Making your own Plant Probiotic Brew

I've been reviewing my notes on making my own LAB Lacto Acid Bacillus which is the base for EM1.
Microbes cultivated and used for protecting plants from pathogens and digest nutrients in the soil to enhance growth.
And I have some questions in light of a product called P3 that is being sold as the magic bullet when it comes to adding your soil with microbeasties!

• Cultivaing bacterica
  1 cup whole grain rice
  2 cups h20 sans chloride
  Shake well store in closed container that has equal air space to material volume
  let set 3-5 days with top covered with paper towel room temp sans uv rays
  with syringe remove 7oz clear serum from infected mixture
  
  Separating bacteria LAB from hood of every bacteria from a-z
  Place 7oz bacterial serum into container with 70oz of whole milk raw is possible any well do
  Let set one week (7 days) as with the rice water mixture above
  Cheese will form on top remove feed to animals or add to compost
  remaining is your LAB separated out for use as you see fit. Approximate 1000ml 1 liter
  That's freaking easy you now have your very own hard working great for everything BACILLUS
  
  Storage
  You can keep in airtight container in fridge up to 3 years, goes dormant in one.
  Or add equal parts molasses to stabilize and store for up to 3 years cool room temp.
  When adding molasses stir well this now becomes 2 liters or 2000ml stabilized Bacillus
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And I am being told this lacks additional needed strains and species compared to the following:

• "You are creating One form of Bacilius bacteria with the LAB.
  
  There are 7 different strains of 4 different species of Bacilius in P3."​
  
  
  
  

http://www.prolificplantprobiotic.com/
Product Claims to have:

• Bacillus Subtilis
  - Well known cattle feed ingredient
  - Spores are viable for decades; common soil inoculant: frees up nutrients from food sources
  - Symbiotic with roots as a colonizer; antagonistic to pathogens
  Bacillus Licheniformis
  - Found in soil and on bird feathers
  - Protease producer (especially breaks down feathers)
  - Biological “laundry detergent”
  - Adapts well to alkaline areas
  Bacillus Amyloliquefaciens
  - Source of the BamH1 restrictive enzyme (stifles virus and pathogens)
  - Source of Subtilisin, an organic “laundry detergent”
  - Causes starch hydrolysis of green plants
  - Produces Barnase, an antibiotic protein
  Bacillus Pumilis
  - Anti-fungal
  - Colonizes roots to prevent fungus formation
  - Highly stress resistant
  All are considered “rhizobacteria” for they breakdown atmospheric nitrogen into a compound easy to uptake by plants.
  Summary of P[SUP]3 [/SUP]Prolific Plant Probiotic™
  
  One dose (1 inch of pellets) contains:
  

  1. 600+ million CFUs of Bacillus microbes
  2. Micronutrient spectrum package usually depleted from soil
  3. Amino acids spectrum package critical for plant life
  4. Delivered on a carrier of plant roughage
  5. Contains seven strains from the above mentioned four Bacillus species

  
  
  
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Is there anyway to add these different missing strains, if needed and really missing? Won't I get a better healthier spectrum of beneficial bacteria by using this homemade LAB in composting which will introduce other strains of bacteria in which LAB will help influence the growth of other beneficial bacteria that could ultimately provide a soil web that would not need to have a product like P3 added?

Anyone here that has knowledge in this area to field this question?

My thinking is I make the basic EM1 (LAB) use it to apply to my composting this should encourage additional beneficial bacteria and strains to join the party going on in my compost\soil?

Beneficial Indigenous Microbes. Your local stuff is the best stuff. Anyone hawking microbes from some far away lab has his eye on your wallet. You can win contests with amendments you can source locally, regardless (almost) of that locality.

Rrog said:

Beneficial Indigenous Microbes. Your local stuff is the best stuff. Anyone hawking microbes from some far away lab has his eye on your wallet. You can win contests with amendments you can source locally, regardless (almost) of that locality.

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Rrog,

Thanks, I wish I could have some one on one time with you. My plan is to make my own EM1 well technically it would only be LAB (Lacto Acid Bacillus) using Rice and H20 sans chlorine\chloride then sit warm dark for 3 days take infected water and for each one part add 7 parts milk. Again set for a week, remove cheese on top feed to animals or place into compost. The serum that is left is Bacillus which I will active with equal parts molasses and then dilute that mixture 1 part to 20 parts h20 sans chlorine. That solution 1 to 20 can be used for stronger applications of LAB ie speptic. But for foliar spray or soil drench the 1 to 20 mixture is supposed to be further diluted 1 tablespoon to another gallon of non chorlinated h20.

Some companies claim (hyperbole IMO) of their large CFUs and propitiatory blend of certain strains of Bacillus and other hard working friendly bacteria. Example product call P3 out of Minnesota.

Questions...
1. Because I am do not have bacteria from Yeast (Saccharomyces cerevisiae) and bacteria found in soil (Phototrophic Bacteria) when creating LAB it would not have the same bacteria in it as EM1? Correct?

2. Can I can modify or enhance the LAB process to add these sources in when I am making my LAB serum so it is complete EM1?

3. Can I expect to exceed the CFUs and range of friendly bacteria strains and species by using LAB treated wheat bran to compost Bokashi style which will ferment kitchen waste without air preparing waste so in two weeks I can bury bury into soil outside which then NATIVE bacteria and soil organisms which will join the party and since the PARTY host is concentrated this should allow dominance of nothing but friendly bacteria joining in to break down waste in another two weeks quicker than composting that requires air and promote other friendly bacteria eating organisms to work the soil web too, so even more good bacteria then an EM1 product sold on the market?

4. When it comes to applying beneficial fungi is there a simple process like making LAB you recommend??

5. When using beneficial fungi and bacteria is there a process you recommend in applying them to ensure proper balance or will the Plants determine this?


Thanks,
DankSwag
Grow on My Friends Grow on!

Here's what I think. The task of decomposition is universal. Shit breaks down to elemental carbon everywhere. I don't need microbes from elsewhere. Ever.

EM1 can kiss my ass. They offend me as opportunists.

For beneficial Fungi that are at the top of the pyramid? A shovel of nice local soil from a pasture.

You will make crazy excellent soil and compost without any of that. Especially if you ROLS and additionally benefit from an established microbial infrastructure.

As human males we like to slice and dice. Competitive spirit, I guess.

Just to clarify- Dankswag, what you're doing is admirable. You're really trying to max the microbes. And that's cool. My ire is directed at opportunist companies that scare you into buying. They're everywhere.

I don't want you to think any of that was toward you.

Rrog,

Hey thanks, I appreciate that and on some level yes it's admirable truth be told my motives are selfish than not. Don't get me wrong I do want to be "a good steward" of the world we live in. With that being said, would I have went with chemical believing that was the only real option and that would provide the yields needed to produce high quality medicine. So my motive was whatever is best at doing this, but I do have qualifiers (values) in all I do that persuades me not to assume but do the research and confirm what really is best.

And the bottom line in all this is a little bit of knowledge based on empirical evidence is always the best foundation to begin with and build with.

So I can't say it enough THANKS!!!! not just to you but others here with a heart for what is best and whom have taken the time in trial error, researching better to reverse that order, but to provide as much empirical evidence from doing so. So having all that knowledge allows someone who too wants what is best consider more than just product. So when I put the pro's and cons using chems or organics and include just more then just production as my top priority but what is best. I thankfully and respectfully do appreciate everyone contributing for I've learned I can have the best of both worlds. Great yields, high quality, low cost and I am partnering with the built in design of another world so foreign to ours that waste nothing and utilizes everything.. we could learn ooh so much more....

Rrog said:

Here's what I think. The task of decomposition is universal. Shit breaks down to elemental carbon everywhere. I don't need microbes from elsewhere. Ever.

EM1 can kiss my ass. They offend me as opportunists.

For beneficial Fungi that are at the top of the pyramid? A shovel of nice local soil from a pasture.

You will make crazy excellent soil and compost without any of that. Especially if you ROLS and additionally benefit from an established microbial infrastructure.

As human males we like to slice and dice. Competitive spirit, I guess.

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Say just reading this again, I appreciate what your saying about ROLS, to which I need to learn more. Would this be acceptable practice for Rols and not counter productive, to kick start a patch in my ground with some added organic nutrients say from my Bokashi composting and perhaps a cup or two of steer manure compost to the mix to get things going good then throw my used flowering soil back into it and let the beasties do there thing? For you made reference that a shovel for soil from a pasture (cattle?, bunny?) has beneficial Fungi that are at the top of the pyramid.

https://www.rollitup.org/michigan-patients/583341-so-who-here-growing-true.html Lots of talk of this in my little thread here.

For the shovel full- I'd see if there's an undisturbed meadow around. Keep the Bokashi for your worm bin. You have a worm bin? Maybe one on order already?

I eat cultures that I make myself. Yogurt, Kefir. Looking forward to fermenting veggies. All using local microbes.

Rrog said:

I eat cultures that I make myself. Yogurt, Kefir. Looking forward to fermenting veggies. All using local microbes.

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I for see flatulence in your future

Rrog where did you go to school...you're a fuckin genius. Always have the best answer. I really have a man crush Lmao. #FHYROOT lol

hyroot said:

I for see flatulence in your future

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Actually not. Now if someone is moving from a poor diet (= poor microbes in your gut) to a healthy diet, there will be a changing of the guard with the microbes and that's where you get the gas.

I've been making these milk cultures for years. I make coffee and make the Kefir early in the AM... Yaaaaaawwwwwnnnnnn.....

Red Carpet- I lead a boring life and try and read and pester smart folks to tell me things. I'm just the middleman. But I appreciate your kind and funny words!

EDIT- I have to take this opportunity to once again profess that the exact same microbial benefits the plants see, you will see, your pets, etc. All creatures benefit from a natural diet devoid of chemicals and full of microbes.

Ask a guy who feeds his dog a RAW diet what he thinks of it. Guarantee he's been converted and will beg you to feed your dog raw. It's that profound.

I'd like your opinion on a mite infestation I had in my soil mix. I posted it here https://www.rollitup.org/organics/636057-recycled-organic-living-soil-rols-140.html

Rrog said:

Actually not. Now if someone is moving from a poor diet (= poor microbes in your gut) to a healthy diet, there will be a changing of the guard with the microbes and that's where you get the gas.

I've been making these milk cultures for years. I make coffee and make the Kefir early in the AM... Yaaaaaawwwwwnnnnnn.....

Red Carpet- I lead a boring life and try and read and pester smart folks to tell me things. I'm just the middleman. But I appreciate your kind and funny words!

EDIT- I have to take this opportunity to once again profess that the exact same microbial benefits the plants see, you will see, your pets, etc. All creatures benefit from a natural diet devoid of chemicals and full of microbes.

Ask a guy who feeds his dog a RAW diet what he thinks of it. Guarantee he's been converted and will beg you to feed your dog raw. It's that profound.

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Is it true cultures aren't good if you are lactose intolerant? That activia messed me up bad. I know a few people who are lactose intolerant and it messed them up too. It helped my brother and he has had typhlocolitis. I read in quite a few places that its bad for lactose allergies.

Well, the bacteria are Lactobacillus, so they're eating the Lactose, freeing up the proteins and fats for really easy digestion. Not sure about commercial yogurt, as they use short "brew times" which makes thin yogurt, but they add thickeners. So they may not culture the yogurt long enough is my point.

Well, since I'm adding the microbes to the milk, I'm not so bugged by not having the raw milk. These cultures do their thing on the store milk just fine.

Rrog said:

https://www.rollitup.org/michigan-patients/583341-so-who-here-growing-true.html Lots of talk of this in my little thread here.

For the shovel full- I'd see if there's an undisturbed meadow around. Keep the Bokashi for your worm bin. You have a worm bin? Maybe one on order already?

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I've tried a worm bin, they don't like my housing I provide them. Ran away on me, just another system I have to maintain and my PHOGS is based on little effort let the plant feed and water itself. This concept does not appear to be applicable to my worm factory worm bin I put to together only to see a mass exodus you would of thought I was the Pharao of something of Egypt the way they all bailed on me.

So my plan was to invade their natural habitat with the smaller organismic live in the earth and use those critters in my back yard to break down my Bokashi compost by covering it in the ground with 6 inches topsoil. I am told in less then four weeks it will be totally broken down and have a plethora of life in it. I plan to use it for top dressing and teas once my backyard soil residents whom seem to prefer Terra forma as is not in a plastic bin with holes in it. Anywise I am told this compost will be richer then traditional western aerated method that can take up to a full year to properly break down. I understand the worms can do it quicker too but I am hoping placing bokashi compost into ground will mean even more organisms can get involved then possible with the limited volume of soil in a compost bin that can only provide so much organisims to participate compared to a larger volume of square feet I have in my backyard to help break down the bokashi compost.

So as I compost with Bokashi, layering my kitchen scraps with my homemade LAB (lacto acid bacillus) sprayed on wheat bran I just picked up at the feed store (Also note if you don't want to take time to make your own Bokashi EM1 for composting RidX is the same thing for only $8 you get like 32 oz)

Anywise the idea here is since I suck at caring for worms, I am employing more microbeast and utilizing first Bacillus to ferment kitchen scraps. Once fermented I believe the organism in my soil can process a 5 gallon bucket of fermented food waste in a shorter order then a bin full of worms, at least that is what the science I am reading indicated. I would be curious though if I had a healthy worm bin which could process and break it down quicker. I've been told no contest! I will I could test for myself but since I can't keep a worm to bait a hook with I probably will never know unless someone else takes up the project. But I do know Bokashi will be traditional composting as western methods will not break down matter as quickly as if it were fermented first by Bacillus.

Anywise thank you again for your encouragement, assurance and support!

DankSwag...
Grow On my friends Grow On!