I'm looking to do a 2-3 plant grow of a top notch sativa my next go around. The strains that have my eyes open are Sannies Jack, Kali Mist, Mako Haze, Amnesia from Dinafem. I am looking for a strong sativa that yields moderately-good. I'm open for suggests, Kali Mist has been on my radar for sometime now, just worried from all the reading I have done lately that the quality isn't there anymore like it once was.
Looking for into these Sativas...
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Omgwtfbbq Indicaman
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I'm not a big grower of sativa's, as they take too long so i mess with most Hybrids and sativa dominant hybrids that have manageable flowering times.
these are from TGA
JTR/jacks cleaner f2 or Chernobyl for racy head high that taste like lemons and some like limes. non-fem seeds 8-10 weeks
Ace of Spades- Berry and lemon, unique taste but has a high similar to the JTR just a little more body and less paranoia/anxiety. has unique phenos many would love to collect.
These are from Sensi
Jack Herer- The legend, there are probably better jacks out there though! supposed to go 10-13 weeks depending on how sativa the plant is.
Nl5 x Haze- Another famous strain that has fallen into antiquity.
these are from Sannie
Sannies Jack- Probably better than Sensi's. supposed to be one of the best representations of the jack.
Killing Fields- Sick berry Sativa that can run 11-13 weeks, got one growing now almost ready to chop, smells like berry jelly, diesel fuel and citric too.
From Homegrown fantaseeds
Armageddon- Not really famous, won some awards but its got a killer smell of limes and alcohol, kinda like a martini or corona lime. taste limes throughout, 8-9 week flowering time, this girl is thick, not skinny and stretchy like most sativas are.
Blue Haze- also another cup winner, similar flowering times. Old cup winning Blueberry x Old homegrown Haze. 8-10 weeks
from Alphakronic
Bandana- sick cross of Headband 707 and snowdawg bx. 10-12 week flowering time, stretches alot. good yields and high quality, reminds me of Sour Diesel.
these are from TGA
JTR/jacks cleaner f2 or Chernobyl for racy head high that taste like lemons and some like limes. non-fem seeds 8-10 weeks
Ace of Spades- Berry and lemon, unique taste but has a high similar to the JTR just a little more body and less paranoia/anxiety. has unique phenos many would love to collect.
These are from Sensi
Jack Herer- The legend, there are probably better jacks out there though! supposed to go 10-13 weeks depending on how sativa the plant is.
Nl5 x Haze- Another famous strain that has fallen into antiquity.
these are from Sannie
Sannies Jack- Probably better than Sensi's. supposed to be one of the best representations of the jack.
Killing Fields- Sick berry Sativa that can run 11-13 weeks, got one growing now almost ready to chop, smells like berry jelly, diesel fuel and citric too.
From Homegrown fantaseeds
Armageddon- Not really famous, won some awards but its got a killer smell of limes and alcohol, kinda like a martini or corona lime. taste limes throughout, 8-9 week flowering time, this girl is thick, not skinny and stretchy like most sativas are.
Blue Haze- also another cup winner, similar flowering times. Old cup winning Blueberry x Old homegrown Haze. 8-10 weeks
from Alphakronic
Bandana- sick cross of Headband 707 and snowdawg bx. 10-12 week flowering time, stretches alot. good yields and high quality, reminds me of Sour Diesel.
Indican: thanks for the input, Im going to let u know, your going to love KF, I have done it and it's in my top 3 of alltime. Which pheno do u have? It's all good, but the Green pheno is something special. Chernobyl, JTR, and JillyBean are all on my radar from TGA. I have looked into Homegrowns Armageddon and there Cheese to do a few years ago, Is there Armageddon a good yielded and a real strong sativa?? Have u heard anything negative about Serious Seeds Kali Mist version that is out now? This is a strain that I have wanted to do for years now. Another strain on my radar is 3 Dimension by TGA, do you have any experience with this strain?
Omgwtfbbq Indicaman
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i got 3 purps and 3 greens, purple are turning amber with some clear still, others are almost all milky, i want a bit of amber trics like maybe 10%, i figure they got a week left and since im flushing this week i can harvest by monday. greens are way smellier than the purples, still like the coloration, there is one with green coloration that smells just like berry lifesavors and weed. i think the Armageddon is an excellent yielding plant, as far as the high, if you cut it milky then you will have a sativa high with some body high but nothing inhibiting or couchlocking unless you harvest later for the amber, i plan to grow more of these soon, they been on my mind for a while since the freebie i grew was akin to my liking, strong growth, stocky, spear shaped top buds, lowers were dense and more rounded. haven't heard enough bad about kali mist, if i had i probably forgot, most good strains have atleast 1 upset customer, ya know? go for the kali mist, its supposed to be fire as well.
Jer La Mota
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Ace seeds bangi haze - http://www.cannabis-seeds-bank.co.uk/cannabis-seeds-news/ace-seeds-bangi-haze/
DNA Genetics Sleestack x Skunk - https://www.rollitup.org/smoke-reports/322482-dna-sleestack-x-skunk-report.html
Sour diesel - https://www.rollitup.org/smoke-reports/414509-dansk-sour-diesel-report.html
DNA Genetics Sleestack x Skunk - https://www.rollitup.org/smoke-reports/322482-dna-sleestack-x-skunk-report.html
Sour diesel - https://www.rollitup.org/smoke-reports/414509-dansk-sour-diesel-report.html
Brick Top
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Heretic! Blasphemer!
That is a case of sacrilege, mentioning Barney's and GHS in the same message as Mr. Nice Seeds, and especially when doing so as if they are on or near to being on an equal level as Mr. Nice Seeds.
Omgwtfbbq Indicaman
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not everyone is as religious as you about breeders.
canna_420
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Super silver haze from MNS
if you cant get the cash for it, Selected Hypro Amnesia from Sannie's new breeders USC
http://www.sanniesshop.com/amnesia.html
Amnesia Underground Seeds is a ibl of Amnesia Hypro.
The selection was made on 2 parents with the features most sativa, the phenotype sativa was the most powerful and most odorous of this line!! she has very pronounced fruity taste with this odor characteristic of Amnesia!!
It does not make huge buds, but it compensates by its density, the final good production
It grows like a good sativa and multiplies its size by 3 or 4 in the stretch!
It requires little fertilizer and a moderate use of PK additives!
9 to 11 weeks of flowering
if you cant get the cash for it, Selected Hypro Amnesia from Sannie's new breeders USC
http://www.sanniesshop.com/amnesia.html
Amnesia Underground Seeds is a ibl of Amnesia Hypro.
The selection was made on 2 parents with the features most sativa, the phenotype sativa was the most powerful and most odorous of this line!! she has very pronounced fruity taste with this odor characteristic of Amnesia!!
It does not make huge buds, but it compensates by its density, the final good production
It grows like a good sativa and multiplies its size by 3 or 4 in the stretch!
It requires little fertilizer and a moderate use of PK additives!
9 to 11 weeks of flowering
Brick Top
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Originally Posted by Brick Top
Heretic! Blasphemer!
That is a case of sacrilege, mentioning Barney's and GHS in the same message as Mr. Nice Seeds, and especially when doing so as if they are on or near to being on an equal level as Mr. Nice Seeds.
That is easily enough explained. Some people don't know any better and actually believe that places like Barney's and Green House Seeds create quality products.
If they refuse to listen to those who know better, than they can learn it for themselves, the hard way.
Omgwtfbbq Indicaman
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.... or they were happy with the purchase and grew something they liked, its one thing to dog a breeder for its business practices, its another to shit on the entire list of genetics, even an idiot can breed a good strain given 20 years of practice. not every breeder bothers to make stable IBL's, some do, others want to make a quick buck trying to keep up with demand.
The Chemist Brothers
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If you are interested, Look into BrainstormXg13 Haze by delta 9 labs, i grew nearly 40 of these from seed and found a few keepers, the one i have atm i selected for compromise of Potency, its minimal stretch, 13 week flowering time, huge yields and nigh immunity to hermaphroditism. clean smooth smoke, taste like lemony and woody after 2 week cure, clear and up high with creeper effects that kick in from the g13 haze side i suppose
, stretch is about 2x-3x depending on veg time. Nice leaf/calyx proportions. The Armageddon I would also admit to loving, stuff grows strong and takes alot of stress without popping nanners, 2nd set going now off of clone and i haven't seen a pollen sack or nanner yet. Also you might like Subcool's Agent Orange or Chernobyl for sativa, very fruity and powerful.
, stretch is about 2x-3x depending on veg time. Nice leaf/calyx proportions. The Armageddon I would also admit to loving, stuff grows strong and takes alot of stress without popping nanners, 2nd set going now off of clone and i haven't seen a pollen sack or nanner yet. Also you might like Subcool's Agent Orange or Chernobyl for sativa, very fruity and powerful.
hazey grapes
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i thought LSD was more stony than it's "trippy" description and not that different from skunk #1 really with even more stone though. i've also got nada out of 2 laughing buddha seeds though the second one snapped in the peat pot hole it was trying to get out of.
i'm running a BUNCH of sativa dominants i want to test and compare including a greenhouse super lemon haze freebie as i'm not keen on their rep for hermies, but if it's free, i'll test it
you can't get mandala's 8 miles high again until '13, but i love that strain! it has a super friendly playful motivational buzz that's perfectly energy neutral and not unlike haze. it wasn't devastatingly potent, but always fun and after just a couple hits, i was more concerned about dancing the robot than taking a third hit. i like that strain best for 24/7 fun that neither puts you to sleep, nor hypes you up too much to chill out to bite you one the ass. it's just a fun euphoric ride that's more into tunes than otherwise fun, but too speedy kali mist.
my favorite strain at the moment is haze skunk even if i don't like it's cigar wrapper taste. it's crazy potent and has nice psychoactivity, but isn't as visual as columbian gold, but it's longer lasting and stronger. it's so potent that it WILL bite you if you blaze one toke too many or clear a chamber. i learned that the hard way when i blazed through 3-4 bowl hits because it wasn't expanding and started getting a little bit of room spinning dizzy out of it, but nothing like the 4 straight one hitters of gold i literally started tripping on a little just before passing out trying to stop the room from spinning.
i'll be testing their thai skunk this time and hope it's in the same league. for $35, haze skunk is a great bargain.
i have high hopes, pun intended for TGA subcool's jack's cleaner 2 which is described as trippy and it's lemon flavor sounds nicer than "cheesy" skunk phenos AND it finishes in just 9 weeks which is pretty fast for a legit sativa buzz. TGA's gear gets much love and one fan said his sativas aren't bogus mids. we'll see if the claims are true.
along the same speedy lines as kali mist, you should check C99 out as it has a similar buzz but finishes in just 55 days! that's about as close to cash cropping as you're going to get out a strain that doesn't couchlock. mosca's cindy's are supposed to be really good with nice pheno selection. joey weed's off the market grape phenos weren't shabby either though and finished in just 45 days making it a great breeder for speeding up trippier gear though mosca's version is claimed to have trippy phenos.
cinderella's son, apollo 11 is also a fast finisher with a more balanced mellow and trippy buzz. bodhi has a respected genius pheno that's worth looking into for sure. i want to test both next year. they might still be out of stock, but are worth waiting for as they finish faster than a lot of flat out indicas.
for great taste & buzz, i really like short stuff's super cali haze as it has a nice euphoric motivational buzz and delicious flavor like real grapes. my plant got stunted by a kink in it's root so i only had about a gram to sample, but it smoked just like a 1/2 gram of what i was told was simply haze elsewhere. someone here said the buzz is very short lived and wasn't impressed. i don't remember the duration, just that it tasted way better and more authentic than blueberry with a way better couchlock free buzz. it's really slow growing though at 120 days, but as a lowryder, it's more indoor friendly.
i hope to have comparisons between all of those and joey weed's C99 x A11, malawi gold, jack, auto jack, thai fantasy, sweet haze, sativa trans love, eldorado, mozambique poison, columbian gold x NL#5 & sour cream. i'm hoping they ALL get me high but am sure most of them will. if it's the real deal, holy smoke's malawi gold should be the trippiest shit i've ever grown and what i wish i had around 24/7 thought it's not going to be a cash cropper.
while you're looking for recommendations, if you like the taste of black licorice, find some good durban poison. it straight up tastes like you're smoking a stick of licorice. that's a disgusting flavor to me and when you combine that with a strain that expands likea mofo, you get "poison" (!?) that gives you the dry heaves, but you get high off it for sure. i didn't find it as trippy as columbian gold or even thai skunk, but rate the buzz as similar to what i've seen from hazes so far. despite the nausea blazing it gave me, i was more than happy to endure it in the mid 90s as that was the first time i'd gotten really high in 10 years. i wonder if my mozambique is really another version of durban.
hope that helps.
if you wanna get high, you gotta DIY. that suck's, but if you have the real deal, methinks you'll win friends and much pussy! LOL
hey indicaman... what should i expect out of my jack's cleaner 2? does it have an old school visual trippy high? i'm inclined to believe TGA's description, but it'd be nice to hear it from someone who isn't trying to sell something. i'm expecting it to go toe to toe with everything i'm testing except maybe malawi gold.
i don't care diddly about yield. i just want a top grade head stash.
Brick Top
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The reason they liked something was not that it was anything special. It was because they lack a comparative base large enough for them to then be able to know it was mediocre at best.
Three seed companies were mentioned in one message in a way that made them appear as if they were on par with each other, as if going from the products one creates to either of the others would be like picking products of equal quality rather than it being a major step down. Given those mentioned it was like comparing a couple of fence painters to Van Gogh.
I don't agree, though I would say that even a blind squirrel will find a nut now and then.
Making a strain or strains that are very stable is not always a sign of quality. If someone makes a cross, takes it to about an F7 or F8, which would make it roughly as stable as a landrace strain, but the high or stone is weak and not very pleasant or interesting and doesn't last long, even if the strain was so stable that every seed grew like it was a clone rather than a seed, that would not make it quality.
If you grow some of Scott Blakey's strains (Shantibaba's strains) you will find several distinctly different phenotypes in some of them. Scott/Shanti doesn't attempt to hide that fact. He mentions them in his breeder information.
But he has a good stable to work with, including landrace strain along with some of the very best early early crosses and he knows each plant like the back of his hand and he knows which plants will pass on more of certain wanted traits than others so he knows what to combine with what to best be able to meet his goals. That has made him the most famous and most successful, when it comes to quality, breeder of all time.
If he hadn't taken Arjan on as a business partner in Green House Seeds, to handle the business end, the marketing and advertising etc., but NOT to breed, no one would know Arjan's name today. And if Nevil hadn't become Arjan's partner in the Green House Coffee Shop and bred alone, and with Shanti, and his gear was sold along with Shanti's under the Green House Seeds name, Arjan wouldn't have as much name recognition now just from being a business partner with Shantibaba.
And what's Barney's Farm's claim to fame? A handful of Cups from the era where strains no longer win by merit and instead win because the breeder paid the most amount of money to High Times in the form of advertising dollars and who slipped the right judges some money on the side and sent a few hot enough hookers to the rooms of a few of the right judges. Gee, that sure as heck takes real true breeding talent and years of hands on experience to be able to pull that one off. A Cup win today is meaningless when it comes to an accurate judgement of what is actually best. It is just more bought and paid for advertising that gives the top bidder bragging rights for one year. It is the ultimate advertisement because so many growers, made up of newbies and Beavis and Butthead growers who are dumb enough to believe that a Cup win still carries some form of credibility with it.
Dizzle Frost
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Your Wrong
I dotn agree with Bricktop usualy , but in this case i gotta say hes right.... its not about being religios about breeders, its about quality... i jus got done growing soem Mango Haze from Mr Nice and ill say its soem of the finest quality herb ive grown hands down! It gets me high like old sativa weed used to , which is sayng alot. GHS is garbage and Barneys puts out a few good ones but there deff not in the same high quality as Mr Nice.
and Hazey Grapes ... i see your back with your bullshit again you assclown
Brick Top
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Anyone here who has seen Dizz and I going back and forth know that I couldn't warm up to him if we were cremated together, and I am NOT saying the following because he supported what I have said.
But he is right, Mr. Nice Seeds products are on a different level of quality than those of GHS and Barney's, and if GHS and Barney's want to take a look at what a top quality line looks like they have to bend their heads WAY BACK to be able to look up high enough above the level their lines are at to be able to get a look at Shanti's.
What Dizz said about Mango Haze is a fact. It is more than just special. It is true connoisseur weed, and it's not the only strain in the line that can rightfully be described as being connoisseur weed.
If someone is satisfied with Wal-Mart grade genetics from places like Green House Seeds and Nirvana and the slightly better line from Barney's, that's Kool and the Gang with me. If that's all they want to grow, I could not possibly care any less regardless of how hard I tried.
But when people equate low-grade to mid-grade genetics with top of the line genetics someone has to say something, someone has to set the record straight. If not a bunch of noobs and inexperienced growers will be mislead resulting in them purchasing low to mid-grade genetics created by pollen chuckers, but thinking they purchased top of the line genetics.
I have said it repeatedly. If someone wants the best they have to educate themselves on who is a top quality breeder and who is not, and they cannot rely on the baseless opinions of those who lump lower echelon breeders together with high line breeders.
Dizzle Frost
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yes we did have some spattle, but shit happens ..im sorry it went that road ... life is short
Well put on the post , ill back that up about the Mango, i just put a bowl out about 10 mins ago and in just getting into it now....gets you almost a drunk feeling.....pure stash IMO , no fucking around genetics wise here.
Its not even you get what you pay for with GHS or Barneys , niether is what id call cheap in price....ive never waster soil or money on GHS becuase i have no respect for Arjan or the crap he sells, ive smoked some of his stuff i can honestly say its no diff than anyone elses, in a blind test youd never pick it out.....lemmie wrap up a Mango Haze joint and i can garentee you will ask me WTF that was you jus smoked.
i cant wait to fire up the Nevilles Haze i got waiting around to
morale of the story is....dont waste your money on shit.... if your gonna drop soem coin buy soem Mr.Nice and thank us later, nothing else comapres to the real deal.
Well put on the post , ill back that up about the Mango, i just put a bowl out about 10 mins ago and in just getting into it now....gets you almost a drunk feeling.....pure stash IMO , no fucking around genetics wise here.
Its not even you get what you pay for with GHS or Barneys , niether is what id call cheap in price....ive never waster soil or money on GHS becuase i have no respect for Arjan or the crap he sells, ive smoked some of his stuff i can honestly say its no diff than anyone elses, in a blind test youd never pick it out.....lemmie wrap up a Mango Haze joint and i can garentee you will ask me WTF that was you jus smoked.
i cant wait to fire up the Nevilles Haze i got waiting around to
morale of the story is....dont waste your money on shit.... if your gonna drop soem coin buy soem Mr.Nice and thank us later, nothing else comapres to the real deal.
Brick Top
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Some will likely argue that some names in the following list do not belong there because they are not as high of quality as they once were, and others will argue that a few more names should be added to the list. But in my experience, these are the best of the best, the cream of the crop, the pros among pros. They're not all totally equal, but these are the guys that would make it into the playoffs.
In no particular order:
Mr. Nice Seeds
Paradise Seeds
PeakSeeds BC
Hemcy Genetics
Black Label Seeds
De Sjamaan Seeds
DJ Short
Dutch Passion
Serious Seeds
Sensi Seeds
Flying Dutchman
Spice of Life Seeds
White Label Seeds
Sagarmatha used to be one.
Reeferman used to be one.
JoeyWeed used to be one.
Brick Top
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i cant wait to fire up the Nevilles Haze i got waiting around to
I had a nice treat recently. I found a small jar of MNS Neville's Haze that had become separate from the rest of the crop that was in larger jars. It had to have been in the jar for somewhere between a year and a year and a half. The rest was in jars for roughly three to six months, but what unintentionally received the much longer cure was a real treat. The aroma was better, the flavor was better, the high was better, as in a higher high, a more intense high and a longer lasting high. It's the stuff that legends are made of.
When it comes to Haze strains, and I mean actual real true Haze strains and NOT the number of FAKE Haze strains out today, Shantibaba and Nevil have been the Kings of Haze for many, many, many years, and their other work could not accurately be described as being shabby. For them to release a strain to the public it has to meet their standards, and their standards are high.