Looking for something to put me on my ass and something to take me to the clouds

ZEN MASTER

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Hey what 's up to everybody out there today. I've just finished my third harvest of bagseed, and i feel i'm ready to order some top quality seeds. Now here's my question. First off i'm looking for low odor, short flower perio(6-8wks),decent yeild, and a high thc content, what ever that may be worth, but i would like for the content to be up there. Now with that being said i would like an indica that will put me down, be very fast acting and at the same time have the ability to cause mild to wild hallucinations as it takes over me. As for the sativa i'm looking for something that might make me hallucinate hard, also i would like for it to be very fast acting. You know something that will take me straight to the clouds(no waiting), while taking me on a mind trip, you know what i mean, a real up, up type of high. And since i am a writer, i would also like for it to be something that will expand my mind and make think of some wild shit. I guess something that can motivate and inspire creativity.also some nice bag appeal would be nice, but it's not important.
Well i hope that i was able to give enough information on what i'm looking for. Any and all comments, suggestions, advice, or just good stories will be greatly appreciated
hey in advance i would like to thank any responders, and hell any body that takes some time to read this. Have an awesome day!!!



PEACE!!!
-ZEN-
 

Rocky Top High

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Those are some pretty tough "requirements". The 6-8 weeks is what is going to "get ya" when looking for a Sativa. I love Sativas but from my experience, they need 10+ weeks for some hybrids and as long as 14+ weeks for the pure Sativa high you are looking for. I once grew some Thai and it flkowered for 17 weeks but boy was it worth it. Talk about a "thinking mans high", that was IT! I am sure there are some starins that will meet your requirements but I can't really come up with one.

As far as a decent yield...low odor...high THC, take a look at Seedsman White Widow. It pretty much meets those requirements but I let mine flower for 9-10 weeks. You could get by with 9 weeks but I wouldn't cut it much less than that. Here are a few pics of Seedsman gear. It is very affordable and the genetics are the best WW I have ever smoked or grew. Take a look...
 

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ZEN MASTER

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thanks rock, oh yea btw"OH MY GOD". man that looks excellent. i guess that would be the indica you would recommend. i have heard good things about that WW, i was just so scared that with all of the resin it produces that it would stink up the place, so is it just that particular breeder's line that has a low odor, or is it the strain period. i will definitely check out seedsman, probably go through Attitude,would you reccomend regular, or fem.? as far as the sativa i dont know what i was thinking while i was typing that, but if i could get away with 10wks that would be awesome. so thanks rocky i am definitely going to go with the WW, cause like i said i heard that it really brings it. but stellar pics man, really. i'll stay on the lookout for that sativa though.


HEY EVERYBODY THAT DONT MEAN THAT THE THREAD IS DONE
WE STILL GOT A WHOLE LOT MORE ROOM IN HERE FOR SOME
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PEACE!!!!
-ZEN-
 

Hobbes

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" i'm looking for low odor, short flower perio(6-8wks),decent yeild, and a high thc content ... i would like an indica that will put me down, be very fast acting and at the same time have the ability to cause mild to wild hallucinations as it takes over me."

I don't know about the hallucination but this one will fill the rest of your requirments:


Endless Sky

[Iranian Indica X Grenadine]

Excellent Yield
Mold Resistant

OUR MOST POPULAR PLANT!

Potency: 4½ out of 5
Bouquet: Earthy, floral
42 - 45 days flower

http://www.drgreenthumb.com/cannabis_seeds_GreenthumbSeedsEntrance.htm

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"As for the sativa i'm looking for something that might make me hallucinate hard, also i would like for it to be very fast acting. You know something that will take me straight to the clouds(no waiting), while taking me on a mind trip, you know what i mean, a real up, up type of high. And since i am a writer, i would also like for it to be something that will expand my mind and make think of some wild shit. I guess something that can motivate and inspire creativity."

Take a look at this list of strains I'm growing, and am going to grow. I'm not sure you'll find one strain to fill all of your requirements because you're looking for effects on both ends of several bisecting spectrum (I've been watching Star Gate). Think about getting feminized singles of several strains and keeping the strains you like. (ps - WW is a great choice)

http://www.pickandmixseeds.co.uk/

http://www.seedbankupdate.com/su.html

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bongsmilie
 

Hobbes

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Big Laughing - Dr Greenthumb
Bubblegum - Serious Seeds
Kali Mist - Serious Seeds
Red Diesel - Barney's Farm
Strawberry Cough - Dutch Passion
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Blueberry - (DJ Short) Dutch Passion




AK47 - Serious Seeds: Rocket Fuel. Up, soaring, not functional. One hit, incredibly potent. Stinks like cat piss and dead skunk. Or perhaps smells as if a cat pissed on a skunk and the smell was so bad the skunk died, then the cat dragged the skunk into a garbage bag and left it in the sun for a week. Get odor control if you're doing this strain.

Alaskan Ice - Greenhouse: one of the strongest cannabis plants ever bred .. a cross of original Green House White Widow and Pure Haze ... has all the well known characteristics of the White Widow, with a much higher THC content and a very sativa-like effect, energizing and very trippy. CBD level is also very high at over 1%, giving it a complete physical effect that follows the first burst of high. The taste is spicy and hazy, with a very well balanced bouquet in between the White Widow and the Haze flavors.

Arjan's Haze #3 - Greenhouse: Euphoric, cerebral high with trippy undertones.

Big Laughing - Dr Greenthumb: instant mood changer, you will not be able to stop laughing, up silly high, very potent. Easy to grow, forgiving. Amazing spicy wood taste, you never want to exhale. My favorite strain.

Bubblegum - Serious Seeds: uplifting, euphoric, clear, social.

Cheese - Big Bhudda: appealing fruity fresh smell, uplifting effect, highly pungent hence its name! No ceiling high, little tolerance build up.

Cheese S1 Feminized seeds from original clone - Dr Greenthumb
: Uplifting high that lasts four hour, unusual cheesy smell with deeply pungent earthy taste.

Durban Poison - Dutch Passion: The plant produces a Thai-like aniseed smell similar to licorice. A husky, earthy taste pleasant to the smoker. Durban Poison is well known for it's "up - feel good" high that produces an energetic, trip effect. A good beginner strain, inside or out, does well under artificial light, 8-9 week flower, 100% Sativa.

F13 - DJ Short: F-13 a Holy Grail plant of four-star excellence. Previously unreleased, a very desirable product and potential breeder. A more sativa hybrid of medium height with long, spear-shaped, dense and resinous buds and an earlier finish-time than most sativa. The superlative quality of the finished product is remarkable: A clear, clean, crisp head of the kindest order. This girl really rings the bell every time! Not for the couch-lock crowd, this heady sativa is for those who truly enjoy its stimulating yet comfortable appeal. A real day-brightener. DJ's personal favorite from this batch. Grow Location: Indoor Flowering: 7 - 9 weeks Yield: Average

Flo - (DJ Short) Dutch Passion: Unique motivating high.

Jack Flash (Jack Herer) - Sensi
: Exotic high, powerful on body and mind. Trippy. The best Jack Herer is often passed around a select circle of friends - an example of one of those things that money just can’t buy. The trait common to all Jack Herer phenotypes is a dazzling double-edged potency - a stratospheric cerebral high underpinned by a breathtaking body-buzz with seismic power. Smokers should be prepared to feel the earth shake beneath their feet - which can be a very pleasant feeling when your head is firmly in the clouds. The cat's meow.

Kali Mist - Serious Seeds: up, clear, energized, no ceiling. Top sativa today, so says the advertising.

Power Plant - Dutch Passion: Pure Power Plant has a pleasant almost pine after taste and a powerful up social buzz. Large yield, 8-9 weeks flower, VERY odorous in late flowering. The smoke after 15 days of drying and 15 of curing is soft,smooth,sweet,fruity (mainly citrus and orange) with piney undertones. The effect is mainly in the head ,uplifting with a good potency without body effect; very good day smoking, almost inspiring.

Red Diesel - Barney's Farm: up and trippy.

Skunk #1 (Original) - Seedsman: Like the origional Cheese: a sweet smell and taste with a cerebral high.

Strawberry Cough - Dutch Passion: up, clear, mild, melts anxiety, good all day bud.

Super Silver Haze - Greenhouse: Potent. Potent. Potent. Creepy and powerful on the body. 4 phenos, the best sativa pheno: Smell is fairly strong floral & spicey with a hint of sweetness. Taste is very spicey with a great hazey slightly sweet aftertaste. The high is a stupifying mix of Sativa and Indica effects. The Sativa side is visual mentally confusing (hard to think straight/concentrate) while the Indica is just enough to relax the body (kill the pain) & take away most of the edgy racey paranoia feeling of the Haze.

Texada Timewarp - (Peak has been out for a year-who?): up high, beautiful lemony fresh smelling buds. Great producing strain outdoors, very dependable. Can grow to 12' outdoors. TT is from Vancouver Island, British Columbia, Canada - good for short growing seasons.

Trainwreck - Greenhouse: Effect: Like the name suggests, a real blast. It hits fast, and it hits hard. Stoney on the body, confusing and trippy on the brain. A truly powerful smoke.

White Widow - Seedsman: Unique, refreshing taste, strong skunky smell, mind-blowing, sugary appearance, one of the finest quality highs you could ever experience. A few tokes of White Widow and you’ll be sent into a floating utopia. A light and airy high bursting with energy, White Widow is a classic, psychedelic sativa strain not to be missed.

I also have Blueberry - (DJ Short) Dutch Passion and am going to get Medicine Man - Mr Nice (or White Rhino - Greenhouse), but they're obviously not sativas so they didn't make the list.

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http://www.drgreenthumb.com/cannabis...dsEntrance.htm
http://www.cannabis-seeds-bank.co.uk/
http://www.pickandmixseeds.co.uk/

If you're from the States, Attitude has a small Pick n Mix section if you want feminized singles. They ship to the US while the Pick n Mix seedbank does not. Greenthumb ships to the US.
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Know your own stone

by DJ Short (01 Sept, 1999) An educated and descerning palate is a key requirement in breeding and appreciating cannabis.

An educated palate


The breeding and production of fine quality cannabis is more an art than a science. A creative mind and sense of imagination is necessary to achieve success in this field. The other requirement is a very discerning palate, including the ability to discern and appreciate subtle variations in taste, smell and mental experience.

Anatomically, the palate is located between the roof of the mouth and the nasal passages. The intricacies of taste and palate are complex and poorly understood. The taste buds in the tongue and mouth make up only a small fraction of the mechanisms used to interpret taste and smell.

Olfaction is the term used to describe the sense of smell. The olfactory bulb is the main sensor used to experience and interpret smells. This organ is located behind the nasal passages – up your nose. The sense of smell is one of the most complex we possess, and more of the brain is dedicated to processing smells than any other sense. Smell is closely related to memory, especially older memories. Anatomically, this region is located between the cortex and the occipital lobes, above and around the ears to the top of the head.

Research and experience suggest that some people have a greater natural ability to discern taste and smell than others. The palate can also be developed, educated and refined.

There are many similarities between the wine industry and the cannabis industry. One of these is that both use "expert palates" to identify and discern the various desirable traits of a product. However, unlike wine, cannabis has another added aspect to consider: the type of experience produced by the product. Alcohol's main experience is similar (and overconsumption can be fatal) while cannabis provides a wide range of effects and is non-toxic.

Some herb is strictly pleasing to the mental palate but is not so tasty, while other might taste great but have mild or unpleasant effects.

Spectrums of experience

The first spectrum to consider is the "up and down" experience. "Up" refers to the stimulating aspects of cannabis, while "down" refers to sedative qualities. Up pot tends to liven the disposition and stimulate the emotions, inspiring sociability and talkativeness. Down pot tends to produce sedative and depressant effects. Some people refer to stimulating pot as being a "head" high and sedative pot as being a "body" high, yet although partially true this is also misleading.

Body and head highs are the next spectrum of the cannabis experience. Generally speaking, head highs are stimulating and body highs are sedative, but not all are. Some body highs are stimulating and some head highs are depressing. I once sampled a terribly paranoia-inducing head pot that inspired great couch lock qualities. I called it Boo-Goo.

Early to late harvest will affect the head to body spectrum expressed by a certain plant, with the later harvest tending to produce more body and sedative effects. However, I believe that certain aspects of this spectrum to be genetically inherited.

Next to consider are aspects of duration. Some cannabis tends to be short-acting (15-30min) whereas other varieties last much longer (6-7 hours). Once again production, harvesting and curing techniques can influence aspects of this spectrum, but much of this effect is inherited.

For me, the most important aspect of the cannabis experience to consider is tolerance. This refers to the product's ability to provide the same experience via the same amount over time – the burnout factor. By "over time" I mean the long run: months, years, decades...

Most of the cannabis I see on the market today has a terrible tolerance factor – a quick burnout time with the product's novelty lasting less than a week. Luther Burbank's model of breeding needs to be employed here and no expression of tolerance to your product is to be tolerated. An example of where intolerance to tolerance is tolerated – enough already!

Another aspect of tolerance is "ceiling." This refers to how high (or far) one is capable of going with the variety. How many hits can you consume until more hits are unnoticeable? Most indicas have a low ceiling of less than 10 hits. For me that's usually around 5 hits in one smoking session. If I smoke more than 5 hits of a strong indica I will either not notice the post-ceiling hits, or I will fall asleep.

Some sativas have a very high ceiling, or seem to have none at all! This means that the more you consume, the higher and further you go. Oaxaca Highland Gold, Black Magic African, and Highland Thai were some of the herbs I've tried with very high or no ceiling.

The final aspect of mental effects to consider when sampling strains for breeding is the tendency to produce anxiety. Certain strains of cannabis increase anxiety while others decrease it. This is also true for other emotions, which some strains may suppress while others may augment their intensity. Generally stimulating and head varieties are the ones that can produce unwanted anxiety, but this is not always the case. Quickly cured buds or an over-early harvest are contributing factors to anxiety-increasing pot, but this trait is also genetic in nature.


Tastes and tasters

The physical palates of cannabis add another dimension to the equation. Taste is an important factor toward determining the desirability of most cannabis. The range of flavours expressed by the genus cannabis is extraordinary. No other plant on the planet can equal the cacophony of smells and tastes available from cannabis. This fact alone should interest researchers from several fields.

The range of possible smells and tastes a human can experience is large and complex. To date, no-one has created a fully usable olfaction chart, but Ann Noble developed a nifty "aroma wheel" for the wine industry, which inspired me to develop a cannabis olfaction chart. Like Ann's wheel, more basic aroma categories like "fruity", "floral", "spicy" and "pungent" go in the centre, and branch out into more specific aromas. So beneath "fruity" goes "berry" and "citrus", and beneath "citrus" is "lemon", "lime" and "orange".

The main cannabis aromas are: woody, spicy, fruity, earthen, pungent, chemical and vegetative – a wide range indeed. More specific aromas include pine and cedar under "woody", musty and dusty for "earthen", blueberry and mango under "fruity", and many others. Most aromas are possible through some combination of strains. Many of these strains were best expressed and acclimated when they were grown outdoors in their region-of-origin, or homeland.

Note that aroma and flavour vary between various stages of the plant. The aroma of a live bud on the plant, a dried and cured bud, and the smoke on the inhale and exhale, may all be different from each other. My number one goal when breeding cannabis is the quality of the perfectly matured, trimmed and cured bud and the experience it provides.

I strongly recommend the use of "tasters" to help analyze the qualities of a given smoke. I prefer highly educated, seasoned and critical elders as they tend to be the most helpful in their analysis and feedback. If there is the slightest drawback to the product, such as arrhythmia, tachycardia, paranoia, or what have you, the experienced elder taster will be the first to notice it. By the same token, if a product is exceptionally fine, the experienced elder taster will also likely be among the first to fully appreciate this. Besides, the elders always appreciate good medicine.

The best way to educate and train the palate is through experience. Unfortunately, there has been a great depletion of variance among the product available to the public. Most grow-ops focus on quantity over quality, and as a result a general blandness has developed. In future articles I will describe some of the great region-of-origin varieties that were available twenty years ago, describing their aroma, flavour, effects, and growth patterns.
 

ZEN MASTER

Well-Known Member
Damn hobbes,.....fuck. Thats a lot of good shit. Wow, first you give me what i want. Then you give me the why i want it. Thanks dude. It might be a little something under your tree(+rep)this evening.

Side note: I'm in tx. Do you think i would have the least amount of shipping issues with dr.greenthumb, or with cannabis-seeds? It just so happens that about aweek ago i was looking at dr. Green's site, and i was just hoping and praying that they were legit. Because #1 that endless sky looks like the shit, and they were really pumping it up, and telling us how much of the shit it is. And reason #2 is they are really expensive. Haven't checked out cannabis -seeds but i will later. Get back at me man.



Peace!!!!
-zen-
again man wow! Good looking out.
 

Hobbes

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"I'm in tx. Do you think i would have the least amount of shipping issues with dr.greenthumb, or with cannabis-seeds (Attitude)?"

I think you'll be fine with either. US Customs will be more relaxed around incoming mail from the Great White North than from Europe, but I've never read of anyone being caught getting seeds from Attitude. Both Greenthumb and Attitude are very stealthy and there's no way to know that there are seeds inside the package. If you're getting from Attitude and are worried about stealth get the T-Shirt and customs will assume that's all that's in the package. And give padding.

"It just so happens that about aweek ago i was looking at dr. Green's site, and i was just hoping and praying that they were legit. Because #1 that endless sky looks like the shit, and they were really pumping it up, and telling us how much of the shit it is. And reason #2 is they are really expensive."

Expensive but for me worth it. An internet friend told me about ES and BL, he's a knowledgable grower who's been at it awhile and he was incredibly impressed with Endless Sky. I've just done Big Laughing and a kush I blieve (mix pack) and I'm sold. Big Laughing is phenominal.

"Haven't checked out cannabis -seeds but i will later. "

Attitude is a great company, genetics from world class breeders as good or better than Greenthumb at 1/4 the cost. Check out their single seed section.

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bongsmilie
 

bballdude692006

Active Member
yeah i didnt feel like reading your requirements however i know jack frost is the best i've ever had and had me comatose for like an hour str8 before i even moved or responded to anything
 

Hobbes

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bball is this the Jack Frost you mean? What's the high like?

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JACKFROST

GoldenSeed's "Jack Frost" has been painstakingly developed over the last five years, using only the best of each crop for breeding in order to constantly improve the potency, appearance and aroma of this unique strain. Jack Herrer, White Widow and Northern Lights#5, direct from the Sensiseed shop in Amsterdam, have been progressively bred in before introducing a wild, personally collected Rainbow Kashmiri to the mix which is now in it's third year of exclusive inbreeding, JackFrost pollen hand brushed onto Jackfrost females, to make them reliable.

No other strain delivers surface resin in the kind of quantity she does, enough to harvest charas from if you have the skill, and we're talking about charas better than most made in the Himalayas, as you'll be ultra careful in its harvest, not something common over there. From my personal experience of spending most of the 70s in Kashmir, India, and Nepal learning about charas, as well as Pakistan and Afghanistan where I learned about hashish, I'm confident that Jackfrost is finer than anything I've ever seen, and I guarantee you won't have grown, or seen anything better. All challenges are welcome, in the form of seed, I'm always interested in 'Pushing the envelope!' - Agricolas-father of JackFrost.



  • Genetics: Jack Herrer x White Widow x Northern Lights#5
  • Variety: Pure sativa
  • Type: Stabilized Hybrid, True-Breeding
  • Potency: 9 out of 10
  • Yield: 2/3 ounces
  • Stature: Mainly tall sativa
  • Phenotype: Sativa/indica mix
  • Indoor: 55 to 65 days Outdoor: Mid October
  • Thc: content 22.6%
  • Effect: Powerful high and great special taste
  • YIELD PER PLANT IS BASED ON 100% ORGANIC NUTRIENTS & SOIL IN 6 LITER CONTAINERS
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Satisfied grower's


This Is by far one if not the best smoke live tried/grown, bag appeal 10/10 if grown good you end up with multiple colored buds from red,blue,purple,yellow,black.



Potency is killer 9/10 maybe even 10 people who smoked tell me its Next-generation weed, j's often leaving your tongue,throat,face numb and then after a few minutes body.



Taste/smell. very fruity. grape berry mix (most amazing tasting weed hard to describe) the smell is almost perfumery very plea sent and strong.



Buzz 10/10 Start off with a quick rush to the head total cerebral / paranoia after each inhale, after a few min's to 10mins after the joint is done a major creep of numbness and stoneyness leaves you on your ***.



Easy to grow, can withstand lots of stress without hermie or other problems.
Stable from over a decade of breeding and workin with it... its a cross of white widow x jack herrer x northan lights 5 x haze x rainbow kashmiri.....


The potency was absolutely amazing... a little too much in fact. The trimmings were a more enjoyable smoke, since the bud itself would leave you immobile and drooling. Both phenos are fairly harsh smokes, but the sativa pheno burns with a honey or cake smell, while the indica pheno has a more earthy or redwood type taste..........


The sativa pheno is very energetic, I remember myself jumping up and down like an idiot with a huge grin on my face after I took my first hit of it. It's not a very long high, no more than 90 minutes, but considering the potency it's more than enough. Luckily it does let you down easy so it's a good morning/daytime smoke..........................

http://www.goldenseed.co.uk/gs/jackfrost.html

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I'm sold, looks fantastic.

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Bongsmilie
 

ZEN MASTER

Well-Known Member
Hey bball, what up. Man that suomds like some excellent dope. Would i be able to get that through attitude? Would you say that it is better than white widow, or northern lights in individual comparisons.

Hey hobbs, once again thanks for the extra info really gives life to the paper doll. What are you some kinda fact finder or something????lol.



Peace!!!
-zen-
 

ZEN MASTER

Well-Known Member
Just a littlte question. What are you guys growing in your garden, and if its not the same, what is your smoke of choice, and what kind of high does it give you?
Right now i'm smoking on some bagseed that i have been cloning over and over(too scared to buy seeds). But here's the crazy part that i've come to accept as being the norm, no matter how good i thought it was when i first smoked it(not to mention how much it freaking cost me)it could not even come close to the power that it has when i grow it myself. That's why i'm ready to step up to the majors, and grow as much as i possibly can, non-stop. And since i don't sell.........
It's all for me, yea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




Peace!!!
-zen-
 
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