Magnetic vs Digital Ballasts.

bajafox

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I've had both, my plants would be dead if I still ran a magnetic ballast. My ambient temperature in my room went up during cool days. I never got my temperatures to stick under 90 for a 12 hour period. Then I switched to a Lumatek digital ballast. For weeks my temps stuck around 82 - 86 until this recent heat wave in SoCal, I just switched it down from 600w Super Lumens to 360w, now my temps are at a reasonable 88 - 91 during the hottest part of the day. I accidentally left it on at full power the other day and my temps were at 95, with the magnetic ballast I have no doubt my tent would have hit 100+.

Good luck with whatever you go with, I'd gladly put up the $200 a year for my digital ballast over that magnetic p.o.s. I was using.
 

cowboylogic

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Did we forget that digital offers the ability to run MH as well ass HPS. One light setup for veg and flower. Not saying this takes the cake but for some its a money saver for confined spaces.
You can run a MH in a HPS ballast. But not an HPS in a MH ballast. And the new Lumatek switchable ballasts will fire a CMH along with Hortilux bulbs.
 

cowboylogic

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And of course you can get MH bulbs that are compatible with a HPS (cheaper magnetic) ballast - a cheaper solution than a switchable digital ballast.
Any regular MH bulb will fire in an HPS ballast with no worries.. No need to buy a conversion bulb. If you go magnetic the get and HPS. Then your good too go with either bulb.
 

assasinofyouth420

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I have the Lumated digital 400. I keep it out of my grow area but I still feel it to make sure nothing is wrong and it always stays pretty cool (comparative to magnetics). I went with digital because it was only a little bit more than comparable Sun Systems copper wound ballast.
 

Carthoris

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Bajafox, that's due to your inadequate ventilation more than anything. Wouldn't moving the ballast outside the grow room (as simple as drilling 1 hole and a piece of tape to lightproof it) have fixed the issue, or perhaps getting a better fan. The 200 bucks you probably spent on the digital when you already had a magnetic could of been used to a) buy a room ac and ran it for a couple months b) buy a better exhaust fan c) buy an awesome air cooled hood d) got you a CO2 setup, with CO2, with your temps, CO2 would help not kill your plants.

Also, if its getting 100 degrees in your cab, you definitely need to rethink your approach. Whats the point of having a 600w if you can only run it at 350 watt because your grow room is inadequate to deal with the heat?

Its like buying a big fin for your car. Technically it helps you stay on the road at high speeds - but your car doesn't go fast enough to need it. I think most people just buy it because it seems 'cool'. Yes, digital ballasts are sexy, but they don't make sense yet. Id like to thank all you early adopters of it for making it profitable for a company to give you beta testing products, but until it is as reliable as a magnetic and closer to the same price, whats the point? In their main function, turning the light on and keeping it on, Magnetics rule the day due to reliability and cost. Its not like its a car and people are going to see it, its just sitting in a closet or a room somewhere.

If money is no object and you are OK with digital reliability, go for it. Most people look at the cost vs performance. Magnetics are cheaper in both short term and long term. If you bought a digital today, by the time you saved the difference in energy it will be outdated and we will have plasma lights. Heat and Weight are the only 2 things that digital has over magnetic, and I think I can live with a heavy box that puts out a little more heat, especially when it can be put outside the cabinet.
 

bajafox

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Bajafox, that's due to your inadequate ventilation more than anything. Wouldn't moving the ballast outside the grow room (as simple as drilling 1 hole and a piece of tape to lightproof it) have fixed the issue, or perhaps getting a better fan. The 200 bucks you probably spent on the digital when you already had a magnetic could of been used to a) buy a room ac and ran it for a couple months b) buy a better exhaust fan c) buy an awesome air cooled hood d) got you a CO2 setup, with CO2, with your temps, CO2 would help not kill your plants.
Hello Carthoris, thanks for your reply.

My point is that with the exact same set up I have now, if I were to replace my digital ballast for the magnetic ballast, in the exact same spot under the exact same conditions, my magnetic ballast would make everything hotter. I know this because the only thing I've changed from when I did have heating issues to where I don't, was my ballast.

Also, if its getting 100 degrees in your cab, you definitely need to rethink your approach. Whats the point of having a 600w if you can only run it at 350 watt because your grow room is inadequate to deal with the heat?
There is nothing to rethink, my set up is perfectly dialed in. The point of running 360w is because I CAN, and when I choose to and the conditions are good, which is 80% of the time in San Diego, I can run it at 600w Super Lumens. Can you do that with a magnetic ballast? Once the heat wave is over I'm back to 600w SL at a comfortable 78 - 84 degree's and according to the weather, it should be within a week :weed:
 
***More lumen output...20%-30% more lumens output...More light equals more yield***

The above is Lumatek's claim. I have no way of knowing, but if true it is a huge difference.
 

mr.smileyface

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I recentlty bought two digital 1000 watters that are dimmable to 750,600.
I noticed about 20 % more light and less heat in the room. Those old magnetic ones are garbage. They give off so much unwanted heat and they hum more than a hooker on wensday.
I know a guy who recently bought 20 brand new digitals. He was getting 1.8 with Purple kush, connisuer(an), and old ballasts. He wasnt happy with 1.8 off purple kush. So he spend the extra 7 grand to get 20 digitals. Now he gets 2.2 a light. Thats on a larger scale. More light in the room, the more it adds up. So the extra lumens the digitals pumps out made a huge differnce. I havent heard of anyone getting 2.2 off purple kush. cept for him.
I think im sold on digitals because you could run a flipflop and save the start up fee on the ballasts. They have a three year warranty
 

cowboylogic

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If you say so. But then why do they make compatible bulbs?
I say so and know so. So they can take uninformed folks like yourself's money. I have read some of your posts. Your not really all that in the know.

Lumateks dimmable ballasts are the Catass IMO.
 

Carthoris

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SpanishFly:
A MH ballast and the HPS sodium ballast are essentially the same thing, the only difference being an igniter. I have actually wired the ballasts from my MH's in place of my HPS and they fired just fine. A switchable ballast is only a HPS ballast that has a switch that turns the igniter off and on. So if you have a HPS ballast, you could a) just try it. It most likely will work, or b) add a switch in (make sure its good enough) for like 5-10 bucks that disconnects the igniter in MH mode. (this is how a switchable works) Absolute worst case scenario is the bulb will pop. Its not like its going to burn the house down. The bulb is the weak point in the circuit, like a fuse. Just the same, I always test mine in the garage where its all concrete. I have about 10 different brands of MH 400w ballasts, and 1 hps ballast. I was testing the 400w hps to see if I could add an igniter in and make it work. The couple I tried worked, though who knows how it affects the bulb life. I had 30 400w MH's before I even started growing. lol, thats 12000 watts.

Bajafox:
I wasn't saying you sucked. However, 100 dollars worth of fan might let you run your cab at ambient temps and allow you to run the 600 all year long full blast. Everything is a trade off, you are trading 100 bucks for a few degrees temp change, a fan might do the same thing. I air condition my grow, so the temperatures never change for me.

Alaric:
With 6 1000's thats about 1000 dollars extra you spent buying digital. How many degrees difference did you notice in your grow, and how much money would it have taken to remedy the heat difference? Simply moving the ballasts to a isolated spot would of make the entire heat difference a moot point wouldn't it of? Do you run CO2?


Everyone:
Noticing a difference and actually measuring a difference are two different things. Putting a new lightbulb in does the same thing, and I imagine most people get a new lightbulb if they are spending 400 on a ballast. Anyone reading actually measured lumen output from digital vs magnetic using same hood, bulb, ect?
 

Carthoris

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Spanishfly: Forgot to explain the igniter. It only does anything while the bulb is starting up, once the bulb starts, it is just kind of there. So once the MH is lit, it stops trying to ignite it and works the same as a switchable would. Thats why MH's will light up in a HPS.
 

bajafox

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Bajafox:
I wasn't saying you sucked. However, 100 dollars worth of fan might let you run your cab at ambient temps and allow you to run the 600 all year long full blast. Everything is a trade off, you are trading 100 bucks for a few degrees temp change, a fan might do the same thing. I air condition my grow, so the temperatures never change for me.
No worries, it's really difficult to understand someone's demeanor through a discussion board.

The reason I haven't done the simple upgrade is because I'm doing a major upgrade in a few weeks/months so until then the setup I have works just fine. I monitor my temps almost hourly since I am unemployed. I'm running a DR120W which is suitable for 400w, just so happens I was able to circulate enough air to actually run it at 600w SL when the conditions are good, which is the majority of the time. :D

Happy Growing
 

Carthoris

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Baja, I have a stanley blower I modded for mine, and it keeps my grow 2-5 degrees over ambient. I have a second one, and if I hooked that up, I bet I could keep it almost ambient. I spent about 50 bucks all told on each stanley blower and they do 250 cfm or something like that. Real cfms, not the make believe ones on the boxes.

I really had the digital in my cart online, and I completely changed my mind by writing down the pros and cons of each and calculating the total cost over the operating life of each ballast. Its not a money thing, I have enough money to build whatever room I want, its a value thing.
 

bajafox

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To each his or her own right? :D I am the same, money was not the issue for my ballast, it was about preference and the Lumatek seemed to fit my needs perfectly. I already had the magnetic one that I had bought off craigslist on an unbelievable deal. I sold it for $100 and purchased my $200 digital ballast, in the end, it was definitely all about value as I paid close to half for my new digital ballast using the old magnetic that I pretty much inherited on a packaged deal.
 

sonar

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Great post! +rep

However I just referenced one of my electrical textbooks and according to the author, digital ballasts can run up to 20% more efficient than magnetic and can significantly extend bulb life. Don't know if that's still enough to offset the cost, but I think like everything electronic the price will eventually go down and in time digital will be the norm.
 
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