through the medical process ( breasts removed , various lymph nodes removed , chemo and radiation ) it was stage 3 , and she is currently holding her own , our study of MM and the oil started when we found out about the cancer , her biggest worry is that the cancer will return , while going through this we have found out it returns far to often , we are interested in finding the truth so if it is true we will be a step ahead of things , I’m kind of the Ginny pig in this quest , if she sees any positive results for me then it will be a go for her as a preventive measure or if it returns a full assault with the oil . Will the oil help with kidney and liver problems ? Not a lot of information out there so who knows , but its worth a shot .
It is quite possible that the oil works if a person uses it before stage 4 , maybe nothing works at that stage .
Graywolf’s site is good , lots of information , I was thinking about going to Oregon but the old van I’m making the camper out of is like me old and worn out , 268,000 miles , I’m in Florida , have family in Miss and Texas so I feel Colorado would be better in case I have trouble , also 55 years ago we were going through Colorado and I remember being in Loveland and how beautiful it was there .
Just checked Ft Collins , only 65 miles from Denver and Loveland is in-between that’s cool , might have been the route we took , we were going to Calif

420circuit said:

If the crock pot could reach 250 degrees for about 25 minutes, after the product has reached the thick stage, do you think that would decarb the oil sufficiently? Rick's video shows a rice cooker and the product is boiling pretty vigorously at the end, so maybe the rice cooker runs warmer than the crock pot.

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No reason the crockpot won't work to bring it up to 250deg, that's about where mine heads with the lid on and the pot set on low. Could the rapid boil be the naphtha boiling off? But seriously, I think you need some coconut oil in there to soak up the THC as it is decarbed, at least that is what my research turned up. Same principle applies for cannabutter.

Also, I wanted to post this from the National Cancer Institute website in case you havent been to the site. How sad, a government website stating plainly that the various cannabinoids inhibit tumor growth, but the DEA refuses even to launch an investigation into a possible rescheduling of cannabis to a group other than that reserved for drugs like heroin... typical Beareaucrats though, gotta protect their fief, they're all latched on to the Gubmint tax tit.

Here's the excerpt discussing CBD. You guys probably have already researched this, but if not its pretty good info. More info on full site, particlary regarding THC, im just a CBD believer. Link to full site attached. The footnotes take you to the study abstracts.

An in vitro study of the effect of CBD on programmed cell death in breast cancer cell lines found that CBD induced programmed cell death, independent of the CB1, CB2, or vanilloid receptors. CBD inhibited the survival of both estrogen receptor–positive and estrogen receptor–negative breast cancer cell lines, inducing apoptosis in a concentration-dependent manner while having little effect on nontumorigenic, mammary cells.[18]

CBD has also been demonstrated to exert a chemopreventive effect in a mouse model of colon cancer.[19] In the experimental system, azoxymethane increased premalignant and malignant lesions in the mouse colon. Animals treated with azoxymethane and CBD concurrently were protected from developing premalignant and malignant lesions. In in vitro experiments involving colorectal cancer cell lines, the investigators found that CBD protected DNA from oxidative damage, increased endocannabinoid levels, and reduced cell proliferation.

Another investigation into the antitumor effects of CBD examined the role of intercellular adhesion molecule-1 (ICAM-1).[12] ICAM-1 expression has been reported to be negatively correlated with cancer metastasis. In lung cancer cell lines, CBD upregulated ICAM-1, leading to decreased cancer cell invasiveness.

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/cannabis/healthprofessional/page4#Reference4.17

Hope some of that helps. You guys and ladies are gonna beat it. I too offer medicine to anyone fighting cancer... if in fact I ever grow a plant worthy of harvesting.

Found a great step by step tutorial on oil making. I'd like to know more about the device used, the counter top distiller, and its operating temperature. This really is a well done video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjV-blYwf0&feature=player_embedded

I found it at 420Magazine. http://www.420magazine.com/forums/cannabis-hemp-oil/144436-cannabis-hemp-oil-making-tutorial-using-safe-countertop-distiller-froz-alcohol.html

Excellent video, thanks. Btw, the direct link to the video isn't working, so I hit the link to 420mag. At the end of the video the following website pops up, it has a video from Rick Simpson that you may want to watch. No time for me, headed out to the other side of east bumfuck WY... Do they have Internet in WY? Just kidding you WY folks, I like WY, especially the miracle mile.

www.phoenixtears.ca

Also, I found the water distiller from the video on Amazon, but didn't have much time to look for the oil one.

http://www.amazon.com/Waterwise-4000-Water-Steam-Distiller/dp/B002DQCMY6/ref=sr_1_5?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1363103308&sr=1-5&keywords=essential+oil+distiller

My preference will be to find the oil distiller as it runs at lower temps per the video. I wonder if the cannabinoids are active in this oil as there is no mention of temps. My guess would be no, or very little. IMO you may still need to activate the oil by holding it at 225-250 for 45 minutes or so, preferably mixed @ 1:1.5 (ratio of weights) extract to coconut oil. You could do this in relatively small batches and is how I will go.

What an excellent way of making the extract. I'm definitely going to use this. Thanks bro.

A member of my extended family that we vacation with has prostrate cancer. I have always given him a bowl and a bag of weed to smoke while on vacation.

He will not try any oil or cannabis as a treatment. The chemo has been devastating, yet he will not try weed/oil smoked or ingested to try to cure himself and relieve symptoms. and he live in MA, a freaking med state.

He still thinks weed is kinda dirty and shameful, but smokes down for a week each year when I am around.

I only suggested gently a couple times. It is his business, but damn.

Even some pot smokers still think weed is unhealthy and dangerous.

oh yeah and

Fuck Cancer

Yes indeed, Fuck Cancer. Getting some details about the operating temps for the counter top distillers will determine which one would be best to use and will answer the question about decarb-, is another heating step needed after the oil is made. I appreciate the input on this research and hope that posting results will help someone else too.

This all assumes that RSO actually works. Yes there is evidence that it does for certain things, in fact lots of things, but until it cures something on me I guess I'll remain a skeptic. I had some basal cell skin cancers removed and one is starting to get itchy again, so it is probably coming back. Basal cell is generally not too bad and is very common among people who have had a lot of sun exposure. There are a lot of reports that RSO is effective in eliminating these things so I may be able to test it on this as well as something much more serious. My big cancer was surgically removed and radiation was tried to keep it from growing back, but most folks do see it again in spite of treatments. There are new chemo treatments being tried, but the reason that they usually fail is because they have trouble getting thru the blood brain barrier. The cannabis seems to fly thru that barrier like it isn't even there. That is why we see the psychoactive effects from weed and why it may be helping brain cancer patients. For medical science to be stymied because this weed is illegal is a crime. I would think that a cannabis delivery of an effective drug to kill the cancer cells would an obvious direction for the research to go, but what do I know, I am just a stupid fucking taxpayer.